thanks for these lists.

I liked the list of reliable sites given by Forbes....

Their number 1 pick is CNN, followed closely by WaPo

I knew it!!! I knew it!!! I should have stayed away from all those other sites. I should have stayed with CNN

Seriously?

I used up my free articles from Forbes and couldn't read that one.

If that's the case, it's got to go pronto!

if you'd copy the address to another browser, you get past the limit-visit function

I think I made a mistake... it was not CNN, it was NYT

1. The New York Times

This is the most influential newspaper in the U.S. in my view. Its editorial page and some of its news coverage take a left-leaning, progressive view of the world. But the NYT also hews to ethical standards of reporting and the classic elements of journalism in America. That's what helps the NYT remain, arguably, the agenda-setting news organization in America. It is a leader in business, politics and culture coverage. *

But the NYT also hews to ethical standards of reporting and the classic elements of journalism in America.

Is this from an Onion article?

Thanks Gunter!

I used my iPad to read the article. I strongly disagree with several of the sources they mentioned, including CNN and NPR. I think they have some top notch talent and great interviews and often really good stuff but when I listen to both of them Im doing it to get a pretty far left spin on things......and it does affect their accuracy, certainly their objectively.

On climate change NPR tells us about a different planet than the real one we are living on.

That article HAD to go....thanks for tipping me off Gunter!

• Plenty of other good ones still left.

MM

I tried one of your fact checking sites and found no help

I was looking for confirmation that Continental Pipelines had paid a ransom of 5 million for the encryption codes to unlock the pipeline

When news sources contacted the Co. they would neither confirm nor deny

On a different note the govenor of Mich has filed a stop flow action against Enbridge to stop the flow of oil through 4.5 miles of under water pipeline, through the Great Lakes in Mich., that feeds refineries in Sarnia. Sarnia is our only source o fgas diesel, propane etc fuels

The action was supposed to be in effect May 12 2021. Now everybody knows even the citizens of Miich know this lady is very negative business. Why is a mystery nobody knows

However, I was able to google and find multiple sites with the same info. I assume when everybody agrees then high confidence this is true. Plus we had a mad rush to the fuel pumps yesterday. How long our diesel for crops will last is anybodies guess. Serious, much more than a temporary shut down and I would think nobody on the forum even knew about such action and since your ox isn't being gored a bit of "sorry my man but this isn't my battle" is the most we can expect.

So: Enbridge built a cement encasement around the pipeline which is not enough. So Enbridge ignores the lady and I assume it will go to court but a mich court which isn't so friendly to us

So you had a temporary shut down of fuel

We face a permanent shut down of fuel

Doesn't do much for Canada/USA relationships

Back to fact checking

My fact checking with loads of detail seemed easier than finding out if a 5 million ransom was paid

Thanks Wayne,

I think with breaking news, you won't be getting fact checker information.

Fact checking information is mainly helpful to something thats been out there for awhile and gives fact checkers enough time to conclusively gather substantive facts to verify its good or bad.

This is especially helpful with false narratives and fake news that is getting passed on to a large number of people and catches the eyes of fact checkers.

If somebody came out today with a story that had some made up facts in it,  all the fact checkers would probably not be commenting on it for awhile.  They don't look at every story that comes out. If the storyline is false but has lasting power, THEN it catches their attention. ........generally speaking.

The major news networks are supposed to do their own fact checking and most do already before they turn the news into a headline story. 

I remember reading this "Fact Checker"..   Forget which one.  Politifact,  or one of the "main streams".

Obama, while talking about global warming and it's costs, mentioned how he saw fish swimming down the streets in Miami...    Scarey Huh?

Turns out that when they have what they call a "King Tide",  Miami Beach, not Miami,  can actually get water in the streets and fish can show up.  But this is a seasonal event that pre-dates the "Climate Crisis" scare by at least a few centuries.

The "Fact Checker" rated Obama's statement "partially true".  

Decided to look it up.  Politifact rated it "Half True".  Maybe I 'm biased, but looks to me like unmitigated BS.

PolitiFact Florida: Do fish swim in the streets of Miami at high tide, as Barack Obama said? (tampabay.com)

Another breaking news story

From European sources I read this

Wall St has been faced with margin calls for last two days

Fed quietly providing emergency loans

My guess:   True fact

I suppose some time in the future when it is old news and of no value we can find out what the true state of the market might be

Thanks Tim,

Great example.

On many things related to climate change or climate science, all fact checkers have a very high likelihood of getting some things wrong. 

This is because the manufactured reality is now accepted by society as the reality nad has become their reality too. 

I have shown a dozen times here how climate science was hijacked, climate history was rewritten and now we are being fed big exaggerations of what is really happening twisted to turn the current climate optimum into a climate crisis.............thanks to computer simulations of the atmosphere going out 100 years that have been wrong for over 3 decades but are programmed by biased scientists with the right SUBJECTIVE mathematical equations to get the output being fed to us........and sold as being high confidence/skillful to scare us so that we will all sign up for the "save the planet" ideology which will require all the political and energy/economic changes......that will ironically, do zero for the climate but transport the countries who are on board into the realm of socialism, including global socialism, which is what the climate accord is all about.

Most people don't believe that, many because they think thats absurd that such a thing  could happen in today's world. It's unthinkable that the entire world got brainwashed into believing in a fake climate crisis. 

That's a big part of how they got away with it.............and it took 30+ years of pounding the bs apocalyptic warnings into our heads before the lie................became the perceived truth.

https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

(Please note that recently, they removed the title and date of this article above because they are trying to censor information that proves the scam going back this far)

Here was the original title date(1989)that I last showed in February:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67004/

And it worked. They won. Society is totally changing based on the assumption that CO2 is pollution, when in every single field of science.....biology, agronomy, zoology, climate............it's considered as being a beneficial gas. ....on this planet that's not only NOT dying.............it's massively greening up! Here was one of my most recent examples using authentic data/facts.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69258/#69259

"metmike: Why isn't this paper, based on 250........let me repeat that number 250 published articles using the best technology known to science............getting much news coverage?

Because they don't want you to know this."

I've provided 100+ other examples and explanations here(but it doesn't matter because the manufactured reality is now THE reality for our world......yes, it really did happen right under our noses.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27864/

In 50 years, I won't be around but it will be interesting to see  how history refers to this current period of stealing peoples intelligence and replacing it with massive propaganda on a global scale with regards to climate change.

In most of history,  humans progress with time and become more enlightened in every field/realm. 

There have been a few exceptions but this is the biggest one by far. It really can't be overstated what has happened here.

As an atmospheric scientist trying to educate people this has bugged the crap out of me that they have obliterated my field of expertise and sabotaged my efforts to help people in this realm.

But I can't do anything about it and recently, have taken more of an acceptance that they did it(while I continue to prove they did and educate people with the truth) and sort of a fascination, from an historical view that they were able to accomplish this.

The hundreds of blatant errors, bias and obvious fake facts sure make it easy as heck to show them doing it by using 100% authentic science and evidence.

But to fact check them, you have to be an atmospheric scientist that knows MORE than the sources mentioned in the first post. ALL those sources believe in the manufactured reality/fake climate crisis because all the information they access to do fact checks will reflect what the gatekeepers controlling this field are allowing.  This is exactly how and why they got away with it.

Again, sounds totally crazy but I show all the proof at the last link......and I am as anti conspiracy theory as it gets and authentic science based as it gets. 

There are 1,000 other things in this world to be grateful for....so let them have their fake climate crisis and I am good with helping poor people and poor countries.

I’m also an environmentalist but sadly, the so called green new deal actually wrecks the environment. 

Ironically, the thing that is actually greening up the planet in a massive way, CO2 is what they oppose the most.

If it was based on truth and authentic science, it would be called the ANTI green new deal!

https://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/politifact-florida-do-fish-swim-in-the-streets-of-miami-at-high-tide-as/2256720/

"As the science around climate change is more accepted, as people start realizing that even today you can put a price on the damage that climate change is doing - you go down to Miami and when it's flooding at high tide on a sunny day, fish are swimming through the middle of the streets, you know, that - there's a cost to that," President Barack Obama said in Paris."

Tim, 

I almost missed the opportunity to be THE  fact checker for that statement from Obama.

Sea levels are increasing at just over 1 inch per decade. The rate is also accelerating a bit.

Is that a crisis?  Especially for the planet?

Obama has been saying that it is, especially for people and property along the coasts.

We know his true feelings about this issue too because of his actions:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63083/#63108

So after Obama retired with his tens of millions in wealth and had a chance to put his money where his climate crisis mouth was.................this is what he did with the money:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/62282/#62285

https://www.homesandgardens.com/news/president-obama-new-house-marthas-vineyard

Obama house: tour Barack and Michelle's new Martha's Vineyard home

By Jennifer Ebert2 days ago

"Former President Barack Obama and his family have completed the purchase of a $11.75 million waterfront house situated on nearly 30 acres on Martha's Vineyard – an affluent island located south of Cape Cod in Massachusetts. And it is stunning."

Mighty fine place for the fake climate crisis elites to live!!!

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JOHN kERRY            

                By metmike - Feb. 3, 2021, 9:02 p.m.            

Climate Collision

‘The science is real’: Coastal experts hope Biden will partner to combat sea level rise

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/01/18/coastal-experts-hope-biden-partner-combat-sea-level-rise/6559610002/

Yep. It's so real and threatening, that BIden's new climate czar just bought him a $12,000,000 house right on the water.....not that far from Obama's place. 

https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2017/03/09/john-kerry-buys-historic-marthas-vineyard-property

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/28/2015-updated-noaa-tide-gauge-data-shows-no-coastal-sea-level-rise-acceleration/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/06/the-clever-ruse-of-rising-sea-levels/

"Here is the forecast sea level rise over the next century for the remaining seven cities on the map:'"

 Atlantic City, New Jersey – 16 inches

Port Isabel, Texas – 15.4 inches

St. Petersburg, Florida – 10.7 inches

Fernandina Beach, Florida – 8.3 inches

Mumbai/Bombay, India – 3.12 inches

Sydney, Australia – 2.7 inches

Slipshavn, Denmark – 3.6 inches.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Global Warming and Tidal Rise in the Upper Keys -

http://www.keyshistory.org/Global_Warming.html

So the ocean at Key West, FL has been rising at less than an inch/decade.

While we're fact checking Obama and Kerry on their fake climate crisis from rising sea levels science fiction, we might as well make it a 3-some and add their pal, socialist Bernie....who actually has 3 houses!

Bernie Sanders fake climate scare: Major cities NOT going under water in 8 to 9 years. We do not have XX years to save the (greening up) planet from the climate optimum(fake climate crisis). January 2020.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/46122/

Sanders Touts $16 Trillion Climate Plan: Anti Science Bernie = the complete opposite of the truth! August 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/37437/

3 Houses of Bernie Sanders: What You Need to Know

https://propy.com/blog/bernie-sanders-real-estate/

But the thing is, Politifact didn't "get it wrong" as you stated above. They had facts and relevent opinions/observations in the article, all of it pointing to the conclusion that Obama was fulluvit.   But they rated it "half true".  That goes beyond unconsious bias and heads straight to intent.

And the vast majority of their target audience will not take the time to read the entire article.  they'll see Obama says "Fish in the Streets-Half True" and walk away KNOWING there was some credibility to Obama's statement. I've seen   debates that go like "Check Politifact,  98% of Obama's statements are at least Half True as opposed to Trump who got a 98% rating of pants on fire lie".

And I suggest organizations like Politifact count on that.  And unless you want to spend the days/weeks/months required to audit Politifact,  you have no answer.  And I'll gaurantee if you present the above as an example,   the response will be "OK, so they got one wrong, So what".  I know this,  because I've seen it. Many Times.

And if/when confronted,  Politifact can say "We presented all the facts,  just read the article".

This is known as following the letter of the law, but not the intent, a tactic popularized by the Clintons

This is true Tim.

We are living in a world of manufactured realities. 

Intentionally manufactured to manipulate people and their opinions. Convince them to jump on board with that sides superior ideology.

 One of the ideal realms to do this, was with climate science.

Who could possibly be against "saving the planet?"

Only a bunch of isolated/outlier, delusional, money grubbing, big oil capitalists that don't care about the earth and are making up things to sabotage the efforts of the wonderful, altruistic people that only care about life and this planet.......... effectively labelled as deniers. 

Yep, that's me.(Never mind my 40+ years of actually practicing environmentalism and being an atmospheric scientist for 39 years) and committed to educating people, making the world a better place and telling the truth using authentic facts. 

 You can basically say anything you want, especially about the climate in 50+ years. Or about recent extreme weather events. People are not atmospheric scientists with reams of weather/climate data on their computers and when the gatekeepers push the message/agenda and censor anything that contradicts it, especially authentic, powerful evidence that completely contradicts it(that people would have dig deep for-and know what to look for) its been the perfect environment to impose a manufactured fake climate crisis reality with impunity.

Repeating it constantly for 35 years, turned the REAL big lie into the truth.

The manufactured reality, has become the reality in people minds around the world. 

This is the biggest example of it happening but the same game plan is used in many other realms and by both sides.