There has been alot of confusion related to this here, especially thanks to the tons of DISinformation being passed around on the internet. Some of it by outlying sources using cherry picked, anomalous data. In some cases, like the example that got this thread started, the sources are outright medical quacks with wild unsubstantiated speculative theories that make no medical sense.
The biggest problem is that there really are medical quacks out there with crazy ideas. Always has been, always will be. But in this age of the internet, they can use their medical (mis)understanding, along with a vast knowledge of anatomy or medical terms to sound totally convincing to others with no medical background who basically..........just trust what these really smart sounding doctors are saying.
A huge clue to their fraudulence is when 99% of the medical community and important medical organizations shun them and their anti science/medical views.
Then, they claim that they are being censored because its a huge cover up by everybody else and only they know about it.
This sounds extremely appealing to many folks who don't trust the governements or MSM and they buy into it, thinking they've discovered a censored whistle blower with secret information that they can only get from this or similar sources.
In most cases, the medical liturature, data, science and evidence does not support these extreme outliers and that's the REAL reason they were censored by the authentic medical community.
There will be numerous pages in this thread that will start with the basics of blood clots on the next several pages.
I will add to it over the next day until we are finished.
This was the previous post that Gunter made which initiated this new thread.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73846/#73900
It's a wonderful world, despite nafarious sources trying to steal our intelligence with disinformation. Let's get ready to learn.......shall we!!
Everyone has heard of blot clots and likely knows some basic things but I'll bet that some of this stuff coming up will shock you and you will, hopefully gain a brand new understanding from it.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/infographic-impact.html
900,000/year, equates to 17,308 blood clots/week in this country and 100,000/year, 1,923 people a week die from those blood clots in this country..........a stat that was calculated before COVID or the COVID vaccine existed.
So what are the chances that out of those 17,308 blood clots/week in 2021, that some of them were vaccinated in the previous 2 weeks?
The majority of blood clots happen to people ages 65+ but 34% happen to people younger.
In that older age group, around 80% have been vaccinated.
So for somebody getting fully vaccinated, we can look at the 2 weeks after the first shot, then the 2 weeks after the 2nd shot and call that a 4 week period after getting the 2 shots that we would look at to see if there were any side affects.
During that time frame in our country, it's expected that without the COVID shots, 4 X 17,308 = 69,232 people will have blood clots. 7,692 people will die from blood clots in this country during that 4 week period.
There have been 163 million people fully vaccinated in 8 months, so that means 20,375,000 every month on average(higher rates early on).
Out of the 20.3 million vaccinated each month, how many do you think of the 69,232 blood clots happening to people in this country should have occurred within a month to people that had COVID vaccinations?
NOT BECAUSE OF the COVID vaccine but the number that would be expected to happen to people that DID NOT get vaccinated?
I get 4,272 people that were COVID vaccinated would be expected to have a blot clot within a month......... even if they were not vaccinated.
Some disinformation sites, report cases of people having a blood clot within 2 weeks after getting vaccinated and blame it on the vaccination. There is no evidence of a big increase in blood clots above what the rate of expected blood clots is.
"Despite overwhelming evidence that the benefits of the COVID-19 vaccine outweigh the risks, and that the chances of dying from the coronavirus far exceed those of having an adverse reaction to the shot, reports of rare, (fewer than one in a million) post-vaccine blood clots may have you reconsidering vaccination.
Before you reconsider, however, you should know that blood clots in the legs (deep vein thrombosis or DVT) or in the lungs (pulmonary embolus or PE), are extremely common and rarely related to the vaccine, according to Maria T. DeSancho, MD, Professor of Clinical Medicine and Clinical Director of Benign Hematology.
Although it is hard to quantify exactly how many people in the United States experience such blood clots, as many as 900,000--1 to 2 per 1,000--could be affected annually, Dr. DeSancho says. “Estimates suggest that 60,000-100,000 Americans die of DVT or PE each year,” she says.
Yet, Dr. DeSancho stresses that your risk of developing a vaccine-related blood clot is no greater than the general population’s overall blood clot risk. “The risk of getting a blood clot either venous or arterial from the COVID-19 vaccines is very minimal compared to the risk in the general population,” she says. Out of 34 million recipients of the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine, there were only 169 possible cases of blood clots in the brain, and 53 possible cases of abdominal blood clots; whereas, among the more than 7 million recipients of the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen vaccine, there were just six possible cases of blood clots in the brain, she explains. “The risk of complication is extremely low,” she says."
Much more coming up on Friday, including an explanation of exactly what a blood clot is and how they hurt/kills us.....how long they last...........how to treat them and what the REAL risk is for getting a blood clot (its not the COVID vaccine).
I'm working from my iPad away from home today and need the computer to post the rest of the info here so will get back to it on Saturday.
Sorry for the delay. I'm getting side tracked by the need to respond to multiple other threads here with an ongoing conversation that needs a prompt response as opposed to this one which is just general, educational information for everybody.
So let's first acknowledge the reality that getting vaccinated with the AstraZeneca's vaccine does appear to pose a small risk of a blood clot in some high risk people. Mostly those with low platelet levels. These would be seen in your blood work that everybody should have with their annual check up. There are supplements, like iron that can be taken to boost your low platelet count as well as other options that we can discuss if other want. My Dad has had very low platelets and low hemoglobin, low red blood cells for the past 50 years. He turns 96 next month and he's never had the flu in his life and never gets sick.......... so often, this would be associated with anemia or possibly other medical issues but sometimes, it has no affect on your health.
News 07/04/2021
EMA confirms overall benefit-risk remains positive
EMA’s safety committee (PRAC) has concluded today that unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects of Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca)
"One plausible explanation for the combination of blood clots and low blood platelets is an immune response, leading to a condition similar to one seen sometimes in patients treated with heparin (heparin induced thrombocytopenia, HIT). The PRAC has requested new studies and amendments to ongoing ones to provide more information and will take any further actions necessary."
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005
metmike: Keep in mind that this is only with regards to blood clots. There are numerous other things that kill people from COVID that are not at play with the vaccine. So the rate of death from COVID is at least 1,000 time greater than from the vaccine. And with regards to protection..........we have the results after 2 billion shots and they are conclusive that the vaccine greatly increases protection from severe disease and death compared to no vaccination.
I actually jumped ahead here on these stats and want to go back to explain the actual science of blot clots shortly and why the Canadian doctors speculative blood clot theory is silly.
https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/07/blood-clotting-covid19.php
"Based on current information available about VITT, there is no evidence that blood clotting could occur more than four weeks after getting vaccinated. However, blood clotting is possible months after having COVID-19 for patients who have had long hospitalizations, had surgery, are immobilized, or have a history of underlying health conditions such as obesity, diabetes, or blood clots. This is variable based on the patient and length of illness."
National Center for Immunization & Respiratory Diseases Update: Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia
syndrome (TTS) following COVID-19 vaccinations
Tom Shimabukuro, MD, MPH, MBA
CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force
Vaccine Safety Team
The findings and conclusions in this report are those of the authors
and do not necessarily represent the official position of the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) or the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA)
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-05-12/07-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf
Summary
1. TTS is a rare, clinically serious and potentially life-threatening condition; current evidence
suggests a plausible causal association with the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine
2. Symptom onset appears to occur from several days after vaccination to up to 2 weeks,
with most cases having symptom onset around 1–2 weeks after vaccination
3. Most cases are in women, with most aged 18-49 years old
4. The clinical features of TTS following Janssen COVID-19 vaccination appear similar to what
is being observed following AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccination in Europe
5. It is important to recognize TTS early and initiate appropriate treatment
‒ Do not treat cases of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia with heparin unless heparin-PF4
ELISA HIT antibody testing is negative
6. TTS does not appear to be associated with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines
7. The U.S. vaccine safety monitoring system is able to rapidly detect rare adverse events
following vaccination and quickly assess safety signals
Gunter,
Please respond to this post/question ASAP:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73846/#74010
Also, you still have not responded to joj on his question and I've repeated it 3 times because other readers here, including me would like the answer:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73957/#73965
https://www.genengnews.com/news/study-uncovers-how-some-covid-19-vaccines-cause-blood-clots/
metmike: I have alot more on what actually causes blood clots, how long they last as well as treatments and so on coming up.
However, at this point, we know several things with high confidence regarding the COVID vaccine based on the previous links that represent the authentic science.
1. There is a very tiny risk of getting a blood clot after the COVID vaccine.
2. This appears to be the main serious health risk for the vaccine.
3. That risk is mainly for 2 weeks after the jab. There is ZERO evidence of the risk of a blood clot more thanr a month after being vaccinated and absolutely no legit medical reason for there to be(more on that shortly)
4. Besides no reports of it......there is also no medical reason to suspect that there would be any other side effects beyond a month of the vaccination.
5. The vaccine has zero affects on DNA and is not gene therapy.
6. Getting COVID causes a 10 times higher risk for a blood clot compared to getting the vaccine.
7. The larger the blood clot, the higher the risk because blocking blood flow is how they do most of their damage by preventing oxygen and nutrients from getting to part of your body.
8. Blood clots can form anywhere in the body and not do damage, then move and result in catastrophic damage. When the end point is the brain, massive tissue loss can occur within minutes because they block the blood from freely flowing to tissue. This is one kind of stroke.
9. The speculative microscopic blood clots that last 2 to 3 years are bullsheet. The bigger the clot, the longer it takes to dissolve, with the biggest ones taking several months. Microscopic blood clots would dissolve extremely fast and not block the flow of blood. There is ZERO evidence of any blood clotting in anybody after a month from the COVID vaccine and no legit medical rational for it.
10. There are over a dozen additional severe problems that kill people infected with COVID that do not affect people vaccinated at all. Getting vaccinated, greatly reduces the chance of a person having severe COVID and dying. We have over 2 billion stabs with much comprehensive data and hundreds of studies.
11. There is still uncertainty and we are learning more all the time.
12. Effectiveness of the vaccination wanes with time and additional booster shots are needed to maximize the benefits.
OK, some of that was not exactly about blood clots but there is more to come. Stay tuned.