You are right mm, I did enjoy reading about that a great deal!

It's as if some people think the vaccine has promised  immortality for several weeks after the shot and nobody is supposed to die of anything during that period (-:

Same principle at play with the blood clots.

900,000 people have blood clots/year in this country unrelated to the COVID vaxx.

Getting the COVID vaxx doesn't stop all blood clots that would have happened no matter what.......which is the reason for most of them.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73906/#73908

A very soothing discussion, indeed.

There are no vaxx deaths…. all the deaths after vaccination would have happened anyway… all caused by natural causes.

He even quoted that 4% of people over 65 die each year.I wonder, how he would explain how, in Europe, a retirement home lost half their residents a few days after them all being vaxxed.   No problem… this was just an unfortunate abnormality.

There you have it… when old folks die after being vaxxed… they die of natural causes, not because of the vaxx.

On the other hand…. in 2020, when old folks died in a retirement home, nobody died of natural causes… they all were killed by the virus.

One thing about all these explanations…. their approach to this subject is consistent… deceptive, but consistent.

A more realistic explanation of comorbidity would have been like this..

Old folks, with pre-existing conditions and weakened bodies cannot survive the virus, like young people would.

Old folks, with pre-existing conditions and weakened bodies cannot survive the side effects of the vaxx, like young people would

This means… the virus kills older folks, and the vaxx kills older folks

"Old folks, with pre-existing conditions and weakened bodies cannot survive the side effects of the vaxx, like young people would"

One problem with that Gunter. After all these months, you still haven't identified what  these killer side affects from the vaccination are?

I showed you information about blood clots..........and proved that your quack doctor was spouting nonsense about invisible microscopic blood clots that would kill people in 2 to 3 years from an imaginary dynamic. 

You still haven't provided any credible data or a credible source that can point to a condition killing large numbers of people after getting vaccinated.

You just keep going to dis/mis information sites, posting their stuff here...........getting it busted, then going back there for your next dose of brainwash. 

I have not identified the serious side effects of the vaxx???

You have to be kidding.. I have identified them more than once… heart attacks, strokes, 1200 cases of heart inflammation, paralysis., etc… not to mention 10k people killed within 3 days of being vaccinated, as reported by VAERS.

And the side effects of strokes were so frequent and severe that several countries suspended the vaxx for significant periods of times.

None of these have been “busted”.

Gunter,

No kidding. This is getting old.

Not Gunter science or INFOWARS science or anti COVID vaxx site  science or cherry picked, anomalous, outlier science and data...instead what we need here is something that an independent (not political)objective, scientist will find credible please. I’m actually pretty easy to please.

No extreme right, wildly speculative, unsubstantiated conspiracy theory interpretations....if you want it to count or to be taken seriously by the scientist here.

Just credible sources.

No twisted, misleading, biased  interpretations 

Just a credible source. 

I’m still waiting.

Maybe I overlooked one and you would like to remind me of who that was.

You don’t get to decide and tell us the source is credible because YOU believe it.

Is this important?

If you realize that thousands of people are dying because of COVID vaxx  disinformation, then you can appreciate that.

You want to post without being censored?

That means  being fact checked for accuracy and credibility.

Gunter, you and millions of others, some are my friends are being used, having your intelligence stolen for agenda that targets YOU.

I am trying to do you a favor.... if  you would just break your mind free from the brainwash and propaganda.

The vaccine works and is safe. Some people are finally coming around to that as COVID Numbers sore higher and they see mostly unvaccinated getting the sickest and dying.

The FDA approved the vaccine so the experimental vaccine narrative is crumbling,, like all the other COVID vass false  narratives.   with over 2 billion shots in arms.

Ok, let me put it this way:

ALL MEDICINE HAS A RISK!

Even the annual flu shot has a risk of adverse reaction. But the way you are making it sound Gunter is that the COVID Vax is DESIGNED to kill people. If that was the case, those of us who are immuno-compromised (LIKE I AM) and ALL elderly should be dead, right? Except, I know that my 85 year old grandmother got vaccinated and she is still walking and talking no problem.

Again: ALL MEDICINE CARRIES AN AMOUNT OF RISK

I have Crohn's disease, something I have mentioned here before. I just started a new biologic drug called Stelara. If you read the possible side effects for this drug, there is a rare but possible side effect called "Posterior Reversible Encephalopathy Syndrome." Put bluntly, a condition wherein parts of the brain are affected by swelling. Can doctor's predict which patients will have this reaction (assuming this reaction has never occurred before)? No, they can't, but that's why pretty much every drug will come with a note saying that your doctor is prescribing the medication because the possible benefits outweigh the possible side-effects.

This all being said, I'm getting a bit sick of logging into this forum most days and just seeing new threads about how the vax is some world government scheme to kill a select few in absolutely horrific ways. I came to this forum to discuss the climate change scare, and admittedly even that is not the primary topic of the forum.

I'm tired of having my fear, anxiety and stress levels ramped up everyday by every report saying one thing or another. I saw this forum as a haven to get away from the insanity that is today's media.

Quite frankly I'm done. Seriously. Maybe I will pop back on once in a great while when I feel I've found something climate related to discuss with Mike. Otherwise I'm done watching the NTR section fill up with daily battles over the COVID vaccine.

Mike, you have my email address.

Thanks MM,

This gives me something to ponder. Thanks so much for your honesty based on a reality that is NOT trivial. More of that would help us all to be better communicators.

I enjoy our conversations about the fake climate crisis and other topics about as much as I do with Wxfollower on weather trades.........which is at the top.

This vaccine misinformation is without question the biggest problem facing our country right now. ..........by a astronomically wide margin over the next most important thing because its actually killing many thousands of people.

This creates a monumental dilemma for me because of my commitment to NOT censor.........unless its a personal attack or features unacceptable language. 

However, there is no question that Gunter has a very serious problem with his neurotic/obsessive posting of COVID rubbish that is acting exactly like a massive, forum dominating troll to disrupt a forum. 

I know Gunter and don't think that he would do this intentionally but his sources have taken over his brain. Seriously, it's an actual, very effective brainwash if there ever was one. And Gunter is a very smart man. 

I have received complaints from 5 people on the contact moderator choice about his posting this stuff. 

The even more interesting aspect of this, is that the majority of active posters here actually agree with some to all of his positions.

The exact reason is that they all go to the same or similar sites to get all their news. Some are more extreme than others.  I've watched FOX for 20 years. They are now extreme and very angry.  This tone has transformed some of our posters here because they are the targets of the brainwashing. 

By definition, if you are brainwashed..............YOU DON'T KNOW IT, you just think that you..........are right about those things and people that disagree...............are wrong.

As moderator, I have to consider the feelings of all posters here. I won't take a survey because I already know that any survey will just measure how extremely right the posters are. 

But this is NOT an echo chamber.............in fact, I encourage opinions that disagree with me and like those the most. 

But I will need to spend more time thinking about the negative impact that Gunters neurotic, counter productive posting on COVID is having on others.

If it was one or 2 people complaining.......that would be one thing but its EVERYBODY that is not far right having a problem with this nonsense.  This is exactly what I'm trying to avoid..............an echo chamber of people from the far right. 

A key element in this is that I've busted the exact same arguments of Gunter's some from bring up the exact same topics numerous times(after he lost the authentic science discussion) and some with new variations, usually dictated by the sources that he reads.

Hmmmmm. Let me think about this more.

I could be letting a personal objective(exposing Gunters fraudulent sources) mess the forum up. 

I will make it easy for you all.   I quit.

I will write a post explaining my views later, when I have time

Your choice Gunter, I did not ask for you to do this and in fact made it possible for you to say whatever you wanted.  Maybe this was a big mistake for me as moderator.

Sad to see these nefarious extreme sources taking a toll on you like this but if there is something that I can do to help you, please let me know.

The fact is, other people have a right to their opinions and that includes an honest opinion about the amount of REAL stress your neurotic obsessing over something that clear thinking people know with certainty is killing thousands of Americans because of what you constantly troll us over.

This is being either inconsiderate of them and the forum, which the Gunter that we use to know would never do or these sources have truly captured your brain so you are no longer able to appreciate anything except what you are convinced you must prove yourself right about......which is really just proving the very bad sources right. 

I apologize to everybody for letting my good friendship with Gunter, possibly affect my better judgment and giving him preferential treatment the past couple of months.  I see now, in sadness that even that was not enough for him.

Even without placing any restrictions on Gunter, he has decided  himself to quit because he can't/won't control himself for many other posters and readers here.

Gunter, 

You are always welcome here.

I would suggest NOT quitting because you don't like it that  people are getting upset with behavior that is clearly BAD behavior.  Instead, why don't  YOU adjust the bad behavior on your own to help become a better person that respects other peoples feelings more and learn from it. 

I would never say that to vandenplas or mojo because that message would not compute in their brains.

But I know you Gunter. And it should make sense to you because you are a good person that DOES care about other people. 

A few days ago, I said I would make one final comment about this issue, and you wrote “Even without placing any restrictions on Gunter, he has decided  himself to quit because he can't/won't control himself”

Wrong…. just the opposite… I can control myself very well… otherwise I would have posted several new things I have learned since my last post.

However, it’s best to give my explanations in a separate post, since I want to address all the posts I have made on this subject.

                summarizing my views about the mRNA jab            

                            Started by GunterK - Aug. 28, 2021, 3:07 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/74338/