I've been discussing the use of Ivermectin this past month. Actually this is part of studying COVID, treatments and the vaccines since early 2020. I'm just sharing what I know and not pretending to be a substitute for your doctor.
On the last post, I've basically summarized what I consider the best advice in just one post.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/74636/#75439
1. The bottom line is that EVERYBODY except young children should be getting vaccinated. This provides the greatest protection by far. Protection wanes with time. After 8 months, you should get a booster shot if you got the Pfizer shot.
2. If you do get COVID and got vaccinated.........pat yourself on the back because your immune system is armed to fight COVID and your chances of surviving are 10 times greater than somebody that didn't get vaccinated. If you want to increase your chances of surviving even more, use this potential early treatment protocol at this link. It lists Ivermectin(that can be used-only with the proper understanding/caution that I explained above) but doesn't necessarily HAVE TO include Ivermectin. You should absolutely try to get monoclonal antibodies for instance but taking both just increases your chances even more. You need a hospital for this infusion and it really works. Some places will not give it to young healthy people though.
3. If you get COVID and did not get vaccinated............kick yourself in the ass.......because your immune system is NOT armed to fight COVID. But you should still go for the best outcome with your sub optimal, unprepared immune system. Use the same treatments doing the same things above....even though the success rate will definitely be lower than if you were vaccinated too.
4. That list at the link above, for most people is best applied with the assistance of somebody knowledgeable in medicine or with you having a good understanding yourself in using some of the supplements. Some of the treatments DO require a hospital or doctor(like the steroids or antibiotics). COVID needs to be treated differently in the different stages and sometimes for different people.
Steroids early, for instance will suppress your immune system at exactly the WORST TIME, when you need it to be maximized. Steroids late, when you are having extreme cytokine storms from an immune system out of control.........can save your life. If you are in that late stage, your doctor in the hospital will be making all those decisions, so its mainly in the early part of the disease........ pre hospital setting that most people will have control over their medical treatments but STILL SHOULD CONSULT WITH THEIR DOCTORS.
Most people with COVID DO NOT take full advantage of available treatments early on in the disease when your chances are greatest to beat it. It's like putting out a small fire before it turns into a blazing inferno.
If you can weaken it and assist your immune system with drugs/supplements before it has a chance to spread profusely into your lungs..........your body wins the battle!
If it goes unchecked and spreads to your lungs and turns into a raging inferno......there is no cure. The best medical care can't stop it at that point. It mainly the ICU just trying to keep you alive long enough for your immune system to hopefully beat it........ but sometimes, your over active immune system fighting the COVID ends up killing you with cytokine storms and inflammation (when steroids are needed)
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/573897-more-hospitals-forced-to-ration-care-amid-delta-surge
Coronavirus patients are flooding and straining hospitals across the U.S., particularly in Western states, where administrators are put in positions of needing to ration care as their facilities are pushed to their breaking points by the delta variant.
Alaska this past week joined Idaho in adopting statewide crisis standards of care that provide guidance to health care providers making difficult decisions on how to allocate limited resources. Several hospitals in Montana have either activated crisis standards of care or are considering it as the state is pummeled by COVID-19.
Under the guidelines, providers can prioritize treating patients based on their chances of recovery, impacting anyone seeking emergency care, not just those with COVID-19.
“Ultimately it's a decision about, at that point in time, who we feel is most likely to benefit from what may be a limited resource,” said Michael Bernstein, regional chief medical officer in Alaska for the health care company Providence.
Typically, crisis standards of care involve a scoring system to determine the patient’s survivability, sometimes including their estimated “life years” and how well their organs are working. Such guidelines do not call for factoring in vaccination status, much like emergency rooms don’t prioritize certain car crash victims based on whether a driver was drinking.
Still, the vast majority of COVID-19 patients overwhelming hospitals are unvaccinated, months after the vaccine became widely available to U.S. adults.
As of Friday, the ICUs in Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky and Texas all exceeded 90 percent capacity. The ICUs in Alaska and Montana, meanwhile, were 84 percent and 77 percent full, respectively, according to federal data.
With Alaska seeing its highest rate of COVID-19 hospitalizations since the pandemic started, the Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage decided to start crisis standards of care earlier this month so doctors wouldn't be forced to make determinations about patients themselves.
“That also ensures that it is equitable [and follows] principles of justice, fairness because we all want to do the right thing,” Bernstein said. “And those types of choices can cause moral pain for health care providers.”
While emergency rooms commonly require physicians to triage and treat patients with the most urgent needs first, the practice is not common when making decisions about “more critical” treatments.
The medical center, particularly the intensive care units, have been “very full,” which Bernstein said is “largely because many COVID patients will progress to needing that level of care.”
At Providence Alaska Medical Center, the surge of COVID-19 patients make up about 24 percent of inpatients, with about 87 to 90 percent of all patients being unvaccinated.
Nationwide, a quarter of the eligible population, or about 70 million people, has not gotten any dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. Health officials have repeatedly referred to recent outbreaks as “a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” which President Biden reiterated in a speech on Friday.
“In a country as large as ours, that 25 percent minority can cause an awful lot of damage,” Biden said. “And they are causing a lot of damage.”
Idaho is another state where hospitals are enduring high stress, with officials instituting crisis standards of care statewide earlier this month. This past week, there was a record number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, said Toni Lawson, vice president for government relations at the Idaho Hospital Association.
“It's just across the board pretty serious, but crisis standards of care has really allowed our hospitals the flexibility to provide care to as many patients as possible,” she said.
Hospitals are participating in statewide calls to organize where patients go, as noncritical patients are sometimes transferred to smaller hospitals to make room in larger hospitals for severe cases.
“Right now, when you go to the hospital, you may not end up” receiving care at the same facility, Lawson said. “You may need to be transferred to another hospital because of capacity issues.”
In several hospitals, providers are adding beds to deal with the surge in new patients.
Gabe Kelen, director of the Johns Hopkins Office of Critical Event Preparedness and Response, said health care providers can consider other options like increasing the number of patients each nurse manages, shutting down services such as elective surgeries and assessing the risk of releasing bed occupants to make room for other patients.
But delaying care by months for some patients, for example those with cancer, could jeopardize their health.
“The vaccine deniers obviously in many of our minds are like really, really, really hurting like the whole system, whereas someone who has a heart attack is only attacking their own heart — they're not attacking everybody
Coronavirus patients are flooding and straining hospitals across the U.S., particularly in Western states, where administrators are put in positions of needing to ration care as their facilities are pushed to their breaking points by the delta variant.
Alaska this past week joined Idaho in adopting statewide crisis standards of care that provide guidance to health care providers making difficult decisions on how to allocate limited resources. Several hospitals in Montana have either activated crisis standards of care or are considering it as the state is pummeled by COVID-19.
Under the guidelines, providers can prioritize treating patients based on their chances of recovery, impacting anyone seeking emergency care, not just those with COVID-19.
“Ultimately it's a decision about, at that point in time, who we feel is most likely to benefit from what may be a limited resource,” said Michael Bernstein, regional chief medical officer in Alaska for the health care company Providence.
Typically, crisis standards of care involve a scoring system to determine the patient’s survivability, sometimes including their estimated “life years” and how well their organs are working. Such guidelines do not call for factoring in vaccination status, much like emergency rooms don’t prioritize certain car crash victims based on whether a driver was drinking.
Still, the vast majority of COVID-19 patients overwhelming hospitals are unvaccinated, months after the vaccine became widely available to U.S. adults.
As of Friday, the ICUs in Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kentucky and Texas all exceeded 90 percent capacity. The ICUs in Alaska and Montana, meanwhile, were 84 percent and 77 percent full, respectively, according to federal data.
With Alaska seeing its highest rate of COVID-19 hospitalizations since the pandemic started, the Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage decided to start crisis standards of care earlier this month so doctors wouldn't be forced to make determinations about patients themselves.
“That also ensures that it is equitable [and follows] principles of justice, fairness because we all want to do the right thing,” Bernstein said. “And those types of choices can cause moral pain for health care providers.”
While emergency rooms commonly require physicians to triage and treat patients with the most urgent needs first, the practice is not common when making decisions about “more critical” treatments.
The medical center, particularly the intensive care units, have been “very full,” which Bernstein said is “largely because many COVID patients will progress to needing that level of care.”
At Providence Alaska Medical Center, the surge of COVID-19 patients make up about 24 percent of inpatients, with about 87 to 90 percent of all patients being unvaccinated.
Nationwide, a quarter of the eligible population, or about 70 million people, has not gotten any dose of the COVID-19 vaccine. Health officials have repeatedly referred to recent outbreaks as “a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” which President Biden reiterated in a speech on Friday.
“In a country as large as ours, that 25 percent minority can cause an awful lot of damage,” Biden said. “And they are causing a lot of damage.”
Idaho is another state where hospitals are enduring high stress, with officials instituting crisis standards of care statewide earlier this month. This past week, there was a record number of COVID-19 hospitalizations, said Toni Lawson, vice president for government relations at the Idaho Hospital Association.
“It's just across the board pretty serious, but crisis standards of care has really allowed our hospitals the flexibility to provide care to as many patients as possible,” she said.
Hospitals are participating in statewide calls to organize where patients go, as noncritical patients are sometimes transferred to smaller hospitals to make room in larger hospitals for severe cases.
“Right now, when you go to the hospital, you may not end up” receiving care at the same facility, Lawson said. “You may need to be transferred to another hospital because of capacity issues.”
In several hospitals, providers are adding beds to deal with the surge in new patients.
Gabe Kelen, director of the Johns Hopkins Office of Critical Event Preparedness and Response, said health care providers can consider other options like increasing the number of patients each nurse manages, shutting down services such as elective surgeries and assessing the risk of releasing bed occupants to make room for other patients.
But delaying care by months for some patients, for example those with cancer, could jeopardize their health.
“The vaccine deniers obviously in many of our minds are like really, really, really hurting like the whole system, whereas someone who has a heart attack is only attacking their own heart — they're not attacking everybody else's,” Kelen added.
But Kelen, who is also an American College of Emergency Physicians board member, said people have to look at it through a medical lens.
“We'll do our best to save your life, whether you're vaccinated or not, because that's the oath that we took,” he said.
Meanwhile, the health care industry is taking a hit of a different kind, with many hospitals across the country experiencing staffing shortages amid burnout. Compared to earlier in the pandemic, there's more demand on staff to also conduct testing and vaccinations, Kelen said.
Kristina Orfali, a professor of bioethics at Columbia University, said it’s important for hospitals to communicate the crisis standards of care with patients at admission.
“It's sad, but it's important that we know about it, and ... there's more transparency to what it is, and I think we should sort of be better in communicating all this,” she said.
Other states have taken steps to revamp their crisis standards of care amid the pandemic, with Hawaii releasing a plan earlier this month. A spokesperson for the Arkansas Department of Health said the state is working on finalizing its standards.
Tennessee declared last week that it is restricting the use of monoclonal antibody treatments to those unvaccinated against COVID-19, following National Institutes of Health guidance to prioritize those who are not fully vaccinated and are at high risk of developing serious COVID-19."
This is the email that I just sent out to my family:
"Rationing healthcare now in Evansville"
"One of Deb's employees Dad has double pneumonia(they think thats it, they are testing more-he was negative for COVID) and VERY, VERY sick but they said he's on a 1 week waiting list to get an ICU bed because every bed is filled with mostly unvaccinated COVID cases.
Man, I wouldn't want to get seriously sick in this environment!"
This is killing many thousands of people that would not have to die just because of the dishonest sources that are successfully fooling tens of millions of gullible Americans for their political agenda into not believing the REAL doctors, nurses, healthcare workers or the accurate data and reporting of it.
It's mind boggling that tens of millions of people can be so gullible!!!
For the authentic science/data, see here:
By metmike - Sept. 23, 2021, 5:23 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75252/#75261
54.3%
ICU Beds in Use - Non-COVID
26.5%
ICU Beds in Use - COVID
19.2%
ICU Beds Available
ISDH - Novel Coronavirus: Indiana COVID-19 Dashboard and Map
Maybe they should look elsewhere in the state
Or maybe we have beds but no nurses!
Thanks cutworm!
kris,
If you want to try to post again, I would suggest it be less than 10% of the words or the length of that last one.
42 pages and over 10,000 words is 10 times too long for one post.
Try to focus on just one general topic please, even if its conspiracy theory stuff, like several of your topics were.
Hundreds of links in one post is also way too much. Try to limit it to under 10.
If you want to use several posts that stick to the same topic or something related, that's great too.
You can always start a new thread too if it features a new topic about brain research for instance. That one sounds very interesting.
Thanks,
Mike
Hmmm, "conspiracy theory stuff" is what you call it?
Did you read any of the links provided?
The whole expose (41 pages) can be read here (download in pdf format):
https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9622132854?profile=original
or here:
http://ted.servepics.com/blog/controlyavirus-the-spartacus-letter
Here are some of the salient points:
COVID-19 is not a viral pneumonia — it is a viral vascular endotheliitis:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/41/32/3038/5901158
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embr.202152744
COVID-19 is more severe in those with conditions that involve endothelial dysfunction, such as obesity, hypertension, and diabetes:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772071
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/cells/cells-10-00933/article_deploy/cells-10-00933.pdf
Some more excerpts:
The vast majority of COVID-19 cases are mild and do not cause significant disease:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-overview#1
https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/7/9/ofaa286/5875595
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33289900/
SARS-CoV-2 infects a cell as follows:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41401-020-0485-4
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb2507
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1931312820306211
The correct treatment for severe COVID-19 related sepsis is non-invasive ventilation, steroids, and antioxidant infusions:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/math-plus-protocol/
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/medicina/medicina-56-00619/article_deploy/medicina-56-00619-v2.pdf
Most of the drugs repurposed for COVID-19 that show any benefit whatsoever in rescuing critically-ill COVID-19 patients are antioxidants. N-acetylcysteine, melatonin, fluvoxamine, budesonide, famotidine, cimetidine, and ranitidine are all antioxidants:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2018/6581970/
https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/62672
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6708076/
https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/88623
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/000629529390218L?via%3Dihub
Indomethacin prevents iron-driven oxidation of arachidonic acid to isoprostanes:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0161463079900442
There are powerful antioxidants such as apocynin that have not even been tested on COVID-19 patients yet which could defang neutrophils, prevent lipid peroxidation, restore endothelial health, and restore oxygenation to the tissues:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10787-020-00715-5
Scientists who know anything about pulmonary neutrophilia, ARDS, and redox biology have known or surmised much of this since March 2020:
https://www.researchgate.net/post/NADPH_oxidase_Covid-19_Oxygen_treatment
In April 2020, Swiss scientists confirmed that COVID-19 was a systemic vascular endotheliitis:
https://www.usz.ch/en/covid-19-also-a-systemic-endotheliitis/
By late 2020, experts had already concluded that COVID-19 causes a form of viral sepsis:
https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/clinical-care/expert-severe-covid-19-illness-viral-sepsis
They also know that sepsis can be effectively treated with antioxidants:
https://jtd.amegroups.com/article/view/34870/html
None of this information is particularly new, and yet, for the most part, it has not been acted upon. Doctors continue to use damaging intubation techniques with high PEEP settings despite high lung compliance and poor oxygenation, killing an untold number of critically ill patients with medical malpractice:
https://ccforum.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13054-020-03049-4
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765302
Kris,
Actually I did read much of the original post.
Regardless, this time, even though some of the links did not work it was jam packed with some good information in a form that works well for us.
Thanks for doing that.
Thank you kindly Sir !