so how would you like to be preforming your civic duty this morning setting in judgment of Kyle???? Meanwhile the mob just outside your door is screaming you better bend to the mob or die. Your kids will die, The judge and his family will die. Bend to the mob is just where this mess started, Back when Obama said those policemen "behaved stupidly". Back when the Oj jury "bent to the mob". Back when Obama, Biden, Harris started calling the ones guilty and their families with condolences. Back when the same called the mobs that were burning and looting "heros" Back when the gov of Wisc stood by and watched the town of Kenosha Wisc burn to the ground while not lifting a finger to help the poor souls that live there. Just how this jury is not sequestered is beyond comprehension but at this point its too late. If they find Kyle innocent towns will burn again, why, because we rewarded bad behavior before and set there and to it again. In the end if Americans put up with this we get the gov we deserve. Pretty sad state of affairs to look at the leaders we elect. Bend to the mob.
Mobs should only be allowed when determining who the president is... right?
But that was different. This is way more important.
don't really think that curt remark speaks to the thread but whatever I guess. And no, mobs did not determine any election.....yet...but keep living this way and the next could very well be determined by a mob. Who, other than libs who did not believe their own eyes, does not remember those black guys dressed in intimidating clothing waving night sticks at voters in Philadelpia a few years ago????
so that is the second time in less than a week you decided to write my words for me and tell me what I believe. The first time you apologized and I accepted. I think frankly it is quite rude to do it again.
I'm totally in agreement with you on mobs in this case being unacceptable but you do not agree with me about the other egregious violation.
If you want to stand up for things, stand up for what's right ALL the time, not just when your far right sources/party tell you to, being selective in applying your justice...........when it works best politically.
just to be clear I will write my own words and believe what I believe. You can read, erase them, cancel them if you wish but one thing you will not do is write them for me or dare to tell what I believe. You are not a 1 man mob.
mcfarm,
Don't give me that victim crap..........pretending that you haven't posted Big Lie Posts here, even just this month after I busted your Big Lie posts dozens of times in the past.
This is you right?
I won't bother to find a dozen more from earlier this year. I'm just confronting you with the truth.........vs enabling it.
Friends tell you the truth mcfarm.
the election...do not shoot the messeger
56 responses |
Started by mcfarm - Nov. 7, 2021, 7:14 p.m.
The reason that I confronted you today, since you are shocked is BECAUSE YOU DECIDED TO CONTINUE YOUR BIG LIE POSTING this month and the continuation of the fight against the results of the 2020 election results.
Comprehend?
"You are not a 1 man mob."
Your exactly right mcfarm. I'm nothing like that.
But ironically, it's you guys, thinking that because you outnumber me and use "group think/mob" mentality, feeding off of each other that you can turn this into an echo chamber for DISinformation about The Big Lie and COVID.
When I show science, data and facts, post DISinformation even more furiously at times(mainly the other ones)
Ain't gonna happen. I stated my intentions a few minutes ago to one of your DISinformation pals and will just copy the post, rather than repeat it.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77718/#77936
As your friend, I seriously hope that you will at least try to open your mind but realize that I can't compete with FOX or guys like Alex Jones.
I'm just a voice crying out in the far right wilderness, hoping that you'll listen and get on board the train of truth but realistically accepting that it's not looking very good.
so if all those words were true and most of the time I have had little reason to doubt you, how about sticking the subject of the post and explain how you feel when your wife and kids are threatened if you fail to convict an innocent young man to what the mob demands
If you question the election results, you fully support a riot at the capitol. Am I reading that correctly?
I don't recall reading anyone saying they supported the capitol riot. Quite the contrary. Many of the same who question the election results.
Ok, we can have it your way and just stick to the Rittenhouse trial for the rest of the post.........and I agree that any rioting is totally uncalled for just like these riots were uncalled for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_racial_unrest
| 2020 United States racial unrest | ||||
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| Date | May 8, 2020 – ongoing (7 months and 4 days) | |||
| Location |  United States | |||
| Caused by | Several deaths related to police activity, notably the killing of George Floyd while being arrested by the Minneapolis Police,[1]police brutality,[1]lack of police accountability,[1]inequality and racism[2] | |||
| Methods | Protests, demonstrations, riots, looting, civil disobedience, civil resistance, strike action | |||
| Status | Ongoing
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| Concessions given |
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| Death(s) | at least 25[6] | |||
| Injuries | 400+ law enforcement officials and an unknown number of civilians[7] | |||
| Arrested | Over 14,000 (as of June 27, 2020)[5] | |||
| Damage | $1–2 billion insured damages (as of September 17, 2020)[8] | |||
This bears repeating:
| Casualties | |
|---|---|
| Death(s) | at least 25[6] |
| Injuries | 400+ law enforcement officials and an unknown number of civilians[7] |
| Arrested | Over 14,000 (as of June 27, 2020)[5] |
| Damage | $1–2 billion insured damages (as of September 17, 2020)[8] |
Tim,
The position is that the Capital riots were NOT CONDEMNED with the same condemnation for other riots.
In the beginning, when I thought they were a one off thing and we would move on with accepting the election I was in that camp too but now I/we see they actually defined a movement.
And I actually changed my opinion too on that Tim, lining up closer to yours for numerous months.........but changed after learning more facts since then and seeing it as not dying off for Republicans but the issue that caused it, actually gaining momentum but still I get why you think this way.
Pic of GOP Rep barricading Capitol doors after he compared rioters to “tourists” OMG
24 responses |
Started by WxFollower - May 17, 2021, 12:06 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/69530/
mcfarm has asked that we leave the Insurrection out of this, which I agreed to do, so hopefully I addressed your point and we can go on.
actually that is not at all what I asked, not that I thought you would respond anyway
Previous discussion on this:
Kyle Rittenhouse sobs in court
18 responses |
Started by metmike - Nov. 10, 2021, 12:46 p.m.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jury-rittenhouse-murder-trial-deliberate-second-day-2021-11-17/
No, the jury isn't all afraid for their lives from mobs and going to vote guilty.
As some people absurdly purported took place with the George Floyd/Chauvin trial.
These are real people from the real world and both political parties who may see things totally differently than you.
Don't blame it on fear of mobs. Attribute it to them seeing things different than you if that's what their view is.
It would be a shock to find Rittenhouse guilty but I think he would get a mistrial in that case anyway because the prosecutors have messed up on a couple of things.
Rittenhouse seems to have some solid attorneys.
These were their previous reasons for a mistrial that are still valid/have not been ruled over.
Famed lawyer and retired Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz said that not only should Kyle Rittenhouse be acquitted, he should be able to sue various media outlets for defamation.
https://thepostmillennial.com/rittenhouse-should-be-acquitted-dershowitz
I've always liked Dershowitz alot. He was on FOX tonight saying that the long deliberation means its possible they are trying to agree on some sort of deal/compromise, since they are obviously not all for acquitting (or convicting)........or they would be out with their verdict already.
"the prosecution messed up a couple things".....I guess that is sort of true as there are now 4 separate and legitimate motions for a mistrial. The latest one is bombshell as using a doctored enhanced video that may have been exculpatory and not presenting to the defense but instead springing it on the court. Yes it was a minor infraction....if you were not lawyers or if you are have no idea of what you are doing or the second option.....will lie, steal and cheat to convict an innocent young man to save your already shattered reputation.
"the jury is not afraid at all" ok MM you have lunatics outside the building shouting the jurors and the judge are going to be killed and Kenosha will burn again if the trial does not go the mobs way. The jurors have full acess to media, social and otherwise and you believe they are in that not thinking about a thing than the evidence. I sure totally believe that one
mcfarm, let me give you a little lesson in the proper use of quotation marks, which are used to communicate the EXACT words of the person/source that you are quoting here and everywhere else in the universe.
In the 2nd paragraph, you used quotation marks to indicate this exact quote of metmike: "the jury is not afraid at all"
metmike's exact quote was: "No, the jury isn't all afraid for their lives from mobs and going to vote guilty."
That's a heck of a difference and is a blatant example of MISquoting a person. This could be that a person did not clearly understand the statement and for sure they did not understand or follow the basic rules for using quotations......... or to intentionally mischaracterize them in order to make it easier to attack the words/position.
Let me help you on the UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED rules for using quotations which are to have the EXACT words of the person inside the quotation and NOT the words you want to put in there.
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"The concept of quoting is pretty straightforward. If you use quotation marks, you must use precisely the same words as the original, even if the language is vulgar or the grammar is incorrect."
Hi MM
All your dam rules about proper posting will kill the forum as people will be afraid of the moderator police
That's why I use terms such as "approx" "Some what close to what was said" etc.
I could follow the post so give us dumb and stupid posters a break or we will stop posting
If you can use the word scumbag I can use the words "dam rules"
We did not all get straight A's in English literature or sentence structure
In fact I was lucky to get a few minutes from the teacher in a school day in my 8 grade, 1 horse school house
Bet you I can still beat today's average score for math etc. compared to today's students who graduate out of high school
If the poster can run a multi million dollar business then grammar is the least of his worries
His posts are appreciated, even if the grammar police finds fault
If you want to find fault then write in to the editor about all the grammar mistakes in what passes for head line stories which are full of grammar mistakes
The poster is not supposed to be a professional but journalist should proof read their stories
Hell: Best selling books have mistakes in grammar and most of them have been proof read and still mistakes pop up
Wayne,
Calm down please.
This has zero to do with grammar.
It has to do with RESPECTING OTHER PEOPLE using basic rules that were taught in high school.
You just don't make up your own words and put it in quotes to state clearly what another person said it..........WHEN THEY DIDN'T......which is the entire objective of using quotes to repeat what another person said, word for word.
I thought I was being pretty nice and helpful teaching mcfarm about how to respect other people when communicating in words.
Are you having a bad day today Wayne?
I will bet you that very few best selling books did what mcfarm just did, since you want to use that as an example.
http://www.rightsofwriters.com/2011/01/what-are-risks-of-misquoting.html
Maybe you should pay attention to the lesson instead of barging in like a bull in a china shop attacking somebody trying to sincerely help you.
Open minds..........learn new things.
"or we will stop posting"
Wayne,
Just to let you know that this will never be an echo chamber run by group think and people who want to set the rules in order to read things they want to read. Regardless of threats to "stop posting" So that threat carries 0 weight for me.
This is why I'm here:
https://www.marketforum.com/about/
If you can't accept that............I would be very sorry to see you go because you've been a wonderful contributor and personal friend for years now.
But I know what right and wrong is and what my gifts from God are and I'm trying to use thoughful discernment in trying to share them with others to enlighten them and make the world a better place.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that I need to focus more time with more productive endeavors (like scholastic chess teaching young, open minds) but that's ok too.
I've actually learned more here is the last 3.5 years than I did in the previous 10 years of my life and am tremendously grateful for that.
MM at 855 pm..."no, the jury isn't afraid at all" later quoted by me "the jury is not afraid" but left out the "for their lives"...which sorry I did not think was relevant. How morphed into such a reply I do not know...oh crap I meant misquoted by me because left out at all.
now the point of this thread was to show just how unfair this was to the jury {sequestration} and how the mobs are out to riot, burn, loot and murder and that surely is on the jury's minds. MM said no way, Kenosha was burn't to the ground with riots before and that jury never even noticed the mob. Seems the "the jury is or is not afraid" was the meat of this post. Too bad it never got discussed.
mcfarm,
Instead of learning a basic rule about something that almost everybody in the respectful writing business has understood for over a century, you do it again and defend it.
Suit yourself mcfarm. I can't force anybody here to learn anything.......just give them opportunities that they would not have without me.
mcfarm says now: MM at 855 pm..."no, the jury isn't afraid at all"
The actual quote was : "No, the jury isn't all afraid for their lives from mobs and going to vote guilty"
If you took out the part you say was all you took out.........you still wouldn't get what you got, which intentionally switched the location of where ALL is located to give it the mcfarm meaning. This means that it was CLEARLY INTENTIONAL because a cut and paste quote that leaves stuff out doesn't move words around..........so you just busted yourself mcfarm by trying to cover up.
Do you think that I'm ignorant or is it your assumption that others here are to buy this?
People now a days will argue until the cows come home, when they are wrong about stuff to spin it into them being right......and it just digs a deeper hole every time when the conversation is with an objective person that has the actual facts.
And this is the perfect example of my concern that active posters don't come here to learn........which is almost the entire reason that I'm here..........to learn things and share them with others that also want to learn and teach me things.
I actually did learn something in this conversation.
Seems like I was the only one.
right Mike I have better to do than set around and change words in a quote. I misquoted and said so. Again, have you ever made a mistake? I cannot see a way to bring the previous post up while typing a response and type from memory, which most of the time works. This time it did not but in my opinion as stated the thrust of the point was the jury cannot help but be very concerned and you for some reason want to childishly disagree. Fine disagree but here is the latest from Kenosha which does nothing more than giver the jury even more to think about with the growing mob outsider.
I am not a computer whiz or a techy and basically just the next guy on a bar seat. But I think those people wish they were somewhere else right now
Fair enough mcfarm, I’m good with that and made the points.
Yes, I see there is a lot of emotion but and it could potentially affect a couple jurors but we don’t know that and should give them the benefitfit of the doubt for being honest, responsible citizens doing their civic duty.......but my original point is that all of them are not all going to get scared into voting guilty.
All he needs is a few voting not guilty.
They could also come back with guilty on a lesser charge because whether you want to acknowledge it or not some people will see dead people because he came out there with his gun to an out of town place without proper training to do a job he wanted to do.
Defend all you want but I grew up in Detroit and can remember over 50 incidents where I was physically and verbally threatened and had around 10 major fist fights, one that caused me to get my head stitched up because I got knocked out by a guy that hit me over the head with a tire iron.
A cop was shot and killed at the bar where I had most of my fights.
I wasn’t even looking for trouble.....but every time, it was a bar loaded with trouble and being the tough guy, I never backed down if I was drinking.
Other than the tire iron, I kicked all the other guys arses which is the main reason to keep doing it(I was trained on a speed bag for years and could bench press 350 and was an idiot when drunk)
I ignored or avoided it or talked to the person to make friends when sober with zero fights.
But if I wanted to rationalize and had a gun, I probably could have killed 20 people in that environment.
They all started it so I would have been justified right?
But how much would be my fault for going into that environment?
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and realize he didn’t know this would be the environment and was naive.....and NOT trained for it.
I strongly believe this actually which is why they should find him innocent of the big charges.
But others may not be so understanding and want him to at least be held responsible for the bad judgment part of it.
When I took the guy who bashed my head in with the tire iron to court, my mom went and was mad at the judge for not also giving me a small penalty....he got probation and court costs if I remember. Actually, it was a 2 part fight. He totally started it the first time and I punched him hard in the face once and knocked him down, then left him alone. He went back to his car and came back with a tire iron(good thing it wasn't a gun).
THe drinking age was 18 and all the fights happened while I was still living at home, so she got to see the swollen shut eye or other marks on my face(and the bandage covering my head after the tire iron incident-where I lost a unit of blood from the gash on my head-early on Easter morning 1976) or hear me bragging to my buddy on the phone. My poor mom )-:
But I put myself in those situations every time and had the option to walk away every single time.
Some jurors may see it that way in this case?
The position is that the Capital riots were NOT CONDEMNED with the same condemnation for other riots.
Perhaps this is because the Jan 6th riots did not cause 1/1000th of the carnage of the months long riots in almost every major city in this country. And yet it is being treated as far more substantial, with far more attention, far more investigation.
Did I say 1/1000th? Probably 1/1000000 is more accurate. The "Race" riots in DC alone did far more damage to our capitol city.
And one person in Kenosha is getting far more attention than all the thousands of rioters and looters, for merely standing up to a few of the rioters and looters after they atacked him.
Does that not tell you anything?
Thanks Tim!
As always, each side has their on view that disagrees with the other side.
One side sees the riots last year as being for racial juwtice. The other side just sees them as riots.
Many on One side see the riot on Jan 6th s being the result of the stealing the election from Donald trump. The other side sees it as an insurrection and attempt to overturn the results of a legal presidential election.
For sure several orders of magnitude more damage and carnage and chaos from the long lasting hundreds of riots for a just cause.......their position.
The other position on the 1 riot varies according to who has the position. Some, like Gunter likened it to a bunch of rowdy tourists who lost their way.
The ones taking the opposite views focus on the location and the intent to overturn the election.
The ones taking the opposite views focus on the location and the intent to overturn the election.
Or perhaps, a realist would look at actual consequences.
there is not a racial angle to anything related to Rittenhouse. None. Its strange to mention race in a thread about an incident that involved nothing but white guys. And now you are going to condone riots because they are going to claim some racial justice motive? This is strange and unacceptable if we are going to have a civil society. And please do not try to tell if the wrong verdict comes in that riots will not occur.
metmike says: "One side sees the riots last year as being for racial juwtice. The other side just sees them as riots."
"For sure several orders of magnitude more damage and carnage and chaos from the long lasting hundreds of riots for a just cause.......their position."
mcfarm says: "And now you are going to condone riots because they are going to claim some racial justice motive? "
mcfarm,
Exact cut in past quotes from me(I added the bold letters for emphasis of the perspective point for you), then you above. Where do you see a statement by metmike condoning riots? I stated the positions of both sides in that post.
Thanks, metmike
No Wayne, I'm not harassing mcfarm with grammar 101 issues again. What I'm trying to do is to have people here communicate better so that we can understand each other better and use that as a stepping stone to getting along better............here and in the rest of the world.
Which might be the biggest problem we have facing society right now.
I hope that you want to be a better person too.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-fallout-from-electing-judges-was-on-full-display-in-the-rittenhouse-trial/ar-AAR329d?ocid=AARDHP&li=BBnbfcL How could libs objectively look at this trial and the job this judge did and be so damn wrong. No other way to put it. Wrong and wrong on the facts. Wrong just to push a narrative, Wrong to fool the public for month after month before any evidence was presented. Embarrassingly wrong with no shame.
We first saw attacks on this judge when it looked like the aquittal was inevitable. Forget the overwhelming evidence that supported it, even after one of the state's witnesses admitted that Rittenhouse didn't fire until he pointed his glock at Rittenhouse's face. Oh, and Rittenhouse should not have had a gun, but a convicted felon? No question there, right? The judge gave rational explanations for all of his decisions and showed consistency with previous trials.
Anyway, Schroeder and Rittenhouse are guilty of interfering with the good work of the militant arm of the leftist movement and must be punished for this grave transgression. Between the leftist MSM and the weaponized arms of the federal government, they'll make easy work of it. An example will be made of these subversives. We can't have random citizens standing up to the "Greater Good".
One thing that keeps standing out for me. Isn't it interesting that many/all who are convinced that Rittenhouse is/was guilty also think Biden is doing a swell job?
