New York State assembly Bill A416
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Started by TimNew - Dec. 19, 2021, 9:10 a.m.

This is perfectly alright,  right?  Basically,  it gives the NY State government the ability to detain people with communicable disease.  Far more effective than Vaccine Mandates, and if you support those,  you can't possibly oppose this,  right?


This is where they, and you, want to take us in the land of the free.


NY State Assembly Bill A416 (nysenate.gov)


Relates to the removal of cases, contacts and carriers of communicable diseases who are potentially dangerous to the public health

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By metmike - Dec. 19, 2021, 12:15 p.m.
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By TimNew - Dec. 19, 2021, 6:02 p.m.
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Oh come on Mike.   This is completely up your alley.  The "Science" supports that fact that this will save thousands,  maybe millions of lives.   Right?  And what other considerations matter?   That;s your exact philosophy.

You can't possibly support vaccine mandates and oppose this.

Next,  we'll have concentration camps for people who refuse the vaccine and masks.   The science totally supports that too,  Right?  Lives will be saved!!!!

Welcome to the world you love.

By mcfarm - Dec. 19, 2021, 6:06 p.m.
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but the camps will hold no illegal aliens of course because the powers that be are so very serious about covid

By metmike - Dec. 19, 2021, 7:46 p.m.
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You guys want to be taken seriously in an intelligent discussion based on the real world?

Pretending as if they are passing laws like this across the country and its the start of the future  with concentration camps so that you can get upset about something thats not happening.

Paranoid and delusional!


By wglassfo - Dec. 19, 2021, 7:53 p.m.
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I wish we had a law like that in Canada

If I could find that dirty  rotten sucker who gave me this bacteria virus

It sure didn't grow on corn stalks

Throw them all behind electric wire

Only problem is:

Now that I am a carrier

I go behind the wire fence

By cutworm - Dec. 19, 2021, 10:45 p.m.
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Pretending as if they are passing laws like this across the country and its the start of the future  with concentration camps so that you can get upset about something thats not happening.

Paranoid and delusional!

You are the one Paranoid and delusional, if you cannot see the long slippery slope we are on. One word Australia. 

 


By metmike - Dec. 20, 2021, 1:29 a.m.
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I wish I could get into your heads for just 5 minutes in order for you to see the objective realities/truths about COVID, the vaccine, Trump and the Insurrection.........or you into mine to see them.

Blindly following political sources and believing everything they state,  while not doing proper fact checking is causing alot of intelligence stealing right now to much of the people in this country.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79199/#79229


Always fight for things that are good for this country and what's right but first confirm that its based on the truth and authentic facts.

By 7475 - Dec. 20, 2021, 6:30 a.m.
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    Reminiscent - Typhoid Mary

By TimNew - Dec. 20, 2021, 6:46 a.m.
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MM, You think this bill is not reality?


20 years ago, Edwards campaigned against Bush saying his policies were the stupidest idea to hit our shores since socialism.   Now we have presidential candidates who are avowed socialists.

5 years ago, the idea of non-citizens voting in our elections was a preposterous idea.  Now it's a law in New York City;.

So save your "preposterous idea" argument.  Leftists are very patient and very stubborn.  Yesterdays preposterous is todays reality.   Lots of useful idiots make it all possible.  And they call people like me "Stupid trouble makers".

But you have established very clearly that "Science saving lives" is the only valid criteria for decisions in dealing with covid.

You have completely supported madates for an invasive procedure like injections, so obviously, freedom is secondary to "science saving lives".

How can you possibly argue against a bill that would deprive people of their freedom when that would obviously save lives? 

By metmike - Dec. 20, 2021, 10:50 a.m.
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By TimNew - Dec. 20, 2021, 10:52 a.m.
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BTW,  It's being voted on Jan 6th.   The fact that a bill like this even exists should concern everyone.

By metmike - Dec. 20, 2021, 12:37 p.m.
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"Next,  we'll have concentration camps for people who refuse the vaccine and masks."


Right Tim and it means that rounding up people and sending them to concentration camps is right around the corner.

And the COVID vaccine mandates aren't really about protecting people and saving lives(like every other vaccine mandate in history).....THIS TIME it's because the government (Biden/Fauci)  are trying to take control of our lives.

Us gullible  independent scientists are totally missing  this because we weren't gifted with the understanding of the far right........that knows what's really going on.

Either that or.........it's  just another far right conspiracy theory.

I'll go with the facts and conspiracy theory and history vs the far right suddenly acquiring gifted discernment skills that have completely alluded them in the past. 


By metmike - Dec. 20, 2021, 1:11 p.m.
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Or it could just be that I've had my arse handed over to me.........again and just don't realize it yet (-:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79128/#79224

By TimNew - Dec. 21, 2021, 4:04 a.m.
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They are already rounding people up and putting them into caps in Australia.  Of course, they had the sense to disarm their citizens 1st,  so there might be more trouble with that here. But their working on that.

There is a whole slew of Covid Bills in NY to be voted on the first week of the year, this is one of them.

You go on saying vaccine mandates are just about "saying lives", so it's OK.   But these camps are also about saving lives, right?  SO,  you can't possibly be opposed. It matches your single one size fits all criteria.

And far as "every vaccine mandate in history",  please cite an example of a mandate that applied to the entire population for a disease that had a 98% survival rate and had well defined groups of high risk.


Go ahead,  I'll wait.   But I can sae you some time.  THERE IS NO SUCH MANDATE.

By metmike - Dec. 21, 2021, 11:35 a.m.
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"a disease that had a 98% survival rate and had well defined groups of high risk."

You definitely come to the right place to have your misleading rhetoric busted.............over and over. 

No echo chamber here.

Just the truth based on science and facts:

You guys repeat the rhetoric...........I bust it every time. Now, all I need to do is go back to the last time I busted it and link to it. 

Continuing to pretend as if Long Covid doesn't exist and completely ignoring my repeated attempts to educate you on it because you don't want to be educated on it......you come here to prove that Tim is always right. 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/76325/#76823

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77687/#77708

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/78087/#78098

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79128/#79193


Now, pretending as if we should only be concerned about high risk groups.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79128/#79150


As if hospitals that have been massively overburdened from unvaccinated people that rationalize using your  rhetoric don't exist.

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75252/#75261

 But they all do exist in the REAL world. Maybe not Tim's world that he keeps repeating here, get's corrected, then he repeats many of  the same things to intentionally avoid learning new things....because learning something new would be devastating.............it would mean that Tim was wrong.  


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77011/#79364

By metmike - Dec. 21, 2021, noon
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Just to repeat my objectives here:


https://www.marketforum.com/about/

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79199/#79229

The truth based on authentic facts about  COVID,  the vaccines, and the Insurrection/Trump will always be represented by MarketForum.

Why not focus your energy on something that the dems and MSM don't own you and the republicans on?

There are numerous places to do that.

You spend the majority of your time fighting a couple of crystal clear losing battles while letting all the numerous  winning battles............slip away. 

Just because you and mcfarm know lots of echo chamber, DISinformation sources that will repeat the same stuff that you repeat doesn't make the fact above invalid.

Doesn't make the authentic facts and science you ignore.........less valid. Repeating a lie or DISinformation, no matter how many times you repeat it...........is still DISinformation. 



By TimNew - Dec. 22, 2021, 2:39 a.m.
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You are stuck in the weeds MM.  You think this entire argument should be focused on whether covid is 98, or 95%  or whatever.  One more time,  I'll say THAT IS NOT THE MAIN ISSUE.  Quite frankly,  I sincerely doubt there is accurate data on covid out there anyway.  Too much politics mixed in for honesty to universally prevail.

I'll note you ignored the part of the debate about "like every other vaccine mandate in history".

The fact that you feel you have won the debate because you are certain my 98% survival rate is incorrect means you really don't even understand the issue here..

How do you feel about the fact that they are rounding up peop[le in Austrailia with covid and placing them in "Remote Quarantine" camps?  I mean, they started with military helicopters dispersing crowds they felt were too large.   This after disarming the general population,  you know, to save lives,  so they won't meet much resistence in this new effort..  to save lives. And it's all about saving lives,  right MM?

How do you feel about the fact that the NY Senate will be voting on a bill, in the next few weeks, to do the same?   You can pretend it will never happen,  but they have a whole slew of oppressive covid related measures to vote on in early January, all to, well,  you know,  save lives.

If you really see no issues with all this,  I'll suggest we end this debate because we are speaking different languages and have completely different priorities.   But I can assure you,  if your side wins the debate,  you will not like how the story ends.   What starts with the government "saving us from Covid" morphs into the governemnt saving us from "dangerous thoughts", etc.

  

By metmike - Dec. 22, 2021, 3:16 a.m.
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Just keep repeating it to yourself Tim, maybe pick up the volume a bit to be absolutely sure nothing gets in that would cause you to learn something new.


"I sincerely doubt there is accurate data on COVID out there" 

"I sincerely doubt there is accurate data on COVID out there" 

"I sincerely doubt there is accurate data on COVID out there" 


Despite  11,000,000 Americans being afflicted with it:

Pretend there is no such thing as Long COVID.

Pretend there is no such thing as Long COVID. 

Pretend there is no such thing as Long COVID. 


COVID only affects high risk groups

COVID only affects high risk groups

 COVID only affects high risk groups.


The main reason that the government is making vaccines mandatory goes beyond saving lives....it’s really to control us!

The main reason that the government is making vaccines mandatory goes beyond saving lives....it’s really just to control us.

The main reason that the government is making vaccines mandatory goes beyond saving lives.,,,it’s really just to control us.


"I would still think mandates were wrong even with a 75% survivability rate."(10,000,000 people died)

"I would still think mandates were wrong even with a 75% survivability rate."(10,000,000 people died)

"I would still think mandates were wrong even with a 75% survivability rate."(10,000,000 people died)



On this bill that is 6 years old and never moved out of the committee:

 "Next,  we'll have concentration camps for people who refuse the vaccine and masks"

"Next,  we'll have concentration camps for people who refuse the vaccine and masks"

"Next,  we'll have concentration camps for people who refuse the vaccine and masks"


Previous vaccine mandates were not really vaccine mandates. 

Previous vaccine mandates were not really vaccine mandates.

Previous vaccine mandates were not really vaccine mandates.


"metmike doesn't understand the issue here"

"metmike doesn't understand the issue here"

"metmike doesn't understand the issue here"


"MM although you don't realize it,  you've already had your arse handed to you over it."

"MM although you don't realize it,  you've already had your arse handed to you over it."

"MM although you don't realize it,  you've already had your arse handed to you over it."



No matter how many times that you repeat those things...........500 times if you want.  5 million times even. They will still all  be wrong............or a massively flawed opinion.

And those are all your opinions above Tim, some with exact quotes.


You must realize that marketforum is NOT an echo chamber and that repeating far right DISinformation rhetoric will  be challenged. Or do you?

Why not just stop the hole digging?

As I showed numerous times(and in my mission statement), one of my objectives here is to uncover DISinformation.


While you're being blinded by what you think is an issue about rights that you are paranoid about having taken away...........you are totally missing having one of the most basic rights of every human being, getting stripped away from you by anti government and political entities that have stolen your intelligence for their agenda.

The right to know the truth.

We both want the same exact same thing here regarding that Tim.

I want Tim to see and know the truth.

Tim wants to know the truth. 



By mcfarm - Dec. 22, 2021, 6:49 a.m.
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By metmike - Dec. 22, 2021, 12:15 p.m.
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Thanks mcfarm!

With all the FOX anchors attacking Fauci, some with total bs and with this the most blatantly unprofessional example I can remember in my life time from a journalist (seriously).

Totally political driven,  with explicit methodology/directions  from a so called journalist to people on how to put a hit on Fauci, so his tv station can record and play it for ratings.

Right out in the open. 

FOX had already sunk to new lows but the increase in the ratings and blind support from critically thinking disabled viewers is egging them on to pour on the dangerous display of country destroying behavior......to intentionally enrage viewers and provoke more aggressive actions to stop the other side at any cost. 

Gee, aren't we in the middle of an Insurrection investigation trying to better understand and stop this from happening again?

No wonder FOX takes their positions about the Insurrection............the total bs about it being caused by Pelosi calling off the national guard(that Trump did NOT call) and  that Trump didn't cause it.........he tried to stop it.........an all time,  hall of shame, blatant lie. 


The perfect example of what I mean is that you posted this as BEING FAUCI's fault for his reaction to defend himself against this low life, unprofessional, potentially dangerous public advice from somebody that has alot of power to influence people's behavior(his gullible viewers).

Man, FOX has their viewers ethical standards and thinking totally messed up. This exact mentality is exactly what caused the Insurrection. 


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/76955/


I will remind you that I actually watch FOX to see what they are saying.......so I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

My wife used to get mad at me for watching CNN when Trump was president. Now, she gets mad at me for watching FOX. Seriously.

They flipped roles as kings of bs in trying to cause outrage in the party that isn't in control. She tries to avoid confrontational situations and thinking that way gives her stress/anxiety.

I consider it as.........being informed about what both sides are stating and why they are stating it and truly enjoy  watching total bs, like a scientist using it to understand the messed up thinking of pathological mentalities. Dead serious. 

TV stations create that intentionally for their self serving objectives.......and its fascinating as heck to me. 

My analysis is what you get at MarketForum with posts like this.

Again, I'm a completely independent, objective scientist with no party affiliation. Not part of the MSM or any source. 

I just care about fact based authentic truth and science and presenting as many learning opportunities as possible for those with open minds that want to learn....including metmike that has learned more as moderator for the last 3.5 years than, possibly  the previous 15 years of the internet. 

All the money in the world, while living a big lie is not better than being poor and knowing the objective truths.........to some people.

Would you like to be the richest person on the planet but be a complete ignoramus?

Or the smartest person on the planet that knows everything, along with gifted discernment to understand new things and practice respecting all life...... but very poor based on the material world?

The wonderful thing is that you don't have to be materialistically poor to appreciate the value of authentic knowledge, intelligence and truths....and respecting life. You can have your cake and eat it too!

However, under appreciating those non materialistic items/realms, causes even the richest man/woman to miss out on the things that bring human beings the most enriching experiences and best quality of life that our species can ever encounter.

FOX news is stealing your intelligence(with constant lies)  in a big way and openly advising/encouraging the blatant  disrespect/smearing and attempt to harm others for politically motivated objectives............and ratings

This is NOT what makes America Great!

Or what makes Human Beings Great.........just the opposite.

 

By mcfarm - Dec. 22, 2021, 1:45 p.m.
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guessing you just kind of forgot about the part where Fauci went 100% political on every action and decision he has under taken. You go political with peoples lives and you most certainly open up many new avenues to be criticized.  And don't be silly as Fauci and try to imply Jessie Watters meant anything evil should happen. Maybe you have not watched him much but by and large he is quite harmless

By metmike - Dec. 22, 2021, 2:33 p.m.
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"Maybe you have not watched him much but by and large he is quite harmless"

I have watched him a great deal mcfarm, as I continually state.

His "this is Watters World" reporting was actually very clever and I enjoyed most of it, even though he was usually making fun of people on the left that he wanted to show were ignorant.

Harmless then but obviously escalating, like many to most of the FOX celebrity opinions from their main celebrity's into very dangerous, DISinformation rhetoric.

You believe it all but at least you're getting an opportunity to see a different, objective opinion here. 



By TimNew - Dec. 23, 2021, 2:35 a.m.
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You really can't seem to understand where I am coning from.

If you have absolutely no doubt in your mind that all covid statistics are absolutely and perfectly accurate, fine.   I have my doubts, and I've seen several examples where government has manipulated data to support an agenda.   Not sure how you missed that.  But that's not really the gist of my argument.   And as I said above,  we are speaking two different languages here, so we should agree to disagree.

See,  in 1773,  you'd have been saying  "Why are you starting so much trouble over a little tax on tea?  People might get hurt or killed. Why are you so paranoid?".

This country was founded by men who said things like "Give me liberty or give me death", and "I'd much rather deal with the inconviniences of too much liberty than the consequences of too little.", and one of my favorites "People who sacrifice liberty for security end up with neither"

The men who made these statements were learned scholars who knew their history and had developed keen insights into the behavior of men and government.  It's a shame that the lessons  they have to teach are so  obviously completely  lacking  from your education.  I would strongly suggest you familiarize yourself,  but I strongly suspect you completely lack the motivation to do so.

So,  we'll continue to speak completely different languages on this, making further discussion pointless.

By metmike - Dec. 23, 2021, 3:22 a.m.
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"It's a shame that the lessons  they have to teach are so  obviously completely  lacking  from your education. I would strongly suggest you familiarize yourself,  but I strongly suspect you completely lack the motivation to do so"

Wow, thanks Tim. And here, all this time I thought it was really about the science and medicine/biology  that indisputably saves many thousands of lives. 

How shocking to find out from you that all those people should die because there is something much more important. ............related to a twisted interpretation from paranoid, anti government republicans...............NOT!

And that also goes for your absurd concentration camp crapola..........NOT as in not going to happen!

Instead of your interpretation, how about we pick..........critical thinking and common sense to save many thousands of lives and do the right thing.

Much better idea for the best interest of America's health, and the freedom of it's citizens to travel without risking their health and lives. ..........and minimizing restrictions and COVID related lock downs.

To maximize the liberty that you refer to...........we need as many people vaccinated as possible. 


Widespread COVID outbreaks = restricting liberty

Universal/widespread Vaccinations = maximizing liberty 


Dr. Oz says fully vaccinated people ‘can do things that other people can’t do’

https://www.news4jax.com/health/2021/02/15/dr-oz-says-fully-vaccinated-people-can-do-things-that-other-people-cant-do/


Tim, you guys have this exactly backwards!

You've been tricked by sources that don't have your best interest or the best interest of our country at heart!

Their objective is to get you angry/enraged to fight against the policies of this administration. .......even the good for America policies.

It's admirable to fight against policies that are bad for America but counterproductive to fight good policies. This is crystal clearly by every objective measure a really good policy for America.

How ironic that you fight it so vehemently as a patriotic but misled American and look for reasons to rationalize and justify.........instead of looking at the reality explained above right under your nose!

Be outraged but direct the outrage at those stealing your intelligence......and at the bad for America policies.

I'm a friend trying to open your mind with logic and objective, universal truths that apply across the board, regardless of political affiliation. 

You say that we speak different languages. I say that we are both for maximizing liberty, rights and freedoms.

The problem is that you’ve been tricked into thinking that getting vaccinated takes away your liberty, when in reality it provides an opportunity to increase everybody’s liberty and freedoms....with almost no penalty(just a very tiny risk) for a massive reward.

By TimNew - Dec. 23, 2021, 5:24 a.m.
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Wow, thanks Tim. And here, all this time I thought it was really about the science and medicine/biology  that indisputably saves many thousands of lives.

How shocking to find out from you that all those people should die because there is something much more important. ............related to a twisted interpretation from paranoid, anti government republicans...............NOT!

And that also goes for your absurd concentration camp crapola..........NOT as in not going to happen!

Instead of your interpretation, how about we pick..........critical thinking and common sense to save many thousands of lives and do the right thing.

Much better idea for the best interest of America's health, and the freedom of it's citizens to travel without risking their health and lives. ..........and minimizing restrictions and COVID related lock downs.

To maximize the liberty that you refer to...........we need as many people vaccinated as possible.


The founders would fit your definition of paranoid anti-government. The "Concentration Camps" are a reality in Austraiia, right now, and are in a bill to be voted on next month in New York State.  And this somehow  "supports" your idea that it will never happen?  Polyanna, meet MM. Forced quarantine is the next logical step after forced vaccinations, and your argument completely supports that progression.

I agree that the more that get vaccinated, the better. Where we dramatically part ways is in having the government force that.

But you cling to the uni-diminsional argument  that "The Science proves it will save lives".  Using that as a criteria,  we can save all sorts of lives.  Build cars like tanks and limit them to 5 MPH.  OR..  DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE WHEN THEY COULD SO EASILY BE SAVED!!!      Heartless!!!!

We could apply that flawed logic to all sorts of arguments.  The government could make all kinds of decisions for us that would make us all so much more healthy and safe.  There are reasons we don't.   

But you are incapable of understandng this. You've demonstrated that too many times and I am certain nothing I can say wil change that.

So let's agree to disagere.   You continue to support a nanny state that makes just about all our decisions for us.  I'll oppose that every step of the way.   The important point, which you also will never understand, until it's too late,  is that if your side wins,  we all lose.

So,  my final response on this pointless debate is, and will be. .....


:-)


 

By mcfarm - Dec. 23, 2021, 7:26 a.m.
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MM, there is a thread directly below this one that has a heading with something about Nasa {BIG gov} altering stats of co2 levels. If you truly believe that why is it such a reach for big gov to alter covid stats? And of course with fraud comes more fraud that is only larger.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-downplays-secret-service-estimate-of-covid-fraud/ar-AAS4aLa?ocid=AARDHP&li=BBnb7Kz

By metmike - Dec. 23, 2021, 11:35 a.m.
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"But you are incapable of understandng this."

Keep repeating that too Tim so that you don't have to consider anything but your  sources and rhetoric. It's all because of my deficiency in comprehensive skills. 

As I've mentioned and repeated numerous times. I totally get what your argument is. I'm just pointing out the obvious flaws to challenge your thinking.

Wonderful  if you want to call a (-:  I'll be more than happy to stop responding to your posts if they stop coming.

By metmike - Dec. 23, 2021, 12:10 p.m.
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"why is it such a reach for big gov to alter covid stats?"

Because the data is not coming from big government.


 It's coming from hospitals and medical facilities. It's coming from doctors and nurses. It's coming from medical studies and papers. It's coming from authentic science and rock solid/proven principles of virology and vaccines.

Big government can't  change authentic science or scientific principles and biology.

They aren't colluding with every hospital and county in the US to alter the data.

Your sources want you to not trust the data because they compare it to things like the corrupt Mueller investigation or, when trying to convince me........the fake climate crisis.

People that do that are just totally oblivious to where the data here is coming from.

The way that it's used can be manipulated to mislead people but mcfarm, the raw data is the data.  That's what I go by, as well as the principles of medical science in this case.


This is some of the data at the links from this post:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79263/#79375


Government Shmovernment. 

The data tells us with absolute certainty that the vaccines are saving hundreds of thousands of lives in the US and people not getting vaccinated are costly thousands of lives. It tells us that unvaccinated people are getting REALLY sick with long COVID.

What we know about  Omicron has not reached a place where there is enough data to know anything except that its several times (5?) more contagious than Delta and all indications are that its much milder(especially to the vaccinated) but when you multiply something milder by 5.......it's impact is still huge.

This has nothing to do with the fake climate crisis.........where, again I use the data and observations and science. Corrupt people in one place is not evidence of corruption of totally different people someplace else in a totally different realm. 

Evidence, facts, data and science mcfarm. Not speculation, conspiracy theories and politically motivated, anti government interpretations. 

Posting a story about fraud with COVID relief programs has zilch to do with anything except fraud related to COVID relief programs.

It's doesn't extrapolate out and nullify metrics of totally unrelated COVID realms.