Ron Paul talks about Ukraine and other things
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Started by GunterK - April 11, 2022, 11:21 p.m.
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By metmike - April 13, 2022, 12:20 p.m.
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Far-right influencers push Russian propaganda to claim the reported potential war crimes in Bucha are a false flag

https://www.mediamatters.org/russias-invasion-ukraine/far-right-influencers-push-russian-propaganda-claim-reported-potential-war

Former presidential candidate Ron Paul claimed on the April 5 edition of the Ron Paul Liberty Report that he’s “very suspicious of what we're hearing, just who has been doing what.” His co-host Daniel McAdams repeated denial narratives, saying, “We do not know what happened in this small town,” and went on to describe a timeline of events that implied Russian forces were not behind the massacre.

Conspiracy theory site Infowars has been a hotbed of conspiracy theories related to the atrocities in Bucha. On April 5, Alex Jones took to the show to promote articles on the Infowars site that “clearly show a lot of this was fake.”

metmike: Some of your favorite sources, Gunter. You post links here from those sources(that specialize in using DISinformation) and NEVER post links that oppose anything they state. 

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73302/

By metmike - April 13, 2022, 1:24 p.m.
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Putin says Russia's "noble" war on Ukraine to enter new phase with peace talks at "dead end" as atrocities mount

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-news-russia-war-vladimir-putin-atrocities-peace-talks-donbas/


https://www.cbsnews.com/embed/video/?v=5dc0543371e4194708985793df9457bb1649870401#vVgLb9s4Ev4rgoB67y6hTb1lL4w757VXtNsG6bbYQ1wYFEXZbPQ6UbKTpv7vN0NJfnWxXdz1Fm0iiRwOZ%2BabZ55N1tRFmbInc5KwVIlzMxZryYU5gRf1AHvmubmWsSjMybMpa5Epc3L%2FbNZPJdKsixj2ZQyvzHHcxPHGhMVJTNxxMibh2GOEWXbgxkkQuoENtFn5eCeSl3iiKH9SH17%2FWhSi%2BHS9fPX68vOHTXw9817lH9J%2FfVpUQF1Ucinz61jWssjhSKNgUaXNEt4roUCuvFakEozXpC4IS1OxFDHJmFKMV4JET6RqlJIsJ0lRcaGIzEnU8BUDPrWsU1TiAr%2BNHTtDszPqwogFiw0u1zIFBnhzLB6AHl6SJk3743dfH%2BzkMHo5jOjJuGvlMFo5DJkbF50cnOVFLjlLf%2FleHGuZCVWzrDQnlu%2BOLc%2F3HY9SCho0FWttaXvu%2FvM1i0QKN1N3YrnAIG2%2Fc1AT4M3YUijEXyFsq7ou1WQ%2Bmo94pHKxUfYQXiTcV0s%2B5EU2H62aaD6S81E1H9nUtucj6sKPBz9j309sixOWMJe4jHskdCKPWFxEzLOC0EnYfFSvmizKmUznI9%2Blj45P5yOLxZTHsc39hFMnFGEsPDEew68kjgInwTuoR3idkeahYjIXKavBCKRkdc3I2A3Htk06dsNP5RK0XP2mOs7%2FUR3LDuljYIM%2BthV5lhhTRm3HdYRLuetyP4pZEjE%2FSf4LfbbnZllB8IrN%2Byo9UkyVKYT0kGXpciiL%2BYiVoMwa9NCBPR99KxDno47xfLTPBgf8y6qIh5AK9M6wM2Nruu4DrgIuq1SdWtCm1nhMHeo6Yz%2Bcj7RadKEJwdVrUQ0zpwn7W%2B0%2F%2FVqIrYzVmN5KNKIOlvnokWSlWL6%2Few0UzYmxN5vNsSydkf%2B3dKUtL9XLrCxQvF22hgQtuU7N6MvU4pZnOeAejhMQN7J8SL8iIGHAQy482w1YvE%2BgICXJiiqX%2BVIRnsoSU9xKiopVfAUF4R4pjJ4CE9XBp9Ee%2BAhOxypQ6xcU5A3LMH9dXrwzft4f27G8eGoJ7k8pDj%2BNy54xmKcTghwLcSr1R3B9UUpVxMDcAv0EU7pcWKisWGYgX7vRlODJSu3MB1fMONhZXaQFf9glPPVeiepdEyleyUjEO3JVFrkqqp5uJR5nVyJhTYoeQs%2Fhn6lXL%2Farzvjc9c69MWyA7QGoZNP%2BXqQyfzjynCChQTBcD5NNVmXDXNQQqfF8tIS08XcOzjN9hkwMB%2FF9O2Aq30w9mzqWNeAMd%2FH3dpCkbDl9YV%2BwjEfwEBmv4KHSutQPvfjvWj%2Bg0OMDMk6Me085h0fe6ANM1HKQibqaWpChBvu7IOqS7v2FM%2FupKJapuJq9vHw3e7lYU9hfV%2Fn0%2Fm725urtzx8HYO1yus5YaeF9EFruQB0Ivi4PiH9cgHK5FGDqfAHxtgClbuklvXSC2RWx6SWk2OubgMxubI9cXF9cXlj%2B1U3oXQ%2BgVQGkSgzOBcTjVNsUpHth38D%2Fk4gcrJcNmks%2FtgP1efqMDZCoFkp%2BFtvBCiLsGxxKbH%2FgGD62Ax2D02f92A7a%2Fmn63D63A%2BBdYxaZbkQ0QA2lWsASgKmf28FzkqkFBBHL1PZHU8cTy3S5RaDBQw5hRzcC%2B5mT1oDYPLQ0GnxMWAA%2FfJ8h%2FGcI%2FhlCf4bAnyHsZwj6GUJ%2BhoCfIdxnCDb2ZgA3xAngfW4e3oGQA8%2F2c%2FIV5CgzgA4UPZKwgsBjg4jQn2ngMRaPREfwjw997QCw%2F4dcQDdnR07we0kZ6wmij4Zr3QCF%2B4yfh66AwQzO8A1OZdcLd%2B5g7pKy2bmEedBU926B5zrHgFVwjU771ik06K176LK%2Bp%2Byb8i0s1xXjD5AGtasUmeJFJfQ7lEmHUo%2BGPviH2ybkN3uBuQ9Lf8MUBh%2B5Wqh6sUTZUKd2hZULhtC8mY9mOxqOYq25Ze1WtGkOeaNUy3ZU4EWT15XEvvEecnmUgqypxBM6lwJh1jzeVkUpqvrplYByY0J5EjHzfMcKYstzx9C42o7DHN%2FcftTOyXQPCmrXYvmE77C2KuK2Oos81vd3xU1XXVKsRQWAkrIom5ThRNGBBdJCLse6sJ8DMLZKCS%2B7mv24gvaBF1CmeVv4d8c6ktMLoEyfACPVdc6iFIuILkesgrYyFbMGJK9wDLo3HRozHkec%2BCxkxLKETcaxZRNKrTARIaM0oroeHh7tK2nni8ZfVjKG9gLmAqgr4q8H9HrW8oTvRzbzSOLYMJ3FY5uE1GYk4okbCR7aoc%2F20t020RUYGTGBtolQl1iOYTkTx5%2B4wZ6sn1fKpobhQ7EnGFh0%2B%2FKDMuZmXoDac9PYsMoocqPrYnGYAfuJygCxjXLFlDA2sl4ZJXRFsMvSB2WwGs7r6QtQBRYMl6qCwxgosAVpNG69FD2iwDWvF90q%2BvkOuM7OImCO5TMiuE%2BJ61mURAEYG1r1EKYIEfI4QLvtz%2FVGRhXkTgWkacO4u3o%2FKUt1JdZoNp3Hlz0BIrTA4RnTDDxPB1pY%2BqfEru6k5frY7r1rpTlp2bqD3RWYb6E5kWswp84mOvdo7KOQ0wRmDMKcEPTm3CJsbIXEjwIrtN0w8TzeH%2Bg6uJPGr4F2qLsHZ1UcEGUmMfrdToq3elDvFeoweFc0Fe%2FZddklqlge33YJTYvXefAC2Sz2ptxNxbesXumgbDv6DgSCX123TAAfsk5ZDEJVRHsj2fsL0Z5FtGeRuMgjpnQ3vbvgdFz6qoP%2FzhdD06m7ZfUb3e2mqFJs0fvLgGHdVFkhMVdvdAbr%2F3zReyPUWi1MS0CgBsLwjxXuSC7tSwKCJGbV0%2F769r6v9l7GetengZe4NCSBF8a%2Fk5nQ1TvP%2Be7WWtzumXeoTL77JX0gXfV1%2Bjicvnz5sndMpL0FI4Ot7toGDf9e0ImGm9hJseoBeqp8eZkWTfy2WmpPt%2BiVY9m259nezY0XjOnMHdMr9%2Bofs7iIIISWOmkdF3Kzq%2BRmV8qPe48%2FXsqheLHjwn3IaduqdWzmTtdLPVYdLNaCpbLJUELsDGV6sN3pL3LMgjigI%2BtMxJLdFkonvS6PiAwHq9Z1%2FuwA1KX7m5d%2Br7l9u%2F0P

By metmike - April 13, 2022, 1:26 p.m.
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Russian State Media Using Clips From Fox News' Tucker Carlson to further Kremlin Propaganda on Ukraine Invasion

The Fox News Host Tucker Carlson has been consistently trumpeting Russian propaganda about the Ukraine invasion. Russian State Media is now highlighting clips from Carlson’s show to further deepen the disinformation and propaganda surrounding Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

https://www.spotfakenews.info/tucker-carlson-fake-news-russian-tv?gclid=CjwKCAjw6dmSBhBkEiwA_W-EoAnIqGYLKm4sfukiiL2nDRGlVsKe-LJgoJKcSyuCtg5h8RbRnTjYXBoCSfgQAvD_BwE

By metmike - April 13, 2022, 1:53 p.m.
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Zelensky list weapons needed to 'save millions of Ukrainians'

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-704031

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Russia says U.S., NATO weapon transports in Ukraine are legitimate targets

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-us-nato-weapon-transports-ukraine-are-legitimate-targets-2022-04-13/

By GunterK - April 14, 2022, 11:12 a.m.
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metmike,

Thank you for your replies.

Ron Paul’s editorial addressed the practices of our intelligence community (and our MSM), and how they have been misleading us, the People.   His editorial was based on recent admissions by our intelligence community, published by one of our news media.

Maybe, I shouldn’t have posted this article.  I am fully aware that Ron Paul is considered to be a Conservative..

However, the news release that Ron Paul quoted came from NBC… I thought NBC was far enough to the Left to be acceptable for quoting.

You brought up the events in Bucha, even though Paul’s article didn’t specifically mention them.  However, apparently Ron Paul had questioned these events in another editorial (I didn’t know that).  which would indeed  put him in bed with those infamous conspiracy theorist sites.   

Thank you for your replies… even though they don’t address the subject of Paul’s editorial…. but they do follow the traditional pattern of “attack the messenger”

You wrote:“Gunter. You post links here from those sources (that specialize in using DISinformation) and NEVER post links that oppose anything they state.”

Well, now it becomes confusing.  With Ron Paul’s post, we are just being told that our MSM, directed by our intelligence community, dispenses DISinformation.

Which kind of DISinformation should I debate, the one from this side, or the one from the other side?  Both sides are surely keeping us busy!

Gosh… life would be so simple, if I just went back to making CNN and MSNBC  my sole sources of information, as I used to do for many years.

By metmike - April 14, 2022, 2:35 p.m.
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Gunter,

You continuing to pretend to be this wonderful, very polite  warrior that only speaks out the censored truth, against being persecuted for your DISinformation,  despite being busted over and over for being the all time DISinformation and conspiracy theory King at Marketforum......by an off the charts wide margin doesn't surprise me.

You use convincing sounding, very polite words that twist things to bamboozle people who don't know the real Gunter.

I'll let the facts, speak for themselves:


https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/75431/#75520

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/73302/


I spent hundreds of hours trying to help you here in 2021, with rock solid facts and authentic science and even sent you several emails, with sincere suggestions, as a friend, including you getting professional help.........then realized that you were just playing me the entire time.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 200 times, shame on metmike (-: 

Anybody that would post 100 Alex Jones/Info Wars links in 1 post to show what they truly believe in…..totally blew their cover and credibility in 1 post.

By GunterK - April 14, 2022, 4:31 p.m.
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OK, I understand your sentiment.As you may have noticed, during the recent past I have avoided infowars or zerohedge posts… in an attempt to comply with your rules.

This current post has no DISnformation in it… only facts presented by NBC (and verified by other MSM sites), as well as Ron Paul’s opinion.

I don’t believe, Ron Paul’s opinion of this subject is far off the mark

If you feel it is, feel free to remove the post.

By metmike - April 14, 2022, 5:05 p.m.
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I've always liked Ron Paul. He's had some good stuff in the past.

Because you stated in a post that you haven't used Infowars, Zerohedge(or Dr. Mercola-the anti vaxx king of the internet) to follow my requests is a good thing.

Because you act like such a nice guy, you caused my heart to want to believe that you must have some obscure pathological affliction which causes you to go to all these places and pass on the propaganda/DISinformation, that includes believing in conspiracy theories because you're gullible or just can't control yourself...........but then, last year, the more I tried to help you, the more you exponentially ramped up the propaganda and it even turned into you describing our discussions TOTALLY DECEPTIVELY to others reading them.

It became clear that you were being enabled and in fact, my sincere actions turned 100% counterproductive and caused you to respond, completely the opposite.

It was literally feeding you........causing you to fight everything that I'm here for........to fight DISinformation and propaganda and promote positive ways to make the world a better place with truth, authentic science and ethics.

  That's when my head took over my heart and I finally stopped trusting you and giving you the benefit of the doubt every time(like I do with everybody) and looked at the stone cold facts and admitted that metmike was played. 

Everybody is capable of learning and changing, so I won't rule that out. You are not suspended anymore. So post freely but I won't trust you again until your posts reflect the change.........which they are not. But again, I've NEVER censored any posts and my favorite views are those that disagree with me.