I read numerous accounts of war crimes and prosecution of war crimes
Now would some body like to explain how those war crimes will be prosecuted
As if russia will say
Yep, these are the people who committed war crimes
Have a go at them in the Hague once we turn them over to you
tell one thing about Russia. Do not believe they will turn on the soldiers like our bureaucracy did after 9/11 with water boarding. We, from the congress, to the intelligence service right up to the President knew completely about water boarding. Hell, we even taught our interrogators how to do it properly and then after the fact we tried to jail them and pretend it was all their idea. No not a chance Russia will point them out.
And just to be clear I think we did what we had to do with water boarding.
Great question.
I have no definitive answer.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/could-russia-be-held-accountable-for-war-crimes-in-ukraine
War Crimes
Started by wglassfo - March 14, 2020, 7:48 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/83989/
metmike: One of the worst war crimes in history that took place over an entire decade and those responsible were never held accountable(people).
Scroll down to see more about this diabolical attack using chemical weapons on many innocent people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
Agent Orange is a herbicide and defoliant chemical, one of the "tactical use" Rainbow Herbicides. It is widely known for its use by the U.S. military as part of its chemical warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand,[1] during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971.[2] It is a mixture of equal parts of two herbicides, 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D. In addition to its damaging environmental effects, traces of dioxin (mainly TCDD, the most toxic of its type)[3] found in the mixture have caused major health problems for many individuals who were exposed.
Up to four million people in Vietnam were exposed to the defoliant. The government of Vietnam says as many as 3 million people have suffered illnesses because of Agent Orange.[4] The Red Cross of Vietnam estimates that up to 1 million people are disabled or have health problems as a result of Agent Orange contamination.[5] The United States government has challenged these figures as being unreliable.[6] The U.S. government has documented higher cases of leukemia, Hodgkin's lymphoma, and various kinds of cancer in exposed veterans. An epidemiological study done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed that there was an impact of birth defects of the children of veterans as a result of Agent Orange, although there was no overall rise in the total number of births with defects of Vietnam Veterans.[7] Agent Orange also caused enormous environmental damage in Vietnam. Over 3,100,000 hectares (31,000 km2 or 11,969 mi2) of forest were defoliated. Defoliants eroded tree cover and seedling forest stock, making reforestation difficult in numerous areas. Animal species diversity sharply reduced in contrast with unsprayed areas.[8][9]
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metmike: A war that featured blatant war crimes by the US, using the chemical weapon known as AGENT ORANGE for a decade resulted in NOBODY ever being held accountable.
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/67961/#67965
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63089/#63097
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63089/#63097
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/54757/
1987 – For the first time in military history, a civilian population is targeted for chemical attack when Iraqi warplanes bombed the Iranian town of Sardasht.
metmike: I contend that one of the targets for the US during the Vietnam War for a decade were civilians using Agent Orange to destroy their crops, amongst other things. Nobody from the US government that committed these horrific crimes, spraying/dumping millions of barrels of toxic chemicals on these poor people and their country was ever held accountable.
Agent Orange
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
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Started by wglassfo - Aug. 30, 2019, 1:10 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38032/
The US didn't just maim and kill civilians with Agent Orange for a decade, they are still causing massive birth defects in the people there today several generations later.
Some of the land/soil has been infertile for decades. They lied and said it was to defoliate the jungles to help our troops but they sprayed crops to kill their food supply to starve the entire population, including women and children that were just as harmed. At the same time, they really messed up our soldiers that were chemically poisoned during the widespread spraying.
They KNEW it was being sprayed on our soldiers too. as well as on food crops. Maybe they didn't appreciate the full extent of it at first but they lied about their intentions and kept spraying for many years after they saw what it was doing to obliterate the enemy with this hideous example of disregarding/violating humans beings on a massive scale. This atrocity against humanity, included severe, permanent damage to thousands of our soldiers
And Ali was sentenced to prison but never served but lost 3 years of his prime because he objected to this horrific atrocity, while no US government official was ever held accountable.
America has never taken responsibility for spraying the herbicide over Laos during the Vietnam War. But generations of ethnic minorities have endured the consequences.
By George Black
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/magazine/laos-agent-orange-vietnam-war.html
https://www.veterans.nd.gov/news/agent-orange-its-affecting-veterans-and-their-kids
The number of Vietnam veterans affected by the chemical Agent Orange is astonishing. Roughly 300-thousand veterans have died from Agent Orange exposure -- that's almost five times as many as the 58-thousand who died in combat.
Here's an example of LIE-ence.
Corrupt scientists in 1981, blatantly lying and distorting the real science to cover up for the government.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7348691/
These quantitative aspects indicate that the dioxin sprayed with Agent Orange in Vietnam cannot have caused systemic illnesses in Vietnam veterans or birth defects in their children.
metmike: The unethical/corrupt scientists that must have been paid off or received some sort of incentive to lie about the biology/chemistry in the early 1980's(when the government was expending most of their resources trying to cover up their atrocities with fake reports, misleading fake data and anti science, anti truth damage control reports.....to convince the world that they really didn't do what they REALLY , REALLY did should have been charged with crimes against humanity.
And all those victims, millions from Vietnam and the US, instead of getting justice and receiving compensation and treatments were left to greatly suffer and/be extremely sick and even die early with no support or help because the government told them they were nuts and imagining the illnesses or they were unrelated to the REAL cause.
Supposedly, we aren't like that any more.........only bad guys like Putin would do such a thing.
However, even today many in the government are often, more concerned with continuing to cover up much of what it did.
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For sure, we are better responding than we did initially 50 years AFTER it happened!
by Aaron Kassraie, AARP, Updated May 28, 2021
https://www.aarp.org/home-family/voices/veterans/info-2020/court-order-blue-water-claims.html
The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) announced three new illnesses that it considers to be related to Agent Orange exposure. The decision is expected to provide additional health benefits to approximately 50,000 veterans and their survivors whose claims were previously denied.
Past cases involving claims of service-related bladder cancer, hypothyroidism and Parkinson’s-like symptoms will be automatically reviewed and could provide recipients up to thousands of dollars a month. Other related claims will be processed “soon,” the department said in a statement.
“Many of our nation’s veterans have waited a long time for these benefits,” said VA Secretary Denis McDonough. “VA will not make them wait any longer. This is absolutely the right thing to do for veterans and their families.”
Last year, Congress members voted for the VA to adopt findings by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine that linked the three diseases to Agent Orange Exposure. Now, because of a 1991 consent decree pushed by the National Veterans Legal Services Program (NVLSP), the VA is required to evaluate past denied claims whenever new scientific evidence is found.
“The VA’s agreement to identify and pay retroactive benefits to Vietnam veterans and their survivors who previously were denied benefits for these three diseases related to Agent Orange exposure will be of great help to those who have long suffered due to their wartime service in Vietnam,” NVLSP Executive Director Bart Stichman told AARP.
metmike: There was 100 times more damage to people and the environment in Vietnam than what happened to our soldiers. They will
Agent Orange Exposure: A Must Read for Every Vietnam-Era Veteran
https://www.repforvets.com/agent-orange-presumptive-list-vietnam-era-veterans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxuqSzE2mB0
https://www.openculture.com/2021/05/muhammad-ali-explains-why-he-refused-to-fight-in-vietnam.html
His refusal to be drafted to fight in the war transcended the boxing ring, which he had dominated, at great personal cost.
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/06/muhammad-ali-vietnam/485717/
When Ali appealed his case to the U.S. Supreme Court for the final time in 1971, liberal stalwart Justice William Brennan convinced his colleagues to hear the case. Justice Thurgood Marshall recused himself because he had been solicitor general when Ali was prosecuted. That left eight justices, who on a first vote sided with the Justice Department in a 5-3 decision.
Ali claimed he qualified for conscientious-objector status because he opposed the war as a black Muslim. The Justice Department challenged that status, citing his statements that he would fight the Vietcong in a “holy war” if they fought Muslims. The justices began drafting their opinions when one of Justice John Marshall Harlan II’s clerks convinced him to take home Elijah Muhammad’s Message to the Blackman in America. Harlan returned to the Court the next day and, convinced of Ali’s sincerity after reading the text, switched sides.
Harlan’s move raised the prospect of a 4-4 split, which would preserve Ali’s conviction and send him to jail without explaining why. The justices instead chose to resolve it on narrow technical grounds and unanimously vacated the conviction.
Ali triumphed, but his victory came at great personal cost. As Angelo Dundee, his trainer, said Ali’s beliefs cost him “the best years of his life.” Before he was prevented from fighting, “it seemed impossible to hit him,” he said. The man who returned to the ring “was more flat-footed.”
“Nevertheless, he was so great that he still was the best among all of his opponents, which is something that must be taken into account when talking about Ali,” Dundee said. “He was robbed of his best years, his prime years.”
Ali once proudly declared: “I am America. I am the part you won’t recognize. But get used to me—black, confident, cocky; my name, not yours; my religion, not yours; my goals, my own. Get used to me.”
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/alie28099s-supreme-court-decision-was-biggest-victory
Initially, Woodward and Armstrong said the Supreme Court justices ruled 5-3 against Ali during a conference.
Then the justice assigned to write the majority decision, John Marshall Harlan, changed his vote after a clerk gave him a book to read that made Ali’s religious convictions clear.
The book was reportedly The Autobiography Of Malcolm X, and Harlan realized Ali had deep-seated religious convictions that made him a true conscientious objector.
But that left the court divided at 4-4, and since Ali had lost his lower court appeal, he would lose the Supreme Court case. And the court’s rules would also leave Ali without an explanation for the court’s decision.
The justices reconvened, since Ali was the best-known sports figure in the world. They wanted to provide an explanation. They worked toward a compromise that could at least detail the thoughts behind their decision.
Woodward and Armstrong said it was Justice Potter Stewart who looked at the case and convinced the other justices that the lower courts never explained why they turned down Ali’s appeals.
The final decision was a unanimous ruling, 8-0, in favor of Ali, a stunning turnaround from a potential 5-3 loss.
After the court announced its decision, reporters asked Ali if he intended to recover damages from his three-year exile from boxing.
"No. They only did what they thought was right at the time. I did what I thought was right. That was all. I can't condemn them for doing what they think was right,” he said.
The Supreme Court decision happened when the court of public opinion was turning against the Vietnam War. That led many former detractors to look at Ali in a different light.
In an article from 2012 in the Chicago Law Bulletin, Michael I. Spak, a military law professor at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law, said Ali's case set a precedent in conscientious objector cases.
Spak said Ali was the last member of a recognized, peaceful religion to face draft evasion charges. Ali regained his boxing title in 1974 from George Foreman.
But back in 1967, he made his true feelings known in a statement issued after his induction ceremony arrest.
"I strongly object to the fact that so many newspapers have given the American public and the world the impression that I have only two alternatives in taking this stand: either I go to jail or go to the Army. There is another alternative and that alternative is justice. If justice prevails, if my Constitutional rights are upheld, I will be forced to go neither to the Army nor jail. In the end I am confident that justice will come my way for the truth must eventually prevail."
https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2017/09/08/muhammad-ali-supreme-court-vietnam-war