metmike: They don't have enough power/energy to support the small fraction of electric cars here in 2022....around 1% of people in California..... during high demand periods because of replacing some of the extremely reliable fossil fuels with unreliable fake green energy.
The insane plan is to cut out ALL the very reliable fossil fuels for providing supply of electricity/power and at the same time, massively increase demand for electricity by adding millions of electric cars to the system (banning the sale of gasoline powered cars in less than 13 years).
Any reliable energy delivery system MUST be able to meet PEAK demand because that's exactly when its most critical. During extreme heat and extreme cold, lack of providing electricity/natural gas for cooling and heating means people die.
Let's explain how impossible the fake green new deal is in California.
If 100 units of electricity is the number that represents 100% of California's current PEAK demand for electricity during extreme heat waves, along with all electric cars running...... then supply of electricity MUST also be capable of delivering 100 units + an additional surplus of X amount, let's say 10 units as a cushion to ensure that the system remains operable at all times in the state.
California asking people with electric cars to not charge them during peak demand hours(along with other cuts of electricity use) with this upcoming heat wave, suggests that there is no cushion and in fact, the system may only be able to generate 95 units total of peak supply at any one time.
This means that during peak demand (with no cut backs from electric cars) California may need to reduce demand by 5 units with shut downs or brown outs......exactly when customers will need electricity the most.
This is bad enough in 2022, causing great inconvenience at the least and risking lives at the worst.
However, the ludicrous thing is their plan for the future.... is to double, triple, quadruple down and much more on the exact plan that has them in this precarious, impossible to fix situation.
Electrifying all cars will likely add an additional 40% more demand to the power grid, which, in our example above would mean 140 units of electricity/power, along with an additional 10 units........meaning 150 units will be needed in 2035, if all cars are electric for California to meet peak demand at times just like this.
If they are a bit short right now, at 95 units of peak supply, what is their plan for generating the additional 55 units in 2035 to satisfy peak demand for all electric cars +residential and industrial demand with +10 units to ensure functionality during peak loads? This would be 150 units?
To get there, they will be eliminating very reliable, power packed fossil fuels that serve as their own battery and replacing them with very unreliable, diffuse fake green energy and with a battery technology to store it which doesn't exist yet.
Based on the laws of physics, energy and meteorology, we can estimate that during heat waves, that California's green energy plan could be generating less than 95 units of energy which is less than 70% of the needed 150 units in 2035 during peak demand
This is retarded and can NEVER work in the real world. NEVER as in NEVER EVER based on the authentic facts using the real world science and laws of demand/supply regarding energy NOT the manufactured numbers from the fake green industry and those that promote this anti environmental boondoggle which will help severely damage the planet in a huge way, not save it!
Inventions of new battery technology that don't exist or hydrogen energy generation that doesn't exist or something else that doesn't exist could change that.
However, we can't plan our future using a recipe for disaster/failure, hoping for a miracle to save us from the inevitable disaster.
You can read dozens of articles stating otherwise, many sound really smart. They are either ignorant of the authentic energy/science facts and being misled by the ones that will rake in trillions of benefits because of this recipe for failure or dishonest because their politics and/or greed is getting much greater weighting than the truth.
Think about it folks,
Using good common sense about the current situation in California and applying it is all you need to figure out the truth.
But you must ignore all the manufactured items that totally dominate the news based on gatekeepers of the messages...... false narratives and fake climate crisis, fake green energy rhetoric to save the planet bs.
Previous related articles:
Fertilizer/Natural Gas Prices
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88331/
Fake inflation reduction act. Wind, the energy source from environmental hell.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88185/
Charles Payne on the economy and in particular, inflation: Biden's intentional war on fossil fuels energy disaster started by Obama. Why anti environmental and bird/bat killing wind and solar can NEVER come close to replacing fossil fuels. The cost = 433 Trillion!. Government forcing anti environmental wind/solar on the market. Stifling new investments in crude and natural gas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85535/
Life without petroleum based products: 6,000 products made with petroleum. Killing Coal. Fossil fuels and fertilizer. Biden praises high gasoline prices.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/84689/
Kerry wants to push back hard on energy infrastructure. Biden uses Defense Production Act for his solar agenda. Jaw dropping ignorance and hypocrisy on energy by leaders of the climate fraud.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85415/
Biden causes natural gas prices to soar higher: Europe's self inflicted energy crisis. Killing US coal. E15 gas this Summer...increasing pollution and food inflation for political marketing. Fossil fuels are the life blood of civilization.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/84844/
Who are the people pushing these horrible fake green energy schemes and how can they be getting away with it?
Many of them are employed in politics, government and especially the green and related industry's themselves that have hit the jackpot in massive free money gushing out to them from the government. ...crony capitalism!
Also from other investment firms that have a variety of reasons.
Additionally, media and bamboozled/gullible environmentalists that want to believe these green fairy tales.
Here's an example of it going on in Texas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27498/#88279
Green Energy Scores a 76X ROI for Their Lobbying Efforts
https://www.transparencyusa.org/article/green-energy-lobby-roi
This article is Part 2 of a four-part series demonstrating how the money in a lobby sector can impact state politics and legislation. We’ve selected the Green Energy sector due to a resurgence of interest in a behind-the-scenes look at renewables following the 2021 snowstorms, but you can follow the money in any industry of interestthat is spending lobbying dollars in Austin.
To see the first article in this series, read “How Big is the Green Energy Lobby?” here.
by Tracy Marshall
04/22/2021
The Real Political Powerhouse
Between 2006 and 2029, green energy companies doing business in Texas will rake in an estimated $36 billion in federal and state subsidies.
Conversations about money in politics tend to focus on wealthy donors, big corporations, and powerful political action committees. Scant attention is paid to the role of lobbying. But the numbers show that lobbying is actually the financial powerhouse in American politics.
Our site includes a list of lobbyists in Texas, whose interests they’re representing, and how much they’re being paid, but to get a complete picture of the way money influences lawmakers, other means of influence should be considered.
Businesses, industry groups, and government organizations hire lobbyists to influence legislators in Austin, often by wining and dining them or providing tickets to exclusive events.
Those same organizations sometimes donate to those same lawmakers through their PACs. Executives in those corporations may make individual donations to a politician’s campaign account.
In return, those organizations may get favorable laws, beneficial regulatory positions, government payouts, tax breaks, etc. Known as crony capitalism, it is a distortion of the free market. Practiced by Republicans and Democrats alike, it ultimately creates an uneven playing field benefiting those who are willing to to pay for access and favor from those in power.
While many individuals and organizations play this game, we are currently doing a case study of the lobbying efforts and other monies spent by the green energy industry in Texas. Since the record breaking winter storm which left millions of Texans without power and more than 200 dead, questions and accusations have been swirling about how so much of Texas’ energy grid — at least 25 percent — came to rely on green energy. Last week we provided a list of green energy-related entities in Texas and the money they have spent to lobby Austin lawmakers.
Since 2015, as much as $71.7 million has been spent on lobbying by companies whose primary source of income is renewable energy, including solar, wind and nuclear. That number likely climbs much higher if other companies with a strong interest in green energy are included — companies like Shell Oil and AT&T, who have invested billions in green energy and have a strong lobbying presence in Austin. So what are lobbyist clients getting for all that money spent? Quite a bit, actually.
According to records compiled by the Texas Comptroller’s office and a 2019 study by the Texas Public Policy Foundation, the total cost to taxpayers and consumers for the myriad of subsidies going to green energy operators in Texas from 2006 to 2029 will be $36 billion.
Transparency USA has catalogued up to $71.7 million invested in lobbying by Texas green energy companies since 2015. (That number only includes lobbying of state-level lawmakers, not any lobbying efforts in D.C.) In return, green energy companies have received and will continue to receive subsidies from the Texas government of almost $18 billion — that’s recouping the money they will have spent between 2006 and 2029 about 76 times over.
The available lobbying numbers only cover about seven out of those 23 years. To get a more accurate comparison, we extrapolated those same lobbying numbers over the entire 2006-2029 period where the $18 billion in state and local subsidies would be received. The green energy lobby continues to grow in each available cycle, but there are not enough data points to assume an accurate growth rate. Instead, we’re applying the same rate of investment in lobbying from the known seven-year stretch. Using those numbers as a guide, we estimate a $235 million investment by renewables companies operating in Texas.
At around 76 times the sector’s reportable investment in lobbying Austin lawmakers, it’s an incredible return on investment. And even if our estimate of the lobbying money that will be spent in Texas over the entire period turns out to be on the low end, it’s certainly not going to be off by billions. It’s absolutely going to be money well spent for companies in the green energy sector.
Bottom line: it can pay off — big time — to be in the lobbying game or the fake green/environmental energy business. What private market can compete with that return on investment?
metmike: Now you know!
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Texas Blacklists Financial Firms Over Alleged Energy Boycotts
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88370/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boondoggle
A boondoggle is a project that is considered a waste of both time and money, yet is often continued due to extraneous policy or political motivations.
The term "boondoggle" may also be used to refer to protracted government or corporate projects involving large numbers of people and usually heavy expenditure, where at some point, the key operators, having realized that the project will never work, are still reluctant to bring this to the attention of their superiors. Generally there is an aspect of "going through the motions"—for example, continuing research and development—as long as funds are available to keep paying the researchers' and executives' salaries.
The situation can be allowed to continue for what seems like unreasonably long periods, as senior management are often reluctant to admit that they allowed a failed project to go on for so long. In many cases, the actual device itself may eventually work, but not well enough to ever recoup its development costs.
The American Dream Meadowlands has been criticized as a boondoggle.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands
metmike: The fake green/environmental energy scam, especially wind turbine energy is the biggest boondoggle in history. It's based on a manufactured climate crisis (we're having an authentic climate optimum by all authentic scientific measures).
And the solution is actually wrecking the planet!
The worst part is that taxpayers are being forced to pay the massive bills for this historical boondoggle. Not based on the public being convinced and authorizing trillions to be spent on all of this but because our government/politicians force it on us without our approval......... then completely manufacture convincing sounding bs scenario's about how this will save the planet, create jobs and reduce inflation. All massive lies which are the complete opposite of what will really happen.
This will help destroy the planet and increase energy inflation while greatly reducing energy reliability.
This was posted earlier but you are only getting it for the 2nd time in this thread now.
This pales in comparision to the hundreds, even thousands of times that you have heard the junk science/energy views.
Fake inflation reduction act. Wind, the energy source from environmental hell.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88185/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27498/#88279
Green Energy Scores a 76X ROI for Their Lobbying Efforts
https://www.transparencyusa.org/article/green-energy-lobby-roi
Europe has been a couple of years ahead of the US with this same plan, with Germany leading the way (to meet the 2015 Climate Accord commitments).
Granted, they had the perfect storm hit and the fiasco green energy dynamics are just a huge part of it but this plan can NEVER work in California or the US to meet peak demand in 2035, even under near perfect real life conditions unless a miracle invention that doesn't exist right now saves it.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88331/#88523
But that only tells part of the story. German year-ahead power prices, Europe’s benchmark, hit €1,000/MWh per megawatt-hour for the first time on Monday. At start of 2020 it was just below €40.
That will be devastating for consumers when they face higher bills, though the shock will be cushioned by government price caps and subsidies.
metmike: €1,000/MWh divided by €40/MWh = 25 times higher this week vs 2020! This would be like paying $50 for a gallon of gasoline at the pump!
Mike its real hard to feel sorry for the people who are still living in California when they had their chance to vote these idiots out and didnt . Its their own fault and they will have to live with it till they wise up. Thank God I live in a red state.
1. You cant blame the politicians, they were voted in. There is no mystery who Newsome is to these people. There are consequences to who you vote for.
2. I believe I read somewhere that it isnt legal to recycle Li-ion batteries in Cali. They go to Arizona or New Mexico for recyling. How do you like that cherry on too
the people of CA are suffereing the consequences of the bad policies of their leaders. the people who are not very bright will continue to vote for these liberal leaders that will give them bad policies.
the ones who are getting tired of this nonsense are moving to places like arizona, and texas. i just hope they leave their liberal politics behind in CA.
Thanks.
I don't think it's really a matter of being bright as much as it is lining up with a political side and almost EVERYBODY from that side believing ALL the positions of that side with such a religious faith, including intellectual, very convincing/clever rationalizing that justifies agenda, using selling narratives like "saving the planet" so that it disengages critical thinking and fact checking completely.
Both sides, on every issue they disagree with, do tremendous fact checking and can see the huge blind side of those that disagree with them.
But on issue that they agree with......they are controlled in the exact same way by their gatekeepers who understand how to manipulate their people.
Everything here is about politics(and this is about using politics to enrich favored people/entities................. not about authentic energy or science or the environment or it would have been dead a long time ago.
NEW: Fake inflation reduction act. Wind, the energy source from environmental hell.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88185/
NEW: Life without petroleum based products: 6,000 products made with petroleum. Killing Coal. Fossil fuels and fertilizer. Biden praises high gasoline prices.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/84689/
NEW: Charles Payne on the economy and in particular, inflation: Biden's intentional war on fossil fuels energy disaster started by Obama. Why anti environmental and bird/bat killing wind and solar can NEVER come close to replacing fossil fuels. The cost = 433 Trillion!. Government forcing anti environmental wind/solar on the market. Stifling new investments in crude and natural gas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85535/
The real environmental crisis's/insects dying-dead zones-aquifers drying up-plastics in the ocean-landfills/trash-over consumption of natural resources-REAL pollution in the air/soil/water, WIND TURBINES (metmike is a PRACTICING environmentalist): April 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27498/
Climate Basics » Extreme Weather
Heat Waves and Climate Change
https://www.c2es.org/content/heat-waves-and-climate-change/
"If greenhouse gas emissions are not significantly curtailed, daily high and low temperatures will increase by at least 5 degrees F in most areas by mid-century, rising to 10 degrees F by late century."
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metmike: Sure they will (-:
Just like the polar bears were supposed to be dying, all the Arctic ice was supposed to be gone by the Summer of 2014-Al Gore.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88598/
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/63083/#63108
Entire nations may be wiped off the face of the earth from seas rising 3 feet by 2000 and the Dust Bowl will return to the US/Canada wheatlands-United Nations in 1989.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/78243/
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Pertaining to all the hot weather and wet weather extremes this Summer that have been massively exaggerated into 1 in 1,000 year events because there is no accountability for junk science sources making up extreme superlatives for every extreme weather event caused by natural variability. NO ACCOUNTABILITY OR RISK IN SAYING IT............so, why not do it..........and people believe them because they assume, like with the entities above, that they are authorities that are representing the science and must be right. Wrong!
Think about it after reading just a few of the impossible statements above. There were 0 consequences to those sources and they continue to make shist up today, with many people believing it because everyone else is making the same stuff up.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88256/
Considering the substantial confusion in the media about this critical issue, let me provide the GOLDEN RULE OF CLIMATE EXTREMES. Here it is:
The more extreme a climate or weather record is, the greater the contribution of natural variability.
Or to put it a different way, the larger or more unusual an extreme, the higher proportion of the extreme is due to natural variability.
It's extremely hot (record breaking) in the West right now for sure. But the Golden Rule of Climate Extremes, based on scientific principles of meteorology/climate is once again telling us where the VAST majority of the extreme heat came from.............Natural variability. In places 20 degrees above average right now, we can estimate with high confidence that 2 degrees came from global warming...........and the other 18 degrees came from the natural variability of weather that has been happening since before humans were here.
This is, by far the biggest reason for the record heat in the West right now: The current La Nina........cold water anomalies in the E/C tropical Pacific:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88409/#88419
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88409/#88422
Same exact reason for the really extreme but brief heat wave in the Pacific Northwest in June 2021.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/71468/
A long-lasting heat wave in California and other parts of the West rewrote weather history books during its peak Tuesday.
Here's a rundown of some of the most extreme notables we saw.
-Reno: 106 degrees on Tuesday smashed its hottest record for the month by four degrees. It was just short of its all-time record for any day of the year by two degrees.
-Salt Lake City: Utah's capital had its hottest September day by topping out at 105 degrees. Prior to this year, the hottest temperature in the city during September was 100 degrees. They've now been 102 degrees or hotter on five days this month.
I copied all these watches/advisories and warnings for yoiu because they are interesting/impressive. It's a copy, so going to the link will give you the latest.
Bright orange is heat advisory. Purple in California is an excessive heat warning.
The bright pink are red flag warnings. The light brown is a fire weather watch.
The gray over Dallas, TX is an air quality alert(for ozone). Same thing for Phoenix and N.CO.
So what's the red in Mexico to the S.CA borders???
Tropical Storm Warnings and bright red is hurricane warnings for Kay.
The impact that California’s energy debacle has on the entire western U.S. energy availability and pricing market because of its politically driven climate alarmist schemes are noted as:
“Meantime, power shortages are causing prices to spike in the Golden State as they are in Europe. Electricity prices in California’s wholesale market surged Tuesday evening to about $1,700 per MWh compared to the normal $100 and $67 a year ago. All of this explains why residential electric rates in California have risen by 50% in the past two years—three times more than they have nationwide.”
The hard-hitting article concludes noting:
“The grid problems that Californians are enduring will grow and spread as supersized green-energy subsidies and mandates spread their harmful incentives throughput the U.S. economy in coming years. The culprit is the left’s climate policies, not climate change.”
California started its climate alarmist campaign in 2006 with the Global Warming Solutions Act (AB32) that triggered commitments to reduce its CO2 emissions back to 1990 levels by year 2020. It further escalated these reduction commitments in additional state legislation over the coming decades to a “net zero” mandate by 2045.These schemes are incredibly costly, unreliable and real world irrelevant.
In year 2006 the global total CO2 emissions were about 29 billion tons of CO2. In year 2021 global total CO2 emissions have risen to about 34 billion tons and increase of 5 billion tons. During this period the U.S., UK and EU spent trillions of dollars mandating higher cost unreliable renewable energy use schemes while shutting down dispatchable, reliable and lower cost natural gas, coal and nuclear power plants to reduce CO2 emissions by about 2.3 billion tons while the world’s developing nations increased CO2 emissions by over 7 billion tons during this period by increased use of all forms of fossil fuels.
The world’s developing nations now account for nearly 70% of total global CO2 emissions with these nations committed to continued expansion and use of reliable low-cost fossil fuels. Some of these nations including Russia and China now control energy markets that the rest of the world must access under high cost and unreliable delivery schemes to try and meet their energy needs because of the nondispatchable unreliable performance of their inadequate “as available energy only” renewable schemes that these nations have created.
The Wall Street Journal’s article addressing the real-world energy and reliability debacle in California is a milestone event in the U.S. regarding a major media publication presenting an honest and accurate assessment of the debacle of Democrat climate alarmist driven mandated renewable energy use in the U.S.
i can buy a 10 year old car, for about 5 grand. and put gas in it forever, and still spend less than buying a new tesla.
right you are Bear. And yet our very own Sec of Energy was just quoted as saying California is leading the way and we all need to follow what great things they are doing. Yes she is just as deeply qualified as any other cabinet member we presently are saddled with. Thanks Joe Biden. Our country is in great hands.
mcfarm,
Sometimes politics are totally unavoidable when discussing market dynamics influenced by political decisions and connecting the dots.
However, your comment was absent that and was purely an NTR post. Please keep those in the NTR forum where they belong.
Thanks
https://judithcurry.com/2022/09/12/will-california-learn-to-avoid-peak-rolling-blackouts/
by Planning Engineer
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/09/13/will-california-learn-to-avoid-peak-rolling-blackouts/
Mike Maguire
September 13, 2022 5:54 pm
Replace the combustion engine with electric cars to increase demand for electricity by 40% in California and eliminate fossil fuels to lower reliable peak supply of electricity.
That will fix it.
California energy math:
+40% = -30%
Sept. 14, 2022; Washington, D.C. — Beginning October 1st NPR will launch a new climate desk that will harness the strengths of existing national and international coverage and build greater local coverage capacity across the network. …”Climate might be the most important story of our time and we need a dedicated team of journalists to cover it and work across desks in our newsroom and with our international bureaus,” said NPR’s SVP of News and Editorial Director Nancy Barnes. “The new climate desk will collaborate with Member stations to do ambitious work that builds on their deep local expertise.”
“No story touches as many people as climate change. Heat waves, mega-droughts and unprecedented floods are all becoming more intense and frequent. Climate related weather disasters are upending the way people live from China to California, from Pakistan to Florida. These extreme events have caused a global food crisis, the rise of new diseases and the displacement of millions of people,” added Kissack. “With the NPR newsroom and Member stations, we’ll strive to do stories that shape the national conversation on climate change.” …
NPR’s climate expansion has also been made possible by the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, whose funding is helping NPR to add a new Climate Solutions reporter, as well as The Rockefeller Foundation, whose support will allow for more local and regional reporting on how climate change affects the most vulnerable populations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Zuckerberg_Initiative
Excerpt: The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative (CZI) is an organization established and owned by Facebookfounder Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chanwith an investment of 99 percent of the couple’s wealth from their Facebook shares over their lifetime.[1][2][3] The CZI is set up as a limited liability company (LLC) and is an example of philanthrocapitalism
You will note the for years, the climate posts were almost all in the NTR section.
The politics of the fake climate crisis in those years and decisions made then, to affect the future, especially about energy are now affecting the markets, as they planned.
Europe's energy crisis solution
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88903/
Fertilizer/Natural Gas Prices/Europe crisis
25 responses |
Started by metmike - Aug. 25, 2022, 3:38 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88331/
NEW: Charles Payne on the economy and in particular, inflation: Biden's intentional war on fossil fuels energy disaster started by Obama. Why anti environmental and bird/bat killing wind and solar can NEVER come close to replacing fossil fuels. The cost = 433 Trillion!. Government forcing anti environmental wind/solar on the market. Stifling new investments in crude and natural gas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85535/
NEW: Life without petroleum based products: 6,000 products made with petroleum. Killing Coal. Fossil fuels and fertilizer. Biden praises high gasoline prices.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/84689/
NEW: Kerry wants to push back hard on energy infrastructure. Biden uses Defense Production Act for his solar agenda. Jaw dropping ignorance and hypocrisy on energy by leaders of the climate fraud.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/85415/
NEW: Biden causes natural gas prices to soar higher: Europe's self inflicted energy crisis. Killing US coal. E15 gas this Summer...increasing pollution and food inflation for political marketing. Fossil fuels are the life blood of civilization.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/84844/
These below, in the NTR section are powerful market topics:
Dutch farmers and nitrogen
19 responses |
Started by metmike - July 7, 2022, 8:49 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/86882/
UN warns of food shortage
11 responses |
Started by metmike - Aug. 24, 2022, 10:34 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88287/
Fake inflation reduction act. Wind, the energy source from environmental hell.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88185/
