Matthew Miller, a former Justice Department spokesperson during the Obama administration, tweeted, “Worth noting what former government officials have said since Mar a Lago raid: classified docs get mistakenly removed from government facilities fairly frequently. You report it, turn in the docs, the government does a damage assessment, and that is the end of it.”
“OR…you cover it up, lie about it repeatedly to the government, and force them to raid your premises to retrieve the docs (ie act like a sociopath), in which case you can expect a criminal charge,” Miller added
much more has come out in the last few hours, You might want to check the Ukrainian part of the documents and take a real look at the Penn/Biden foundation....hell even the name never mind the appearance and money involved but the name esp......Think tank....imagine that. A Biden, hell any Biden involved in a think tank. Might want to check just how involved they were with China also, right down to Biden's own granddaughter.
I am sure you all have heard but it cannot get much richer for the Biden's. Seems they now found more documents [surprise, surprise} after hiding the first batch until after the elections, another great surprise
Lawyers found the Obama-Biden administration records during a search completed Wednesday night.
The biggest impact is for there to no longer being a case against Trump.
My question is with regards to how this was "suddenly" discovered. There HAD TO HAVE BEEN a whistle blower/insider that knew about these documents locked up for years.
Or, after the Trump document-gate era began, the justice department went back and reviewed and tried to account for all classified documents from previous administrations and discovered some missing from Obama/Biden?
I'm just speculating because they MUST BE a reason.
The FBI doesn't have a crystal ball. Somebody or something tipped them off about Bidens classified documents.
this thing is now stinking like a sewage plant. The new documents were found in a securely locked safe.....uhhhh no not quite. As Biden takes classified documents so seriously???? Hahaha. they were found in garage beside his car. Wow he indeed takes this so seriously,
Yesterday oddly enough, I was looking for some birth certificates and I immediatly went to the garage and looked by my car.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-we-know-about-biden-documents-timeline-2023-01-12/
Biden begins working periodically at the Penn Biden Center, a nonprofit think tank in Washington run by the University of Pennsylvania
NOV. 2, 2022
Biden attorneys discover fewer than a dozen classified records inside the office at the think tank. They inform the U.S. National Archives of their discovery, turn over the materials, and begin cooperating with the Archives and the Justice Department.
Biden’s personal counsel informs the Department of Justice that additional documents with classification markings were found in the president’s private library, attached to his garage at his home in Wilmington.
The White House discloses publicly that it discovered classified documents at Biden's temporary office at the University of Pennsylvania and says it is cooperating with investigators.
Biden’s personal counsel informs the Justice Department that a document with classification markings was discovered in the president’s home in Wilmington.
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Hogwash.........pretending that Biden's people self discovered and self reported all this because they and Biden are so honest and want to follow the law. Somehow, Biden made some sort of unintentional mistake many years ago that caused these documents to end up with his stuff and somehow, they were magically discovered right now.
That's the fake position.
What makes much more sense is that a whistleblower/insider that had to have known for some time about this, decided to come forward, especially in light of what's going on with Trump.
Since they are not being honest about the discovery, it makes me not trust anything related to this.
It's true that Trump had classified documents and reacted very badly when others requested that they be returned.
Biden's camp wants us to completely focus on that one item and claim that Biden acted to immediately give them up..........so Trump is extremely guilty and Biden is completely innocent.
Yea, right. If I rob a bank and a whistleblower turns me in and my response, knowing that I'm busted is to give back the money right away........then I'm innocent?
And Biden was just the VP!
Laws about taking classified documents give a president more latitude than a vice president.
There is a great deal not being told here because the discovery story defies, objective critical thinking. The so called self reporting Biden camp would never give us a story that makes them look bad. NEVER.
Biden (and many high profile people) has/have an entire team of people that work to manufacture narratives, often false narrative and twist stories to make him look good and hide the truth when it shows bad things. They specialize in damage control.
They've got another huge challenge with this issue and you can clearly see their fingerprint in the stories being released so far.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-25-most-important-people-in-pr-2012-11
The most powerful PR professionals are the ones you never hear about -- they're working behind the scenes, advising CEOs and presidents. Often they would prefer to stay out of the limelight.
Many factors went into our ranking of the nation's top spinmasters: from size of their PR company's global revenue to the creativity of the campaigns they produce.
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There is much more to this field but this type of person is a master at more than representing individuals or companies like those above and there are many fields that use strategies which exploit peoples willingness to believe in convincing sounding story lines.
The propaganda and lies about Zelensky, Putin and the war in Ukraine for instance that has elevated the president of Ukraine to a hero..........despite the fact that if he had just agreed to not join NATO it would likely have completely prevented this horrible tragedy to his country and the world. Truth is, Zelensky is an extremely dangerous psychopath that will offer up his people and country for his selfish driven political objective.
The manufactured climate crisis during the current climate optimum is the world's greatest scientific and political fraud in history......based on spinmasters exaggerating and manufacturing convincing, scary narratives and covering up the truth about massive benefits to life on this planet.
Much of the media and politicians are professional spinmasters because of the nature of their jobs.
Spinning the story here to make Biden look good is just part of this dynamic.
Yeah, this no doubt looks bad for Biden and it is good that this will be investigated by the Justice Dept. I'd think that this has to help Trump's chances with regard to his classified document case, even with Trump's case appearing to be worse than Biden's. Trump is probably smiling about this right now.
Thanks, Larry.
the thing that makes it impossible to judge the objective facts is that we will never be given all the facts.
each side will release information from their spinmasters that makes them look good or that provides damage control. This often includes manufactured scenarios and false narratives which are cleverly spun about things that we can’t verify.
the justice department also has legal protocol to follow. They can’t just release copies of classified documents to the public for us to see.
when a case is being investigated, that further minimizes what they can release and discuss.
this is the perfect playground for the spin masters to take over.
they state what they want people to believe about things which can never be proven wrong…..even if they are not true.
those of us that don’t fall for their tricks are left to speculate about the dynamics but without solid evidence in some cases to debunk the spin masters bunk….we can only say that the story defies logic and guess at explanations that seem to make more sense.
WHEN IS SOMEONE GONNA QUESTION BO'S WEALTH? LOL
BO, AFTER 2 TERMS... "JOKES" ABOUT GETTING AWAY WITH NOT BEING BORN IN THE USA.
BIDEN, DURING ONE OF HIS "MASSIVE" RALLIES OF A DOZEN OR SO ATTENDIES, WHILE ON HIS 2020 CAMPAIGN TRAIL ~ GETS HECKLED & YELLS: "I DON'T NEED YOUR VOTE!!"
WHEN DOES HILLARY START HER NEW COLLEGE JOB? LOL
so now comes MM and speculates that "both sides do this or that" Well gee maybe he missed the part where the libs not only control the media, the narrative, the justice system, who gets charged with what and how severe, but naturally the selected leaking . All this and more has come to light thru many sources including e-mail, twitter, google, texting etc. Maybe it would be much more fair if both sides did nothing but follow the constitution.
And now we find 100 million dollars channeled thru China to this fraud of a think tank Biden controls...is it any wonder what a mess we have? It has been said many times. "follow the money"
WASHINGTON — A conservative group alleges in a new IRS whistleblower complaint that the University of Pennsylvania’s Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement flouted non-profit rules — in part by giving the future president and his allies “no show” jobs, The Post has learned.
I moved your post here, jean:
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wind turbines killing whales too
By 12345 - Jan. 13, 2023, 11:35 p.m.
I REALLY LIKE ANDY!!
THIS MORNING, I HEARD IT WAS AN OBAMA MINION BEHIND THESE "JUST FOUND" DOCUMENTS. WE'LL SEE!
Even the media sources that like to spin everything favorably for Biden and did so in the beginning have been so blindsided by the additional documents found that they can only report the stunning facts.
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/14/1149071576/biden-classified-documents-what-we-know
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It would have been one thing if Biden hadn't chastised Trump, who was a president with more power over classified documents than a VP........that has no power.
Then presenting a position about them all being out there, when they already knew there were more.
If nothing comes of this, it's seem that his handlers are extremely dishonest and incompetent and caused this to be much worse than it would have been.
We get that Trump is like that because he doesn't listen to advisers and causes unforced errors with his penchant for being arrogant and using bad judgment.
But Biden has a team of highly paid advisors.
What in the heck were these people thinking? There's got to be much more to this.
Biden suddenly went down to the southern border for the first time in 2 years too. They sanitized the visit by cleaning up the area he went to, so it was just a PR stunt but why suddenly go down there now?
Clearly it would have been his advisors that dictated that entire dynamic too.
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We all know the republicans are doing an investigation into the Biden crime family.....FINALLY!
The Biden team is going to have their hands full trying to deflect the massive, serious evidence that he was very involved(playing key roles) with numerous crimes committed by his son Hunter and brother, Jim.
I'm 99.9% certain of massive crimes and 95% certain that there is enormous, compelling evidence that can't be explained or covered up. Thank you, Hunter for gifting them much of it on your labtop, that democrats and the MSM insisted was a Russian conspiracy theory-time to pay the price!
Biden knows this. Of course he does. Biden knows what was on the laptop and he knows what Hunter did and what he did. He can't know how much of it they will be able to uncover but he must know that much of it is about to get out and the doo doo is going to hit the fan.
So Joe Biden knows what's coming before the republican investigation finds it and shows the American people. Serious crimes that he committed, using (abusing) the office of VP of the United States to enrich the Biden family to the tune of incredibly lucrative monetary and power deals/influence.
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Back to the classified documents and the extremely bizarre dynamics which seem to make no sense from the Biden side, especially the timing....right after this was a very hot topic because they had Trump on the hot seat.
I still feel that this was likely part of the work of a whistleblower. There is likely MUCH MORE than just this in the whistleblower report because the Biden team is obviously not going to come completely clean with things before it gets out and then, they are forced to do it.
However, there's a chance that this could be a preemptive strike to distract Americans away from the REAL crimes that he committed before that news hits the fan.
One way to look at it is that this just wrecks his credibility going into that news and makes it that much worse.
However, if their tactic (which seems to be backfiring badly at the moment) is to show that Biden is an honest guy that discovered these classified documents accidentally, then turned them over to the DOJ and the DOJ does an investigation that shows there was no intent to break the law and he cooperated completely(which is what they've repeated enough to make me think that's actually their tactic) then he gets completely exonerated and makes a case that it was, once again, republicans unfairly attacking him for something that he was completely cleared of, with regards to any CRIMINAL or INTENTIONAL wrongdoing.
Then, when the republicans come up with the evidence of his wrong doing as the king pin of the Biden crime family.....1 million times worse than this classified documents silliness.........his position is.......it's just the republicans, once again manufacturing stuff to attack Joe Biden, like they just did with the classified documents that were investigated and cleared him of wrongdoing.
I have no doubt that he WILL be cleared with regards to the classified documents(and because of it, so will Trump). So as bad as he looks now, like in a chess game where a player will sacrifice an important piece that, at the time seems like a huge blunder it's actually part of their strategy to gain a positional advantage later on.
When a player does this in a chess game, the other side and those watching the game usually never see it at the time of the sacrifice. That's actually the point and is based on the player doing the sacrifice knowing things about future moves that only he/she knows.
That's why it can be so effective.
Are we seeing a sacrifice here by Biden's team that looks like a horrible blunder (which nobody can explain)?
Even if that's the case, it could actually backfire. However, chess players that are about to lose the game will often make extremely risky moves and take chances based on speculative moves in hopes that their opponent will be tricked by falling into traps or take bait.
Biden's team could hope that democrats go into a defensive mentality, circling the wagons and having a damage control position that continues during the republicans investigation? Us vs them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice_(chess)
In compensation for a real sacrifice, the player receives dynamic, positional, or other non-material advantages which they must capitalize on, or risk losing the game due to the material deficit. Because of the risk involved, real sacrifices are also called speculative sacrifices.
10 Greatest Chess Sacrifices of All Time
https://thechessworld.com/articles/general-information/10-greatest-chess-sacrifices-of-all-time/
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We don't know if this is part of a strategy like that described above but we do know that Biden and his team know 10 times more than we do about this situation and for some extremely odd reason, have chosen a path that seems to make no sense at this stage of his political chess match.
so, if anyone is counting or anyone cares for the 4th {reported, who knows how many actually} time classified documents have been found, stored illegally at one of Biden's homes. Over the weekend a Biden lawyer claims as he was moving previously found documents he amazingly came across more. Still waiting on the big raid of DR Bidens underwear drawer but doubt that would happen even though it should of happened months ago if there were any fairness in our justice system.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-departments-policy-against-election-interference-open-abuse
https://www.lawfareblog.com/pre-election-disclosures-how-does-and-should-doj-analyze-edge-cases
"Still waiting on the big raid of DR Bidens underwear drawer"
THAT'D BE ENOUGH TO GAG A MAGGOT, I'D THINK !!! BLEH!!!!!!!!
MY RANDOM THOUGHTS >>>>>>>>>
IS IT POSSIBLE THE BIDEN SAGA STARTED BEFORE TRUMP GOT RAIDED? DID THEY "FIND" ALL THE BIDEN DOCUMENTS IN ONE PLACE & THEN...DISPERSED THEM TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS?
SPECIAL COUNSEL GETS APPOINTED FOR TRUMP... MAKING WAY FOR ONE TO BE APPOINTED FOR BIDEN, IF/WHEN BIDENS' DOCUMENTS GOT "DISCOVERED" ~ TO MAKE IT LOOK FAIR.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GARLAND IS NOW THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN PRESS CHARGES, ON EITHER OF THEM.
GARLAND WOILD NEVER DO THAT TO BIDEN... UNLESS ~ BO ORDERED HIM TO. KEEP IN MIND, BO WANTED GARLAND FOR SCOTUS.
WHAT AN EVIL WEB
ALL ABOUT THE LAW & DOCUMENTS
Levin's speculation Sunday nite makes more sense than any other I have heard about this latest Biden mess
That link to Levin doesn't work. Try this one, if its the same segment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXw1eEQVdxQ
His theory makes complete sense and is related to my guess that this is some sort of a sacrifice, preemptive move by the Biden camp to be in a better position for something else down the road to go better for them.
On what planet does Biden's people self discover these documents and sick the justice department on their own guy?
Because it's the right thing to do for the Biden camp?
Exactly 0% chance of that and it would be the first time in history.
Levin points out that the republicans got control of the house and will be doing an investigation. I mentioned the Hunter related stuff earlier that will be coming out.
Joe Biden KNOWS with 100% certainty what he did and what they are likely to find in their investigation.
The timing of these documents, suddenly showing up and coming from Joe's own camp looks related to the election and the investigation. The only other element that makes sense is if it's a whistle blower, who was also motivated to come forward for the first time, only because they knew the republicans would be finding this and it couldn't be covered up any longer. A whistle blower would likely have turned it over to republican sources and not to the Biden people, which is why I like the Levin theory.
On these initial dynamics that led to this discovery...... behind the curtain of secrecy. This is one of those things that will never be proven, in the absence of Joe Biden actually telling the truth. So it will NEVER be proven.
We should note that the created narrative from the left on this, from the get go was that Joe Biden's people were the ones who found the documents and self reported them, so this was honest and being cooperative........the opposite of when Trump did the exact same thing........took classified documents. When more documents kept popping up, along with the time lines..........even the left had to take a step back and apply critical thinking to appreciate that there's MUCH MORE to this than the Biden narrative of an honest VP that accidentally took classified documents and just suddenly stumbled on them and is turning them all in because its the right thing to do.
This would be like a professional criminal robbing a bank. He completely gets away with the crime for 6 years because there was no investigation by the corrupt local prosecutor and had the money in his garage and other places. A new prosecutor is taking over and vows to investigate the bank robbery incident because victims of that crime and other crimes by this guy deserve justice.
Suddenly, the bank robber comes forward with the money and his defense lawyers claim that since he's turning the money in on his own, that he's really an honest guy...........knowing that there were dozens of OTHER CRIMES this criminal committed and hoping this "honest guy" narrative would stick.
One should assume that since Biden has done this to himself (even if they appear to have blundered with the strategy-they did much of this intentionally), with high confidence there had to be a reason for it.
We will likely be finding out the reason in 2023.
My strong impression of Levin is an extremely biased person that sees everything with tunnel vision and spins it to support his side.
When his side is wrong........even really wrong he still spins it.
He's sort of like a gifted but dishonest gold prospector.
Sorting thru the dirt his entire life and coming up empty handed some of the time.........but telling people the dirt is gold EVERY time and getting them to believe it and pay for it.
Then, discovering some huge nuggets, like this time.
The huge problem is for anybody not a Levin fan that know his history. He's like the Boy who cried wolf.
The opinion of him is mostly in 2 camps.
1. Those that believe he's "The Great One" and believe EVERYTHING that he says because he always says things that they WANT TO believe in.
2. Those that don't believe anything that he says because they know that his shtick is to always say things that the right wants to believe in and you really can't tell when he's right and when he's wrong.
3. The minority, will use critical thinking and look for legit reasons to believe him when he's found a gold nugget.
I get that his political ideology has some great/legit positives and his spin is thru those eyes.
And, most importantly. In this age, there is almost nobody in politics for people to follow that tells us the objective truths all the time.
They line up with 1 side or the other and so do their views.
In today's world, people have choices. It's completely natural to pick the ones spinning the news to line up with the same ideology they believe in since it makes no sense in this age to listen to the sources spinning it the other way.
This defines the dynamic causing our country to be so divided.
Levin: The Biden admin continues to prove it’s an enemy of our republic
Mark Levin: Why didn't the FBI investigate Biden's residences?
LEVIN IS BIASED. AS A CONSTITUTON LAWYER, HE'D BETTER BE!
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I'M KINDA STUCK ON MY THOUGHTS IN MY PREVIOUS THOUGHTS. THE DEMS GOT SPOOKED, THINKING THEY WOULD LOSE THE HOUSE AND/OR SENATE.
and Jean, as the last sentence in your response could be........ The dems promptly broke the law and tried to illegally influence another election by withholding the discovery of the documents for 2 months. Also the dems are currently breaking the law by allowing
Biden lawyers with no proper credentials handle and search for additional classified documents As in , where in the Hell is the raid to find all possible missing documents.
"search but do not read" really???? Jonathon Turley explains the impossible
LOL MIKE... THEY HAVE NO SCRUPLES!! THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE!!
THEY HAVE NO GOOD IN THEM!! THEY'RE THE DEFINITION OF EVIL!!
THEY BELONG IN RIKER'S!!!!
Great comments by Turley, mcfarm.
There's just too much here that makes no sense at all which is wide open to wild speculation because we know it didn't happen the way we're told.
If it was Biden's lawyers who searched thru the documents (who tipped them off) and turned them over to do the right thing because Biden and all of his people only do the right thing, which we know is a lie, who could possibly believe that they would find anything incriminating in those documents and turn THAT over as opposed to only turning over the stuff that Biden wouldn't be in trouble for.
Like the Hillary Clinton emails on Bengazi and on her private server that were DESTROYED.
Anything bad for Biden would have been destroyed before it was turned over.
Even democrats should agree with that.
The only thing that makes sense is if there was awhistle blower involved and/or the Biden team is doing some sort of sacrifice as a preemptive move ahead related to something else MUCH bigger that will REALLY hurt him........knowing that there's no chance he will be prosecuted here.
His team looks like bufoons but the false narrative from the get go has been that Biden is honest and voluntarily turned over these documents after finding out about them because he always does the right thing.
That got busted and his strategy appears to be completely backfiring because they messed up............but we really won't know what the strategy is until we find out later this year how bad the evidence on his crimes is from the republican investigations.
Well it seems the most incompetent Presidential spokesman in history has been caught in another bold faced lie. She has been telling us over and over how there re no visitor logs for Biden house {how about his garage haha} so even though we knew on its face that was not true everyone just nodded their little liberal heads in agreement. Congress had asked and asked. Well today finally they announced the secret service log of visitors is available well sort of...it will be available right after all the Presidents lawyers pick through it. Remind anyone on the way Hillary has been treated for decades? And director Wray says he fixed that old biased special treatment for libs thing years ago. What a sad joke they are all.
oops, seems they have done it again. Sunday rumor is more docs found. And those pics of the idiot Hunter driving around in the "locked in a secure garage" Corvette have not helped either.
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There's much more to this than we're being told!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMc9S_QHHEA only 1850 boxes of documents and 415GB of information that Biden took and U of Penn ended up with......how many times have seen some lib sheep run to TV and lie about Biden having just a few documents that were "mistakenly" taken...well these will nearly fill 2 semi trailers
Biden is dead meat!
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92170/
Trouble ahead for Biden
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Started by metmike - Jan. 13, 2023, 7:25 p.m.
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As mentioned here several times, one explanation that makes sense is that a whistle blower came forward and they had no choice but to take a path that offered the most damage control........but with explanations that don't make sense.