Ukraine Pushes For Western Fighter Jets After Tank Deals
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Started by 12345 - Jan. 31, 2023, 11:15 a.m.

Ukraine Pushes For Western Fighter Jets After Tank Deals

Ukraine won support Tuesday from Baltic nations and Poland in its quest to obtain Western fighter jets, but there were no signs that larger nations like the U.S. and Britain have changed their stance of refusing to provide the warplanes to Kyiv after almost a year of battling Russia's invading forces.

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By metmike - Jan. 31, 2023, 1:13 p.m.
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Russia and Ukraine Are Not Ready for Talks
But They Might Get There If Ukraine Keeps Winning

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russia-and-ukraine-are-not-ready-talks


NATO/UN/West are in this to defeat Russia in a war, at the expense of having the country and people of Ukraine obliterated to do it.

Zelensky is just their puppet, elevated to global hero, fighting for freedom who abandoned his campaign election promise to negotiate peace with Russia and is sacrificing the lives of the very people that elected him on that promise. 

The relentless propagada to support a war based on freedom is not much different than the wars in Iraq and war in Vietnam. 

Good vs evil. Democracy vs Communism. 

Forget the unjustifiable, unconscionable widespread death and destruction of real people in the middle that have no choice that are sacrificial lambs offered up for the political agenda/ideology by the fork tongue messaging gatekeepers. 


By metmike - Jan. 31, 2023, 1:22 p.m.
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1 millions times more losses to Ukraine that any best case scenario gains.

And the risk of 1 trillion times more losses to gains if this turns into a cyber war and nuclear war and WW3.

All because they wouldn't/won't negotiate with Putin and give him anything that he wants, including having Ukraine NOT join NATO. 

And of course the message gatekeepers tell us that its Putin that won't negotiate and they manufacture their own statements telling us what Putin wants to make it sound completely unreasonable. 

This includes the totally absurd position that if Putin defeats Ukraine, he's immediately coming for Poland next.

Pure propaganda to scare people into supporting the war in Ukraine (the only option is too defeat Putin in a bloody war)  that's decimating the poor people/country for a political cause. 

By 12345 - Jan. 31, 2023, 2:14 p.m.
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By joj - Jan. 31, 2023, 2:47 p.m.
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Blame the victim.  Excellent!!!

By metmike - Jan. 31, 2023, 6:05 p.m.
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joj,

The victims are the Ukrainians, NOT the dangerous psychopath, UN/NATO puppet, Zelensky!

You really don't see that?

Never mind, you wouldn't have this position if you did.


Not the US or the West or NATO or the UN and especially not Zelensky but it's the Ukrainian human beings and country that are the real victims!

Putin should be held fully responsible for the unprovoked attacks causing horrific damage and atrocities in Ukraine but the president of Ukraine, with almost every decision has been MAXIMIZING the damage to his country by intentionally getting his country decimated because of his personal ideology regarding NATO. 


He's letting Russia, use his country for a battlefield between Russia and NATO countries.

This is inexcusable............except the propaganda from the West makes him out to be a great hero. 

The objective/authentic facts prove indisputably, the complete opposite of him being a great leader for Ukraine. He's destroyed his own country for self centered fame, glory and political ideology. 


Those accusing me (others) of being pro Putin or somebody that doesn't believe in fighting for democracy are using  a blatant mischaracterization to justify me/others of having this position in their minds so they don't have to acknowledge the inconvenient truths of this war and the corrupt puppet, Zelensky. 

By metmike - Jan. 31, 2023, 9:21 p.m.
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Korean War Propaganda Leaflet Collection at the Library of Congress

https://blogs.loc.gov/international-collections/2017/09/korean-war-propaganda-leaflet-collection-at-the-library-of-congress/


Propaganda during the Vietnam War: United States

https://stjohnslis.libguides.com/c.php?g=988646&p=7151578


The Afghanistan Papers: Decades of Deceit

https://www.sup.org/books/extra/?id=33558&i=Preface.html

Among other things, the Afghanistan Papers highlighted that high-ranking U.S. leaders held the view that the war was unwinnable and took steps to keep this information from the American public and Congress. As John Sopko, the head of SIGAR put it, the Afghanistan Papers showed that “the American people have constantly been lied to.”2

This was consistent with prior warnings regarding deception by the U.S. government regarding the Afghanistan War. Over a decade ago, Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, a veteran of the Afghanistan War, wrote the following:

Senior ranking US military leaders have so distorted the truth when communicating with the US Congress and American people in regards to conditions on the ground in Afghanistan that the truth has become unrecognizable. This deception has damaged America’s credibility among both our allies and enemies, severely limiting our ability to reach a political solution to the war in Afghanistan. It has likely cost American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars Congress might not otherwise have appropriated had it known the truth, and our senior leaders’ behavior has almost certainly extended the duration of this war. The single greatest penalty our Nation has suffered, however, has been that we have lost the blood, limbs and lives of tens of thousands of American Service Members with little to no gain to our country as a consequence of this deception.3

What Davis and the Afghanistan Papers highlight is the systematic use of propaganda by the U.S. government.


Spectacle and    Media Propaganda in the War on Iraq: A Critique of U.S. Broadcasting Networks

https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/papers/mediapropaganda.htm

The    2003 Iraq war was a major global media event constructed very differently by    varying broadcasting networks in different parts of the world. While the U.S.    networks framed the event as "Operation Iraqi Freedom" (the Pentagon    concept) or "War in Iraq," the Canadian CBC used the logo "War    on Iraq," and various Arab networks presented it as an "invasion" and "occupation." In this study, I provide    critique of the U.S. broadcasting network construction of the war that I    interpret as providing a conduit for Bush administration and Pentagon    propaganda.


https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297a/War%20Reporting%20on%20the%20U.S.%20War%20in%20Iraq.htm


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The reason to use war propaganda is because it's always been extremely effective, especially when many countries and the media collude with the same DISinformation, manufactured/false narratives. 

The ones that believe it, are certain it's the objective truth and fail to fact check .....even basic, obvious contradictions because of that and they want to believe it. They've already decided what to believe and will fiercely defend this because it usually defines a political ideology they connect strongly to that the propaganda sources use to exploit.  That's why it's so dang effective. And they only go to sources that reinforce their ideology and the propaganda creating a protective bubble around what is allowed into their brains to be used for discernment.

The fake climate crisis is the greatest, successful propaganda scheme in history.


Ex-KGB on Ideological Subversion: How the UN/IPCC hijacked science/brainwashed the world. Previously warmer. Polar bear hoax. Sept. 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38156/

In the age of powerful information, the gatekeepers of messages have maximized the technology to push propaganda. Only people extremely naive or that don't want to question "their" sources won't admit this. 

They associate propaganda with deceit and past wars built on faulty foundations.

Or with Putin and Russia.

Nobody says or even thinks "I believe strongly in propaganda"

Recognizing it as propaganda would usually cause enough skepticism to neutralize/overcome the strong belief in the flaws/bias of the message.