RUSSIA ~ SERBIA ~ KOSOVO ~ AMERICA ~ NATO,NATO,NATO
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Started by 12345 - Feb. 19, 2023, 7:17 p.m.
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By 12345 - Feb. 20, 2023, 10:11 a.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 20, 2023, 11:32 a.m.
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Ukraine lost the war a long time ago in terms of the real world.

if I have an investment of 1 million dollars that loses $990 thousand over the course of X amount of time, then at the very end it finally goes your way and you get $10,000 back and only lose $980 thousand, was it a winning investment??

look what Ukraine has already lost and worst of all can’t ever get back.

you can always get money back but not bring back the dead. You can rebuild for an incredible cost of half a trillion dollars.

fighting for some things is worth the price.

and what is Ukraine fighting for that’s worth having it’s country decimated and people killed?

the right to be part of NATO. NATO cares so much about the people of Ukraine that they used all of them for their agenda to destroy their enemy, Russia by hijacking the mind of zelensky.

elevating him to a global hero getting adulation for getting his people killed and country obliterated FOR NATO's  cause not Ukraines.

ukrainian people, foremost wanted to live, prosper and have peace with Russia. and eliminate corruption in government. They elected zelensky for exactly those reasons.

this is the complete opposite of what Ukraine wanted. And zelensky is by far the most corrupt of all.

he sold out ukraine for self serving global glory as a,puppet of  corrupt NATO.

By metmike - Feb. 20, 2023, 1 p.m.
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Vladimir Putin will target these countries next if he wins Ukraine war, according to Kremlin critic

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-will-target-these-countries-next-if-he-wins-ukraine-war-according-to-kremlin-critic/ar-AA17I7NZ?li=BBnb7Kz


Complete bunk/propaganda!

Those  other countries are already part of NATO. His attack on Ukraine is all about preventing them from becoming part of NATO.

If he attacked a NATO country, NATO would declare formal war (not just the proxy war, pretending it really isn't a war, bs in Ukraine).

He isn't an idiot. He knows he can win in Ukraine and all the legit evidence tells us he WILL win.   He would lose a war against NATO badly. This is exactly why he's trying to get Ukraine before NATO does. Exactly!

NATO already has those countries and it's too late for him to do anything about it.

Please stop believing this hogwash about him coming for Poland and all the other countries next, so we need to stop him here.


Two maps show NATO’s growth — and Russia’s isolation — since 1990

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/19/two-maps-show-natos-growth-and-russias-growing-isolation-since-1990.html

Europe in 1990

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, the Russia-dominated Soviet Union included Ukraine, the Baltic states and several other now-independent countries. The Warsaw Pact, an alliance also dominated by Russia, included six satellite countries that are all now independent as well.

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, Russia dominated the Soviet Union and six allied Warsaw Pact countries.


Europe in 2022

Over the last 32 years, Germany has reunified and all the former Warsaw Pact countries have joined NATO. Three countries that were once part of the Soviet Union — Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — have joined NATO as well.


As of 2022, NATO has expanded to let in three former Soviet states and all of the former Warsaw Pact countries.

The US and Canada are also NATO members.


Putin is fighting NATO for Ukraine right now. Not possibly or theoretically. Ukraine was on a fast track to join NATO. Look who's helping Ukraine right now........NATO! The entire war is all about that. The US is the most powerful part of NATO fighting Russia for Ukraine right now. 

The war would have been avoided if Ukraine agreed to NOT join NATO. That's it, man. I think that Ukraine should have been able to join NATO but when the choice was this, that was inevitable and 1 million times worse than the right to join NATO, only retarded thinking and diabolical political propaganda would justify this choice. 

There was a choice that would have resulted in no Ukraine war but it meant no NATO for Ukraine. People stating otherwise are either lying or repeating a lie they read and believe from propaganda..........which is almost everything we read in the US.

Again, Putin is an evil guy and this was unjustified. But we COMPLETELY understood his thinking and intentionally choose to go to war with him over Ukraine because NATO wanted this PREVENTABLE war. 


By metmike - Feb. 20, 2023, 1:35 p.m.
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Jean,

Your article states this:

As the first anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine approaches, the majority of people in almost every European country are opposed to the war.

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Nobody anywhere is FOR a war, if you are getting what you want.

NATO wants Ukraine and they are FOR A WAR with Russia so that Ukraine can join NATO.

People in the NATO countries are being tricked with propaganda to think that they are against war and Putin is for war but if they support NATO, then they are FOR THIS WAR over Ukraine.

Of course Putin started it, is diabolical to go this far to prevent NATO from taking over Ukraine(which would greatly increase the chance for Russia's demise down the road)  but NATO is for this war too.

If they weren't making substantive moves to fast track Ukraine into NATO, NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

NATO is NOT for peace or negotiating. They want Ukraine and they want to demolish Russia and this is the best case scenario for them to weaken Russia.

They want this war. If you support NATO, you support this war, whether you realize it or not. 

Not maybe. No conspiracy theory. NATO absolutely wants this war NOT peace with Russia.



By 12345 - Feb. 20, 2023, 4:20 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 20, 2023, 5:09 p.m.
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On the balloons, Bidens explanation is what I said from the get go.

There were many THOUSANDS of these balloons like that for research and other things in the last decade. Not theoretically but a fact.

The only thing more embarrassing than the Chinese balloon incident was shooting down the other 3 balloons. That was complete buffoonery based on people not understanding high altitude balloons and trying to exploit peoples ignorance by making it appear as if we are suddenly capable of protecting our skies from invasions to offset the impression from the previous week.

That was the quintessential example of a dishonest government wasting many millions of dollars to bamboozle Americans, while acting like complete idiots.

The horrific judgment calls with all 4 balloons is a reality check about the ability of this administration to use good judgment to make the best decisions for the American people.

What they proved is that all they care about is MANIPULATING the American people into thinking they're competent...........by displaying real world actions that indicate they are incompetent. 

I'm sure our military and defense system is the best in the world. It's the ones at the top making judgment calls that are incompetent. 


With regards to NATO WASTING so much energy and resources fighting a proxy  war with Russia.........and losing.

China is observing and they are feeling MUCH MORE CONFIDENT.

Watching NATO, intentionally getting so many killed in Ukraine and the country decimated because NATO is FOR Ukraine in a proxy war that it's losing badly.

And realizing that Taiwan has NO TIES WITH NATO, only the US.

If the US is tied up fighting a losing war in Russia, it greatly improves Chinas odds in Taiwan. 

And watching NATO try to acquire Ukraine is extremely telling about NATO and what they are capable of.  This only makes Chinas desire to have Taiwan greater. 

We keep hearing the propaganda that now that China sees whats happening in Ukraine, that he will never dare try to do the same thing with Taiwan. 

The relationship is much different with those 2 countries and I see it the opposite way. 

This is making the China, Russia, Middle East and other country's alliance MUCH STRONGER.

Russia is in this to win........for them, winning is an agreement that Ukraine will NOT join NATO. NATO and Ukraine will never agree to that, apparently. If Russia starts losing......out come the nuclear weapons.




By metmike - Feb. 20, 2023, 5:15 p.m.
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China furious after US warns against arming Russia: ‘The US is in no position to tell China what to do’

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-furious-us-warns-against-arming-russia-us-no-position-tell-china

"It is the U.S. not China, that has been pouring weapons into the battlefield," Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Wang Wenbin said. "The U.S. is in no position to tell China what to do. We would never stand for finger-pointing, or even coercion and pressurizing from the U.S. on our relations with Russia."

Wang said China supports peace and took another shot at the U.S. by saying it’s the U.S. that is promoting conflict by arming Ukraine.

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The evil empire of China is exactly right here. So what does that say about the fake "good guys"?


WW3, all because NATO wouldn't give up on obtaining Ukraine.

That's looking increasingly likely and we'll just keep reading and hearing the propaganda about how we are the good guys and Russia and China are the bad guys that must be stopped at any cost............even WW3.

By 12345 - Feb. 21, 2023, 12:45 a.m.
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