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The vast majority of cops have always done a wonderful job considering what they're faced with and get blamed for, including those in this report.
In recent years, we never hear/read about the huge POSITIVE changes imposed around the country to help weed out bad cops.
1. Body cams are mandatory.
2. Training has stressed eliminating choke holds and other techniques using excessive force.
3. Its very clear that the cops are much more transparent and no longer cover up incidents and tolerate bad apples like they did previously.
Yet the media ignores this and looks for incidents to cherry pick, of white cops having encounters with black men to use as headlines for ratings and anti law enforcement agenda or fake racism rhetoric especially from some Ds
They would never use the REAL DATA below for an honest discussion of the REAL problem........which we will do right now:
This afternoon, the state of Minnesota published 2021 data on crime. Sadly, it’s more of the same.
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Compare these figures to the share of African Americans in Minnesota’s population, which is less than 10 percent.
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Let me do the math for you on the Homicide offenders by race.
4 times as many committing murders that are black vs white but blacks are just 10% of the population.
This equates to a 40 times greater rate of committing murders for blacks (mostly young black men) compared to whites.
The BS report from the justice department at the top blames the cops for more encounters with, mostly young black men compared to whites.
Look at the friggin criminals and crime data, man.
On what planet, would a race killing innocent people at a 40 times greater rate not have more confrontations and get pulled over more often by good cops?
99.9% of the problem is the criminals and cops are just doing their jobs trying to enforce laws and help make the streets safer.
If all the cops were perfect, every day of the year in the entire state of MN, would blacks respond by not committing so much violent crime? If anything, you can see that after the George Floyd murder and cops being LESS aggressive has resulted in crime GOING UP in every single category after the changes following George Floyd.
And the reason is no brainer. Cops are afraid to do their jobs. Morale is at an all time low and many have quit.
Criminals are having LESS accountability because studies like the one released by the justice department at the top blames the cops and looks the other way/claims racism or racial injustice when discussing this topic.
MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) -- More than 200 officers have left the Minneapolis Police Department, or have gone on extended leave, since the murder of George Floyd.
Steve Dykstra spent just over four years with MPD. The 42 year old had worked with juveniles in Hennepin County, and at the jail. He says he wanted to make a difference outside those walls.
"I wanted to help people. I think that's what all cops would say when they first get started. It's like, 'I want to help people.' And part of helping people is, for me anyway, it's stopping bad people from doing bad things," Dykstra said.
He says he did that, starting in the 3rd Precinct, then moving to the 2nd.
"We held our heads high. People, were, seemed for the most part, to be pretty motivated to get out there and to serve and protect," Dykstra said.
But Dykstra says even before the murder of George Floyd, he saw warning signs, including a change in the pursuit policy, on who police could chase, and when.
"It seemed like there was a back pedaling through policy. So we were always, they were always taking more away from us and what we could do," Dykstra said.
He says it concerned him at the time.
"I said, 'This isn't going to end well,'" Dykstra said.
"All of a sudden it was, 'The Minneapolis Police Department is rotten to the root. Everybody with that uniform is a killer and a racist,'" Dykstra said. "You know, I don't see how you make that jump."
And it was during that time Dykstra knew his time with MPD was coming to a close.
"I stuck with it, you know, stuck it out for the people around you, but I kind of knew in my head, like, you know, this is over," Dykstra said
He says it was hard to leave the job he had been proud of.
"It was hard. I did it out of principle, though. I'm the type of person who wants to do my job, and I'm not going to sit back and just be this do-nothing cop. You know, I signed up to do the job and to do it well. I don't want to be scared to do my job," he said.
So Dykstra left last August, and took a job in a small town in Iowa, joining a department of 12.
"Down here they appreciate you, you get a lot of support from the community," Dykstra said. "Less going on, of course."
Here's the full statement from Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis President Sgt. Sherral Schmidt:
When you ask why so many officers have left the department in the past year, there are many reasons. The events of the past year have immensely impacted, not only our communities, but the police profession.
As a profession, we are demonized daily by many who have created a dangerous false narrative that is perpetuated by the media. Many careers were destroyed over the last year. Many officers had to leave the profession because of the experiences they were put through during the violent protests last year. Those experiences proved to be too much for them. They were unable to process the events and continue in the profession where they felt a calling to protect and serve the community. Their lives and their family's lives are forever changed.
Furthermore, officers feel a lack of support throughout all levels of leadership, from our elected officials who have pushed a defund movement, to a City Attorney whose biases against the police were publicized in a local newspaper article, to a City Manager who sends out citywide communications with anti-police sentiments.
https://fop.net/2022/08/police-exodus-crisis-fox-news/
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Law enforcement officers are leaving their jobs “at a rate we’ve never seen before,” with some departments seeing decreases by as many as hundreds of members compared to the same time last year, a handful of the nation’s top police officials said.
National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) President Patrick Yoes sounded the alarm during the third annual Faith & Blue conference in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday, when he told about 100 law enforcement officials, community leaders and reporters: “I want to signal a crisis.”
When asked about retention and recruitment on Tuesday, Rev. Markel Hutchins, the event’s lead organizer and MovementForward CEO, said law enforcement agencies “will not be able to recruit or retain or attract new talent if police officers continue to have to work under the circumstances and situations that they’re working under now.
“The stresses and the anxiety that’s caused by the tensions that we’ve seen have driven the law enforcement professionals away,” he went on. “There is no way to reduce crime and there is no way to attract new talent in law enforcement if we don’t change the discussion and shift the narrative again away from the points of conversation that divide us.”
“Unfortunately, we find ourselves in a very difficult time in American history in the last two years. America’s law enforcement has been demonized by many. It has created a rift within this country and eroded the very trust of the institution and the profession of law enforcement,” Yoes added during his address to the crowd. “And we’re paying for it. We’re paying for it in our communities with higher crime. And we’re also paying for it in law enforcement officers.”
We are crystal clearly having a major problem trying to maintain a bare minimum of police officers and its almost impossible to entice new recruits with the current "hate and disrespect cops" and punish cops for doing their jobs environment.
Thats happening in much of the country right now.
So what does our justice department do to help address this crisis?
They do the thing that maximizes the problem!
These people are mind bogglingly out of touch with reality.
Completely blaming cops for problems with no discussion about the REAL problem which is 1,000 times worse.......black criminals wreaking havoc at a incredibly higher rate than white criminals. ......not racist cops out of control.
Mainly isolated racism does still exist in law enforcement but its not systemic as one side wants you to believe. The real problem of the very high black crime rate is numerous orders of magnitude worse.
In today's world, a person expressing a view like this can be accused of being a racist. Just for seeing the truth and expressing it because it contradicts the false narratives.
Growing up in Detroit 6 decades ago, I had parents that taught us the value of ALL human beings and to respect everybody and treat them the same, regardless of what political affiliation, race or gender they are.
I remember the race riots, around 3.5 miles northeast of our house in July 1967.
Great people like MLK gave their lives and made the ultimate sacrifices so that minorities today can live with equality.
There is still racism in our country for sure but cherry picking incidents and misrepresenting it as representing the system for an agenda at the expense of showing the amazing progress is the WORST thing for race relations.
Memphis releases video
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Started by metmike - Jan. 27, 2023, 9:36 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/92590/
Crime in NYC is down, not up.
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Started by joj - Nov. 22, 2022, 10:40 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/90946/
taking down the cops(good ones too)
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/68329/
Using statistics to lie and smear cops
https://www.marketforum.com ...
Please don't hate the cops
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/68696/
Kim Potter
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79524
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79523
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79524
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79535
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/79504/#79536
But it only goes a small part of the way to SEE the problem as being the extremely high crime rate from blacks. One has to come up with solutions to address it and make it better, which can only be applied after acknowledging what the real problem is.
These have been some of my ideas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53752/#53753
Growing up in Detroit, our parents taught us to NOT see the color of other people's skin and to do everything possible to help those less fortunate.
I remember the race riots, just 3.5 miles northeast of our house. in 1967.
People like MLK in that age gave up their lives to make tremendous progress for minorities.
In those days, the racism was rampant in this country and covered up more than it was exposed, especially in the South.
Today, its the opposite. Racism still exists but some sources look for racists around every corner and try to convince us that the US is a systemically racist country. Those sources are the worst thing that can happen for race relations and often have political or attention grabbing agenda, rather than sincere best interests and love in their hearts which is what defined MLK.
Our parents taught us the same principles that MLK did and we learned well.
This is my sister Patti (that I'm very proud of) and her adopted sons(she had 10 children, including the Aids orphans from Kenya.
http://www.pattimaguirearmstrong.com/2012/03/our-sons-from-kenya.html
This is an example of somebody that understands the power that we all have to have a positive impact on the world.
Rescuing human beings in extreme poverty living halfway around the world because she got a message from God, along with a mentality of compassion and actions to make a difference.
Hey Mike,
I agree with most everything you said in your first post. I've seen and commented on similar stats before although I don't know if I have at this forum. A much higher % of blacks vs whites commit crimes. Thus there almost have to be far more police encounters with blacks on a per capita basis. But if you say this to a lot of libs, they'll call you a racist and nothing will convince them otherwise.
Now the question is why do a much higher percentage of blacks commit crimes vs whites? It almost has to be because a much higher percentage of blacks are poor vs percentage of whites who are poor. So, the root of the problem is there being a high percentage of blacks who are poor. Solutions that would bring that % down would help immensely. That would then reduce the crimes, which would then reduce the encounters with police.
Any ideas?
WxFollower--
You are corrrect.
Poor people commit more crimes than non poor people.
More blacks than whites are poor.
People that are poor are hurt.
Hurt people hurt people.
Thanks very much!
I can agree with that.
We need to uplift ALL poor people and stop seeing color using SOLUTIONS to address crime not just focus the blame on the good guys who are trying to pick up the pieces of a broken, dysfunctional system.
I realize my threads sometimes go into overkill (on Trump, it's intentional to demonstrate how futile it is to have a reasonable discussion, using documentation the previous futile discussions with overwhelming evidence).
I actually provided a couple of links with my thoughtful suggestions above, to help solve this crisis so I'll copy them again for you and only put the links to avoid several pages of the ideas being more overwhelming stuff.
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These have been some of my ideas.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53752/#53753
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/53282/#53284
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In the past, I was an advocate of Affirmative Action in order to assist poor blacks trying to escape from a situation that many were put in because of a couple of centuries of living in a racist society :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
Affirmative action, also known as positive action or positive discrimination (British English),[1][2][3][4] involves sets of policies and practices within a government or organization seeking to include particular groups based on their gender, race, sexuality, creed or nationality in areas in which such groups are underrepresented — such as education and employment.[2][3][5][6] Historically and internationally, support for affirmative action has sought to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, promoting diversity, and redressing apparent past wrongs, harms, or hindrances.
However, today I think that enough equal opportunity exists for us to just focus on POOR people and not give preferential treatment to BLACK poor people. I'm extremely against reparations for the same reason.
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I will add too, that a person, knowing only my views above this post could easily be labelled as a racist in a discussion of people that are typically making biased, political assumptions based on the labeling that society assigns to people like me (because actual racists will make these points but for DIFFERENT reasons) . I showed my sister Patti to demonstrate our family's mindset, that included actively participating in the civil rights movement.
In addition, my daughter, married a wonderful black man and we have 3 biracial grandchildren. I love all my kids but the one that I connect with closest and is my best friend(we're going to the opening Michigan football game again this year) is my son in law. He has the most awesome family(from Chicago) and they are the best too.
One of the biggest reasons that I voted for Obama(the first time only) was that he is black and I mistakenly thought that he would be the best thing ever for race relations and help provide solutions in that realm instead of using race for political agenda.
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What about you guys?