This is comical!
Jun 20, 2023
Hunter Biden, President Biden's son, has reached a tentative deal with the U.S. attorney in Delaware, agreeing to enter guilty pleas to two misdemeanor tax charges and admitting to felony gun possession, according to a Justice Department filing.
NOTHIN' QUITE LIKE "SICK" HUMOR, EH?
Under an agreement detailed Tuesday in a filing in federal court in Delaware, President Joe Biden’s son will plead guilty to a pair of misdemeanor tax charges. Prosecutors have also charged him with possessing a firearm while being a user of illegal drugs — a felony — but have agreed to dismiss that charge if he completes a two-year period of probation.
“It is my understanding that the five-year investigation into Hunter is resolved,” Hunter Biden’s attorney Christopher Clark said in a statement. “I know Hunter believes it is important to take responsibility for these mistakes he made during a period of turmoil and addiction in his life. He looks forward to continuing his recovery and moving forward.”
The plea agreement is intended to be a comprehensive resolution of Hunter Biden’s potential legal liability in all matters investigated by federal authorities, a person familiar with the negotiations said. Those matters include allegations Republicans have leveled in recent years that his business dealings and his well-compensated post on the board of Ukrainian energy company Burisma amounted to corruption or violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
“This is the end of it,” the person involved said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the private legal discussions.
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"End of it".......Wanna bet?
Biden corruption/coverup 10+ times worse than Watergate
14 responses |
Started by metmike - June 9, 2023, 8 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/
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Here's the REAL deal.
For those of you that think this is a travesty of justice and the Biden crime family is completely getting away with all these crimes, other than Hunter having to pay taxes on a small portion of the money with a misdemeanor........consider this:
Legacy
When he retired 6 years ago, Joe Biden had a wonderful reputation from his years serving our country in Congress, then as a popular/respected (with Ds) VP of a popular, respected President Obama.
He could have retired from one of the longest, mostly successful careers in politics with a wonderful legacy. Nobody except the ones he/Hunter committed the blatant corruption with would have ever known about it.
But he decided to run again, despite a rapidly faltering cognitive ability which is turning into a disastrous embarrassment for the ones lying to us daily about his condition.
We can see with our eyes, ears and brain that they are lying about his condition. This has even caused alot of Ds to no longer trust the information they get about Joe Biden. The party does not want him to run........but the response is........."Your getting Joe Biden anyways"
So this has set up a horrible lack of trust dynamic between Biden sources and everybody else, including Ds and also how the MSM really feels but won't tell us because they have to constantly cover it.
This, by itself has greatly tarnished his legacy. If this were the ONLY thing, he would go down as the oldest president that lost more and more of his competency as his term progressed, embarrassing our country in front of the world and constantly struggling to do just basic things, like read somebody elses words from a teleprompter. And his people insisting constantly that he's in great shape to do another 5 years.
Biden will NOT be running!
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Started by metmike - June 10, 2023, 10:11 a.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96109/
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What has happened is that people have forgotten the old Joe Biden and only remember this one. THIS is the Joe Biden, as president of the United States that will be the one with the legacy to remember him by.
Every single president is remembered for what they did in office, not before that or after that. Jimmy Carter is the only president in history to do so much to make the world a better place but even then, his challenging 4 years in office have wrecked his legacy in the minds of many people who don't appreciate his off the charts accomplishments to make our world much better.
OK, this would be bad enough but then we had a Black Swan Event happen to the Biden family. Under the influence of drugs and having no recollection of what he did, Hunter left his laptop at a computer shop for repairs without leaving instructions or contact information. Since he was in the middle of a black out, he had no clue what happened to his laptop. After not returning to get his property for a long time, the computer shop owner, per the agreement that Hunter signed became the owner of the unclaimed property.
This was an ethical, business choice that most businesses deal with. Their business isn't permanent storage for people's property that don't want it anymore.
Hunter kept incredibly detailed records of his business deals and personal life. With many thousands of images and documentation that makes it 100% indisputable this was Hunter, recording Hunter's life, not anything else.
In the absence of the laptop, we wouldn't be here and even if we were, most people would believe the Rs were being political and embellishing on the facts.
However, Hunter himself gifted the entire world with a detailed record of the many years of the authentic evidence of who he is and all the reckless, unethical sometimes criminal behavior that he participated in as a rule, not exceptions. It clearly defined him.
At the same time, Joe insists that his son did nothing wrong, he's proud of him and he's the smartest man he knows. We get the Dad protecting his son thing but in this case, it's clear they were partners in a family crime operation and Joe is also protecting his extremely screwed up partner using his influence..........which is what his partner, Hunter used to rake in millions of dollars.
Most people know this now because of the authentic facts that, ironically, the smartest man Joe knows gifted to the world that inadvertently destroyed his and his Dad's reputation the most!
There is no going back to unsee what we know about Joe and Hunter.
These facts above will define the legacy of Joe and Hunter Biden in the minds of most Americans forever and ever. There's nothing that happened before this that matters and nothing that happens after that will matter(other than how it ends for Joe). If I were Joe, I would make up a terminal illness and tell the truth about his deteriorating condition. People, by their nature have compassion and will especially have it for people they consider being honest.
In the absence of that, it's only going to get worse. This decision is NOT the end of it but just more evidence of unequal justice and even the Ds can see it about the Bidens.
Hunter not going to prison allowed him to escape physical prison but not the prison of his obliterated legacy which will live on forever after he's long gone. Same with Joe escaping any consequences or accountability. The Biden;s have actually proven one the points the far right has correct...........unequal application of justice, protecting the Ds.
IMO ~ THERE AIN'T A ONE OF 'EM, THAT'S GONNA GET THEIR AZZZZ LOCKED UP! NOR, PAY A DIME IN FINES!
ANY EXCUSE IS BETTER THAN NONE ~ RIGHT?
I WONDER ~ DID THEY MESS UP SO FETTERMAN WOULD WIN? (NEVER MIND! LOL)
Probe Blames Pennsylvania County's November Ballot Paper Shortage On Inexperience, Poor Training
IMO ~ THERE AIN'T A ONE OF 'EM, THAT'S GONNA GET THEIR AZZZZ LOCKED UP! NOR, PAY A DIME IN FINES!
I wouldn't fret too much, Jean.
They are paying a price 10 times greater than a fine or conviction.
Jean, would you take 15 million dollars of dirty money and live high on the hog, with no consequences BUT 100 million people in the US knew you did it and they considered you a corrupt person?
I get that corrupt people don't think like you and me and don't care about who they hurt but most people, especially politicians care about their reputations and legacy.
The mainstream media can continue to completely cover it up with absurd, fake journalistic gymnastics and the justice department can let them off but the majority of Americans know and a billion+ people from other countries are getting the same negative vibes based on the compelling Biden corruption facts.
When Joe leaves office, this is what he will be remembered for. I guess that Ds writing the history books can cover it up and 100 years from now, the corruption might not be as appreciated as what President Nixon did, which was mild in comparison and the coverup and protection of the Bidens is the REAL story here.
Letting Hunter off with a slap on the wrist only strengthens the case of one side that can use this as another example.........even though we knew it was headed in this direction.
If not for this and Joe's faltering cerebral abilities that we all get to witness first hand, followed by them lying to us in order to cover it up..........what exactly will be Joe and Hunter's legacy?
There's no amount of damage control or deception/covering up to protect them from the reality that MOST PEOPLE KNOW and it impacts what they think about the Biden family...........and the ones covering for them.
The credibility of the justice department just dropped another notch, in the midst of the current credibility crisis for the justice department.
Americans should have the power to use our democracy to vote for people that will change this.
Sadly, instead we often vote for charlatans that tell us what we want to hear but that's another story.
accountability. The Biden;s have actually proven one the points the far right has correct...........unequal application of justice, protecting the Ds. quote from MM.
And right there is the problem. Big as Dallas as Sen Kennedy says. After all this corruption. After trying to throw 2 national elections, ruin lives, destroy what faith most had in our DOJ, FBI, etc, buying, selling lying, cheating, do anything and everything for power how could it be that the far right are the only ones who identified what, when and how the Clintons, Obamas and Bidens have led this charge to a 2 tiered justice system? And even today with this embarrassing Hunter Biden announcement the right gets no help to correct this mess. Only more useless mockery from the left.
Some good points that I mentioned before.
Hunter owing 1 million in back taxes tells us that he had some massive unaccounted for(illegal) income in excess of the income that he was getting paid for the job he didn't qualify to have.
And this will NOT be going away. Rs investigating have the goods.
Hunter Biden case uncovers new, unequal justice in America
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hunter-biden-case-uncovers-unequal-justice-america
Hey Mike,
You probably don't realize that the opinion you just linked us to is from someone (Stefanik) who:
"After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election and Trump refused to concede while making false claims of fraud, Stefanik aided Trump in his efforts to overturn the election results. She also made false claims of fraud, saying among other things that 'more than 140,000 votes came from underage, deceased, and otherwise unauthorized voters' in Fulton County, Georgia. She also expressed 'concerns' about Dominion Voting Systems, the subject of numerous false right-wing conspiracy theories. In December 2020, Stefanik supported the lawsuit Texas v. Pennsylvania, an attempt to reverse Trump's loss by petitioning the U.S. Supreme Court to reject certified results in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsinand Georgia. After a mob of pro-Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, Stefanik condemned the violence but rejected the idea that Trump was at fault. She has promoted conspiracy theories about a 'stolen election', and just hours after the invasion of the Capitol, she voted against accepting Pennsylvania's electoral votes in the 2020 election. Later in January, she expressed opposition to impeaching Trump over his alleged role in inciting the storming of the Capitol. She voted against the second impeachment on January 13."
Thanks, Larry!
Actually I did and wanted to use it as an example of how people from 1 extreme and really wrong .....can sometimes be exactly right about another some thing..........like what also happens with Tucker Carlson.
You're making the same point, like when you've pointed out that the NY Post is a bad source about Hunter Biden in basing what you believe on the source.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/94709/#94715
I told you previously that I use the authentic information the source is communicating not who it is or where it came frame.
I asked you to find something wrong with the information and you admitted that you were very busy and didn't have the time.
I completely get and respect that, Larry and that this one here is not an objective source.
Think about this: When almost all the MSM, the dems and the justice department are colluding to cover up the extreme Biden corruption............who is left to get the truth from?
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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/86075/#86145
By WxFollower - June 22, 2022, 7:07 p.m.
Mike said:
Neither political party has a franchise on the truth.
If you believe one party all the time......................you will believe in lies some of the time.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/77011/#77012
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So tell me, what is it in the article that is wrong?
Almost every source is biased, some much more than others. I do have the time (fortunately) to fact check and when the information has been vetted........then I use it, especially if its from somebody that I strongly disagree with on other things.
I know this is the opposite of how everybody else thinks and probably sounds confusing.
I will guess, that since this is the 3rd time this has come up with you(and I'm happy you did bring it up) that you are having a very difficult time believing in the Biden family corruption.
I've laid it out in great detail numerous times based on MY objective investigation of the facts(not because I believe somebody else) and assessments. I realize that you're busy but if you DID have the time or desire to see the facts which disagree with what you apparently want to believe.......it's all there.
And its there for you and others to critique and disagree with me based on contradicting FACTS.
I will adjust my opinion for any facts that contradict what I found.
Biden corruption/coverup 10+ times worse than Watergate
14 responses |
Started by metmike - June 9, 2023, 8 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/96097/
MIKE ~ IN THE LATE 80'S, I GOT INTO IT WITH THE IRS. LOLOLOL
THEY TOLD ME THAT I OWED THEM $2,600.00. I KNEW I DIDN'T. WE WENT BACK & FORTH, UNTIL THEY FINALLY GAVE ME A COURT DATE. HARDY, HAR-HAR!
I WROTE BACK & SAID: "JUST CALL ME WILLY NELSON! YOU LET HIM OFF THE HOOK, FOR MILLIONS OF $$$$$$$! I KNOW HOW TO DO TAXES ~ I OWE YOU $0.000.00! SEE YA IN COURT!"
2 WEEKS LATER ~ I GET A LETTER FROM THEM! "OOOOPS! WE FOIND THAT INDEED, WE'D MADE AN ERROR!"
Infractions and coverup more than 10 times worse than Watergate.
Should we rely on sources like this for the truth/facts about it?
After months of investigation and many public accusations of corruption against Mr. Biden and his family, the first report of the premier House G.O.P. inquiry showed no proof of such misconduct.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html
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The cover up, actually is the biggest part of the story by an extremely wide margin.
Politicians taking bribes are nothing new, even millions, though this would be a first for a president/VP getting money from foreign countries. That part is huge. However, when the evidence comes out, they are usually held accountable.
I'M NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE NYT... I CAN'T READ IT.
Jean,
Neither can I read most of the NYT articles. The title tells us what the point is. Cover up!
OKAY... ✔
IT WILL ALWAYS BE A MARVEL TO ME, AS TO HOW WE CAN ALL READ THE SAME THINGS & COMPREHEND THEM SO DIFFERENTLY. BUT... UNLESS A PERSON IS COLOR BLIND, WE ALL AGREE ON COLORS. LOL
THIS GETS DEEPER & DEEPER!!
There will be MUCH more to come about the corruption
those that think we should just trust the blatantly corrupt justice department here with this decision and move on are going to be either surprised by the additional information covered up if they have open eyes or they will try to stay in denial and ignore fact after additional fact that shows the cover up.
there is no way that tons of additional evidence will not keep showing up.
this is not just a conspiracy theory. The Biden’s could stop it immediately by just showing where the millions of dollars came from going into all of their bank accounts.
if they did that, the Rs investigating would look like fools.
instead, it’s denial, lies, cover up’s and protection by the message gate keepers. And accusations of a conspiracy theory, attacking the ones investigating Because they are gathering more and more evidence.
congress cannot charge people with crimes. Only the DOJ can do that. Congress can investigate, however and I guarantee you that this investigation will go on because there is so much more to learn and share with Americans that deserve the truth about the Biden crime family.
the majority of people get their information about the world from their favorite news sources. the vast majority of those sources are colluding on the cover up.
the total opposite of our country during the Watergate
investigation.
times are different. The DOJ and MSM are very corrupt in 2023 and since they also control the messages, legal investigations And prosecutions…..and they know it, this is what we get.
do we really think the DOJ is going to reveal its own corruption?
same with the media. There are no consequences For reporting disinformation or spinning the news or covering up or even lying In the VAST majority of situations.
Fox getting nailed by Dominion was a rare exception related to a unique situation.
all the lies about trump colluding with Russia or hunters lap top being a Russian conspiracy theory or that the Biden’s didnt do anything wrong ……..even after we find out they were lying their arses off……no consequences except that it worked for them when they were lying because they are the sources of the news ……so mainly benefits For doing it.
that’s our world today.
despite that, the Biden family reputation Is in taters and only getting worse because they can’t stop the legit R investigation from uncovering more nd more legit evidence.
How do we know it legit?
because if it wasnt legit, Joe Biden could stop the investigation to a screeching halt by just showing us what the source was and what the business was that generated the many millions of dollars that went into all the Biden family accounts.
if it was legit, not only would the investigation have shown that but Biden would have it.
the money came from Hunter selling VP Biden’s influence to foreign countries, not that different than when he worked as a legal lobbyist for 10 years in the US before going to the corrupt country that his dad was in charge of to exploit Ukraine’s corruption to make the Biden family rich in cahoots with his dad, the big guy.
no question about it.
thats why this will NOT go away.
conspiracy theories gradually get exposed as evidence debunks them.
same thing with the truth. with time, the evidence almost always proves it As long as you have a tenacious entity with investigation powers to show evidence and authentic facts.
that’s why the Bidens goose is cooked in the world of legit facts.
their only hope is for all the powerful entities covering it up and protecting them to continue to lie forever.
when your main defense strategy involves having to constantly lie because you did the crimes, your situation is in grave danger of collapsing against you at any moment based on oodles of legit evidence lurking all over the place, any number of them can emerge at any moment.
And the much more to come continues to gush in with bombshell testimony from extremely credible whistle blowers today!
While the DOJ, dems and MSM completely cover it up.
WOW! This stuff below is just from today!
https://nypost.com/2023/06/22/irs-whistleblowers-say-doj-covered-up-hunter-biden-tax-fraud/
CNN is catching on here!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/irs-whistleblower-hunter-biden/index.html
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There is a near 0% that this is going away. It's only getting worse and worse as the Rs uncover more facts revealing this blatant corruption and cover up.
10+ times worse than Watergate!
It's impossible to imagine that Joe Biden will run again in 2024. The biggest question is........will he resign and what will be his reason for resigning? Or for not running again?
I wild guess that a major illness might emerge as the reason.
The Rs have the goods on the Bidens. Even a protective DOJ and MSM and Ds can't hide the truth anymore.
"NBC Nightly News" was the only network evening broadcast Thursday night to cover whistleblower claims that Hunter Biden got "preferential treatment."
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6329969886112
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Regardless of the outcomes, the legacy and reputation for the Biden family is in tatters............forever.
Who remembers any important legislation or accomplishments while Joe was in office?
Most will remember this REAL scandal (many Ds will remember it as a conspiracy theory to deny it) and even more clearly, what we see with our eyes/ears and brains, including Ds that have got to feel uncomfortable for Joe, once a gifted orator, when they listen to him struggle reading from a teleprompter.
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This plays a role in the results on the graph below. The only group that still approves are the die hard Ds that have tunnel vision and believe everything the blatantly biased, liberal MSM tells them.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
Here's some final poll numbers for presidents going back 70 years:
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/final-presidential-job-approval-ratings
Note the president with the highest poll numbers, Bill Clinton. That's partly because Clinton was extraordinarily sharp and likeable. Gifted charisma and charm.
Reagan and Obama had this gift too and you can see how they were well liked, similar to B. Clinton (H.Clinton was sharp but not likeable).
Bidens falling cognitive skills are making him look more like a crotchety old man, struggling to do presidential things. Americans can like people who match that personality trait in roles that are appropriate but NOT as their president. Trying to pretend Joe is still up to the job is counterproductive to Joe's credibility numbers.
With the popular presidents, the country was going in the right direction too. Clinton worked well with an R controlled Congress.
Carter got clobbered by inflation and the Iran hostages but proved to be the best person of them all by what he did after leaving office.
Greatest FORMER President in history/J. Carter
Started by metmike - Feb. 18, 2023, 7:49 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/93232/
Nixon was, by far the worst. And guess why?
Corruption/dishonesty without the charisma to offset it.
The biggest difference between Biden and Nixon is the environment.
The DOJ and MSN /protect/cover for Biden and censor stuff that, in Nixon's days was front page, bombshell headline news.
I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE OLD MAN BUSH WAS SO HIGH ON THE TOTEM POLE. LOL
EISENHOWER IS MY ALL TIME FAVORITE.
MYYYYYYYYY, HOW THE PARTIES HAVE CHANGED!
THANKS, MIKE
'If searches were blocked, or questions limited, the account could confirm the worst suspicions about this investigation,' Turley said
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They're doing what they always do. Control the narratives, especially with the MSM colluding, along with the Ds. Accuse the other side of being political or using a conspiracy theory(s)...........and outlast the other side until it goes away.
That strategy works most of the time.
Not here. Too much evidence out there and with more gushing in which they CAN'T control. They keep trying to double down. Cover up and defend. Once you've committed to that strategy from the get go, it's hard to change it.
This is how the outcomes work for a strategy like that, in order of best to worst.
1. You're successful from the get go and the problem goes away without much if any damage. This happens frequently and why they use this tactic. It means 0 accountability.
2. You're not successful immediately and the problem lingers for long enough for it to cause damage with X number of people seeing your corruption........before it fades away. This is still better than coming clean and facing the consequences.
3. You've only achieved limited success with convincing people, mainly on your side that you didn't do the fraud because the other side is tenacious and has the goods/evidence on you. You're committed to the strategy because.........that's the strategy that works most of the time and there's no going back This is where we were earlier this year.
4. This is where we are now. Same as #3, except your attempts at damage control are crumbling because your false narratives are being bombarded with authentic facts from the other side that is NOT giving up because they have the truth. Your control of the false narrative ship is sinking and critical decisions must be made that involve considering responses which you rarely have to address. This includes how long to maintain a losing position? Who needs to go when your story changes to the truth?
5. With Watergate, when Nixon hit #4, with the MSM and DOJ being the tenacious investigators, Nixon knew his goose was cooked and resigned. Easy choice. Hanging on would have just increased the damage. In 2023, Biden has the MSM and DOJ as his allies and in fact, that's what makes this 10 times worse than Watergate. So they are fighting way beyond the point when Nixon resigned.
6. Where it goes from here? That depends on whether the gush of damning/compelling evidence continues. Congress has no power to prosecute, only the DOJ can do that. So the DOJ has the authority to do nothing and take this position.........forever and nobody can do anything about these unelected beaucrats controlling the justice system. However, Congress can investigate and so there is absolute certainty that this investigation will continue for awhile. Of course it will. Look at what they are finding. They are accused in the past of doing political investigations, wasting tax payers money and the Ds want to see it that way but everybody else sees this investigation paying monsterous dividends for the American taxpayers by uncovering massive fraud and cover ups! This investigation is worth every penny!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-hunter-biden-case-a-whatsapp-smoking-gun
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Many questions about how this might end. One of the potential outcomes is NOT for it to slowly fade away and get forgotten. The complete opposite is happening and there's no sign of that trend ending.
I really don't know and its only a wild guess that Biden coulld resign, telling us that he has some serious illness. If I was in charge of his damage control team, that would be my advice. After blatantly lying about everything related to Hunter (never discussed his business dealings) hundreds of times, Joe Biden will never come clean with the truth about his lying.
So, we have to understand what the other options are to maximize damage control for the Biden scandal.
Most us will feel compassionate towards a person in that situation, even our opponents and that seems to be his only hope as his reputation/legacy continues to get flushed down the toilet from new authentic facts that are bombarding us constantly.
A resignation, for most Rs is like a victory and negates any point of gathering new information for an impeachment. Joe doesn't have to acknowledge all of his lies and fraudulent activities.
A big issue is having Harris as the acting president. Biden, struggling to hold on to what used to be legit presidential functioning abilities is much better than somebody that is out of her league as president.
Nothing personal against her. I'm a pretty bright guy that can do alot of things but on the best day of my life, I couldn't be the president. This is just over her qualifications.
The D party is having serious discussions about these dynamics behind closed doors. It will be interesting to see what they decide.
'A big issue is having Harris as the acting president. "
THEN... WHO WOULD BE HER VP? MCCARTHY? OR... DOES IT WORK THAT WAY ON A RESIGNATION?? WOULD SHE BE ALLOWED TO PICK HER OWN? IF SO... SHE WILL PICK NEWSOME! IMO
GARLAND & HUNTER HOB-NOBBIN' TOGETHER
WHAT A SHAM THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME~
doubt if this is new news but I never heard this before. I read that not only the Mueller team deleted their gov cell phones they also took it upon themselves to delete Stryuck and Pages along with others head deep in the conspiracy. To jail with all of them now. Mueller always portrayed to be the strong honest straight arrow. What a complete joke and lesson if you happen to be on the right side {the left} anything goes with no consequences including if you are so corrupt as to do something like this. Thank for your service Mueller, you did a hell of a job.
Correct, mcfarm.
The reason there were no prosecutions when the investigators were investigated is because the investigators make a living investigating.
They knew exactly what would be investigated and they destroyed evidence with explanations of what happened to it that defy anything that makes rational sense but they were explanations that they colluded on that couldn't be proven wrong.
At the very least, Durham should have charged them all with obstruction of justice over this below but what evidence could he have used?
You can't prove that somebody wiping their phone clean was not the accident that they all claimed happened and they all picked lots of different reasons intentionally to make it look like they acted independently.
These people know what to do to destroy evidence/cover their tracks.
Wow MM. Seems if I apply that same logic to Trumpy he would of destroyed all those papers, made up some non-sensical explanation and walked right out the door. Of course he would of had to of been a lefty for that to work. A better idea would seem to be the very act of destroying gov property and evidence would of been crime enough.....especially when it has to with crimes of trying to over throw a national presidential election. But then I guess lying thug Comey tried to explain that one way by calling Hillary "wreckless", knowing full well she commited many, many crimes.
Wow MM. Seems if I apply that same logic to Trumpy he would of destroyed all those papers, made up some non-sensical explanation and walked right out the door.
mcfarm,
Your application makes 0 sense based on the actual circumstances. Except that you are unable to tell the difference between when Trump was being singled out and attacked, like in the case of the 2.5 year corrupt Mueller investigation and when he actually did violate laws.
1. 2020 fake election steal that has forever poisoned the mindset of tens of millions of Rs/Americans against our democracy.
2. Refusing to return classified documents that he had no right to possess by every reasonable interpretation/standard.
mcfarm,
Your flawed logic is based on this.
Biden and Clinton got away with stuff, so you think that Trump should be innocent of..........EVERYTHING.
What Trump did, trying to overturn the results of a presidential election is 1 million times worse for this country than what Biden and Clinton got away with.
Biden, personally enriched the corrupt Biden family and Hillary escaped being charged with legit crimes that would not likely have caused her to go to prison.
Trump's off the charts damage to the confidence and integrity for our democratic election system will live on for many, many years and continues to impact the system serving EVERYBODY.
He's created a new strategy for Rs that lose.
Don't concede. Pretend that you won but the other side committed fraud.
This article is more than 1 month old
Arizona high court found no evidence of the failed gubernatorial candidate’s claim of 35,000 fraudulent votes in election
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/04/kari-lake-lawyers-fined-false-factual-statements
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You are always welcome to bring Trump up here, mcfarm.
You are very much encouraged to pay attention when I do an objective, non political fact check with tons of evidence to obliterate your position on Trump.
This is nothing personal. I know that you believe this sincerely and are NOT being a troll trying to start trouble with others. I can tell the difference.
You are just going to sites that tell you what you want to hear/read. Echo chambers.
don't know how we talk past each other so often anymore. We rarely used to do that. Example, "what Trump did {throw the election you say} is a million times worse than Biden and Clinton. Mike, for god's sake have you not even noticed Obama, Biden and Clinton and many others in their circles, all tried to throw 2 elections?
LOL MCFARM ~ WE JUST GOTTA REMEMBER 2 THINGS >
1. WE DON'T THINK LIKE MIKE... 2. NEITHER OF THE 3 OF US ARE EVER, EVER GONNA CHANGE OUR MINDS. HHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MAKE IT FUNNNN
Thanks, Jean,
That’s where you are wrong. I totally respect all your opinions including when I disagree but Speak for yourself on never changing your minds.
I voted for trump in 2016 and support him, still to this day on the corrupt mueller investigation.
you can see how my views now, no longer support trump and I provide all the facts and evidence for why.
I let facts and the objective truth with an open mind that applies the scientific method Steer my thoughts.
I also voted for Obama in 2008, then became NEVER Obama after observing him in action.
you guys are so confused by this because you expect me to be like everybody else.……part of a tribe that stands with the rest of his tribe…..defining the world thru a lens which filters out things which contradict what he wants to believe and let’s things in that he wants to believe.
you see me going after Biden and mueller with gusto and strongly agreeing with YOUR tribe on some things and think I must belong to your tribe.
we all share something in common, being part of humanity which is my bond with you and everyone here but I have no affiliation with the R tribe or the D tribe that see the world based on their never changing political belief systems that often completely contradict each other using the exact same set of facts.
I've even greatly adjusted my views on religion the last couple of decades which is something completely based on faith/which can't be proven.
I greatly admired Fauci in the first year of COVID fighting(2020) and have done a big turnaround (COVID came from a lab in Wuhan without a doubt) but still don't line up with the tactics and reasoning of the right, especially with regards to their DISinformation on COVID vaccines that killed 100,000 anti COVID vaccine Rs in the first year after the vaccines came out.
On energy policies and climate change, we have the exact same views.
On health insurance, I'm strongly for a more socialized form of medicine to fix the most broken medical insurance and drug cost system in the world. ...........and I was originally very opposed to Obama-care.
Private health insurance, the pharmaceutical industry and corrupt politicians taking lobby money make it impossible for the current system to work for many tens of millions of Americans.
Many Rs are against Obama-care ...........because it came from Obama.
There's nobody more against Obama's fake climate crisis but I embrace his constructive ideas (that don't go far enough) to help fix our broken health care system.
Read this if you aren't completely convinced that Hunter Biden committed dozens of crimes that went unprosecuted and uncharged because he's Joe's son.
The cover up of all this stuff by the DOJ and MSM is what makes it 10+ times worse than Watergate. There is no question about it!
The facts are below. It's mind boggling that somebody could get away with all of this, when we can read all about it from one of the very few legit, investigation journalists.
by Byron York, Chief Political Correspondent | June 26, 2023 01:10 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/stuff-hunter-biden-didnt-get-indicted
As I've been saying. This stuff is legit and there's just way, way too much evidence out there, much of which hasn't even been uncovered yet for it to just...........go away because the DOJ and MSM claim the matter is resolved.
The DOJ is corrupt beyond belief!
They actually had verified the laptop as legit for a year when they wrote the letter, signed by 51 corrupt top DOJ officials claiming it looked like it came from Russian DISinformation.
More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice president’s son.
10/19/2020 10:30 PM EDT
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276
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"Despite the FBI’s internal corroboration, 51 former US intelligence agency leaders signed a pre-election letter saying that the laptop had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
Most news outlets ignored the laptop’s contents until well after Biden won the 2020 election, with the Washington Post and New York Times saying only in March 2022 that they had confirmed the authenticity of files."
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In a just world, we would hold these corrupt/law breaking people accountable. Clean house and start over because its clear, that systemic corruption and blatant abuse of laws and weaponizing the justice department(covering up crimes) has been going on with impunity, no accountability for so long that its IMPOSSIBLE to reform people with this ingrained mindset.
Being corrupt, then controlling the narratives with no oversight totally defines them.
That's what they are doing again here and if history repeats for the umpteenth time the last decade, their tactics, with the MSM and benefactors (D party) colluding will feed Americans dozens of false narratives/lies for damage control and wait for it to blow over.
That might happen again.
But THIS TIME is different.
The smartest man that Joe Biden knows gifted the world with a detailed record of much of his criminal behavior, with numerous crimes dating back for a decade which we are verifying out the wazoo.
And we are verifying the cover up from the DOJ because we know where to look now and have whistle blowers, that can come out because of that.
Durham tried to do this related to the blatantly corrupt Mueller investigation but the DOJ destroyed the evidence needed and controlled the situation with false narratives.
However, the smartest man Joe Biden knows, not only did NOT destroy the evidence ........he gave it to Rs/the honest world on a silver platter, from being not so smart when he was on a drug binges. So they can't fake their way out of this one.
Considering the extent of Hunters REAL crimes not discussed in the nonsense plea agreement, meant for us to debate over those baby crimes and forget about all the stuff 20 times worse, one can guess that anybody else would have been locked up many years ago and received 25+ years in prison for being a repeat offender of some very serious violations.
And this doesn't even include the tens of millions he bilked from foreign countries in partnership with his dad with their influence peddling schemes.
The biggest question is what did Joe promise the targets to get those millions?
Foreign aid?
Political favors?
They didn't send the money for no reason and the Biden's did NOT have a legit business.
More great, HONEST work from authentic investigation journalists at the Washington Examiner!
by Washington Examiner June 27, 2023 05:01 AM
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Joe Biden needs to resign or he should be impeached but the thing that's so extremely bad is the cover up by the DOJ and MSM.
You see, there has always been and will always be very corrupt people like the Bidens in our country.
However, when the entities that we trust to enforce laws and to investigate corruption, intentionally participate in and cover up/censor corruption for their own self serving agenda..........now that's when the United States has a REAL problem.