https://www.newsweek.com/amid-unconscionable-suffering-death-gaza-needs-ceasefire-opinion-1912638
Instead of advancing human rights, the U.S. has equivocated on the binding nature of UN Security Council resolutions and attempted to discredit the international justice system. In fact, President Biden's support of the government of Israel as it continues its unlawful siege, engineered famine, and attacks on Palestinian civilians has done untold damage to the international human rights system that has grown since the end of WWII.
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8 months of these relentless state sponsored war crimes.
8 months of decimating 2 million innocent human beings, majority children and women.
8 months is much too long for this to be seen as a temporary oversight.
8 months of enabling by the US at best and much worse, sending thousands of massive bombs that were used to obliterate Gaza and defining it as "Israel defending itself".
8 months is much too long for people that have objective eyes to not see with clarity, the difference between right and wrong.
8 months is much too long for people with a conscience to stand by and say nothing or do nothing.
8 months is much too long for the entire world to witness these relentless, horrific crimes and not understand the diabolical, pathological minds of the elite, gatekeepers who run the political agenda in Israel and the United States.
8 months is much too long for the entire world to witness the 80,000 massive bombs dropped and not know the power of the Military-Industrial-Political-Media-Lobby complex.
8 months is much too long for us to witness the words of individual bought and paid for politicians, like Lindsey Graham who not only support this atrocity but are active cheerleaders with words like "Israel should bomb Gaza like it's Hiroshima!"
8 months is much too long for us to hear constantly on Fox News that this is "Israel defending itself" and NEVER indicating fault on the part of Israel to not understand their complete inability to show empathy, while displaying blatant, pathological political bias for ratings generated profits.
8 months is much too long for this to NOT provide profoundly powerful incentive to extremely offensive hate groups that have greatly amplified antisemitism as they unjustifiably target innocent Jewish people that are NOT responsible, regardless of whether the targets use their God given right to have an opinion or be born into a nationality.
8 months is much too long for this to NOT provide profoundly powerful incentive to the extremists that oppose this, that will resort to terrorism to hold the United States accountable. With an open border the past 3 years, there are likely thousands of terrorists in our country that are, at this moment plotting retribution for our crimes in Gaza (as well as Ukraine) with the exact same frame of mind as those on 9-11-01!
8 months is much too long for this to NOT become more than a footnote in world history books that will be read by all future generations. This is NOT Hitler or WW2 but the US and Israel will be there, in the same category, without a doubt, with us being seen as perpetrators of intentional state sponsored genocide/ethnic cleansing for political agenda and indoctrinated hatred/revenge.
8 months is much too long for this to have NOT greatly eroded our credibility on the global stage in 2024 and many years to come. The world cannot UNSEE what it has just witnessed the past 8 months. The world knows who the perpetrators of these horrific crimes are. The world knows that the perpetrators are only getting away with it because of abusing their massive technological superiority and power that nobody can stop. The world knows that these acts are cowardly, morally deprived acts of collective punishment to 2 million innocents.
There is no going back. It's happened for 8 months. THAT DAMAGE is done forever. Are we going to let it stretch out to 9 months???
https://jewishinsider.com/2023/06/barbara-lee-abraham-accords-envoy-bill-vote/ so Lee took the best chance ever for peace so seriously that she voted in ERROR. Damn, she been taking lessons from the Clintons? Also notice the rest of the non-supporters and wonder where are they now with all the recent death and destruction including the looney left women in our congress that consider Hamas a legitimate ally in their fight to defeat little satan and the BIG BAD Satan as well. Welcome to America you devils.
Thanks much, mcfarm.
The Rs like to portray the Abraham Accords as something that it was not...........fair to both sides.
Here are the facts:
Re: Re: Re: Iran responds to Israel's unprovoked attack
By metmike - May 28, 2024, 11:03 a.m.
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Agreed, Mike, that 8 months is too long. I’ve been against Bibi and his far right coalition’s over aggressive war policies as I’ve said many times. No change for me. War is ugly but to me this much aggression has been both unnecessarily killing/hurting way too many innocent civilians as well as heavily damaging infrastructure and leading to starvation.
But keep in mind Hamas’ part in all of this, too. Besides the horrendous 10/7 attack, they’ve been using innocents as human shields with no care about their survival. They’ve made sure that numerous innocents would be killed no matter what Israeli leaders decided in response to hurt Israeli PR. They have always wanted Israel to be destroyed. It is in their charter. So, Israel wanting them destroyed is understandable.
But regardless, 8 months of the over-aggressiveness has been too long. I’ve never wavered!
But you know what else has gone on too long? 2,000 years of anti-semitism ever since Jews lost their homeland in the Middle East and became exiles. So, Jews are under never ending challenges, likely more than any other group in history. Think about that, a target on their backs for 2,000 yrs!! Never forget:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism
More on A.S.: the 2K yrs of widespread A.S. started with the Roman destruction of the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. It culminated in the killing of 2/3, that’s right, 2/3 of European Jews in the Holocaust! Never forget!
Hamas, the Iranian fanatical extremist leaders, and others in the Middle East want Israel to be destroyed. Think about that! The Jews didn’t have a safe haven homeland for 1,878 yrs until the creation of Israel.
Think about being born into a group whose membership has had a target on their backs for 2,000 yrs! What a way to live. It isn’t easy for others to empathize. It is scary, frustrating, and downright maddening all at the same time.
Thanks, Larry!
That's why this needs to stop.
Antisemitism INCIDENTS ARE up by triple digit % in many place BECAUSE OF what the Jewish State, Israel is doing in Gaza. We should be focusing on REDUCING INCIDENTS AND FIGHTING AGAINST LONG LIVED ANTISEMITISM IN SOCIETY.
I especially admire Jewish people that have the courage to separate themselves from the politics, long lived indoctrination and rhetoric defining the dynamics for some the past 8 months(centuries) and instead, use RIGHT vs WRONG and humanity to see with crystal clarity.
Focusing instead on ending the war in Gaza. To save the innocents in Gaza. To save Israel's future and begin repairing the unprecedented damage to Israel's credibility.
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"Not in our/my Name!"
Resisting the temptation to be defensive and instead, they focus on a message that puts the blame squarely on the people at the very root cause of this.
The governments and DIABOLICAL POLITICIANS/LEADERS of Israel and the United States!
Mike said: “Antisemitism is up by triple digit % in many place BECAUSE OF what the Jewish State, Israel is doing in Gaza.”
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Hey Mike,
If I were wording this, I’d change that from A.S. to “A.S. incidents” tripled. An unknown % of the folks committing these incidents were already A.S. Of course, there’s absolutely no legit excuse for anyone anywhere to commit A.S. incidents/be anti-semitic regardless of what Israeli leaders have decided to do in this war. They as a group have been victims of A.S. for 2,000 yrs!
How about this:
Antisemitism INCIDENTS ARE up by triple digit % in many place BECAUSE OF what the Jewish State, Israel is doing in Gaza. We should be focusing on REDUCING INCIDENTS AND FIGHTING AGAINST LONG LIVED ANTISEMITISM IN SOCIETY.
Hey Mike,
That sounds more accurate to me. Thanks.
Hey Mike,
I bet you’ll like this tweet’s Tik Tok from lib Jewish American Lily Greenberg, whose view I bet closely represents a large portion of lib Jewish Americans. She resigned from the Biden Admin over their Israeli policy. She’s against AIPAC because she doesn’t feel it cares about Jews and Israelis but rather is pretty much a pro war lobby that hides behind the Jewish people. She implied she used to be pro-AIPAC. Keep in mind that most Jewish Americans are lib (to the dismay of mcfarm).
She calls the many deaths and much destruction “genocide” in Gaza, which is very highly debatable. But the point of my posting this isn’t to debate that. It is to show that American Jews are very far from being a monolith and that a large portion are against the current Israeli war policy (not “anti-Israel”, which I’d consider anti-semitic):
Thanks, Larry!
Israel has only itself to blame for this continuing escalation because of its crystal clear ethnic cleansing/genocide by ALL LEGIT OBJECTIVE STANDARDS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-g3tHgUfW0
For those that disagree, I ask if Israel is better off or worse off today than 8 months ago?
Is Israel more or less respected in 90% of the world?
Is there more antisemitism or less antisemitism in our country and most countries in the world?
Has Israel used tens of billion in resources that could have been spent on more productive things that benefited Israel or was this the most productive use of the money?
Does the country of Israel have more enemies or less enemies and are its enemies more determined to destroy Israel or less determined to destroy Israel?
Why are the pro Israel sources pushing so hard for the WORST POSSIBLE agenda and path forward?
With friends like this.............who needs enemies (which Israel already has big time).
I am a FRIEND OF ISRAEL!
Sad to see them destroying themselves under the pretense of eliminating Hamas.
There are something like 20,000 members of Hamas which they are NOT going to eliminate as they commit outrageous war atrocities, almost daily that enrage most of the world.
But there are 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world.
That's 100,000 Muslims for every 1 member of Hamas. It's retarded math and logic to try to target Hamas, blatantly violating most Muslims (and the rest of the world to some extent) this way and magnify the hate and incentive to wipe out Israel in a group that is 100,000 times larger than Hamas.
Netanyahu is a diabolical, charismatic psychopath leading a profoundly powerful country that is blatantly abusing their technological advantage to obliterate 2 million innocent people, mostly children and women.
With 100% confidence, Netanyahu's legacy in the history books that generations to come read about, will describe a very evil man with ethical/moral depravity, listed in the pathetic leaders hall of fame for state sponsored humanity violations.
Mike said:
“There are something like 20,000 members of Hamas which they are NOT going to eliminate.
But there are 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world.
That's 100,000 Muslims for every 1 member of Hamas. It's retarded math and logic to try to target Hamas, blatantly violating most Muslims (and the rest of the world to some extent) this way and magnify the hate and incentive to wipe out Israel in a group that is 100,000 times larger than Hamas.”
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Hey Mike,
I understand. But keep in mind that the 20K or so Hamas members (per your #) were mostly within what were 2,000,000 Gazans at the start of the war. That’s 100 times instead of 100,000 times. Is that a better way to assess the ratio? Why are you comparing the number of Hamas members with worldwide Muslim pop.?
Building on a successful playbook from 2022, AIPAC and other aligned groups are picking their targets — many more of them this time.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/03/aipac-israel-spending-democratic-primaries-00144552
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Instead of trying to silence people who are justifiably critical of an evil agenda and make themselves look bad for supporting a continuation of the evil regime that is, ironically destroying Israel's credibility, AIPAC would better serve Israel by taking a clear thinking, rational path forward which seeks, not to eliminate opposition but to eliminate its own destructive forces from within.
Thanks, Larry,
I disagree. Maybe the point wasn’t made clear.
The entire world is viewing and reading about these events all day long.
There is widespread outrage by billions NOT living in Gaza......that ARE NOT Hamas.
This war is providing massive incentive to hate Jews and Israel AROUND THE WORLD.
This war is providing massive incentive for others to obtain the MINDSET of Hamas and want to hurt Israel/Jews to hold them accountable for their ethnic cleansing/atrocities.
The metric I’m comparing with is THE MUSLIM WORLD.
This is still ignoring the other 6 billion people, some of which are outraged and incentivized to hate Israel.
The pro Israel groups appear to be completely oblivious to this fact with their counterproductive defending of this genocide.
Netanya is loving all the chaos in the US.........taking the heat off of his genocide in Gaza.
Biden, who spent a great deal of time talking and threatening but had no actions is now no longer relevant.
Israel is looking forward to a Trump regime soon with his long history of being anti Muslim, pro Israel. His one sided, Trump Peace Plans/Abraham Accords being solid evidence.
Great deal..........for Israel.
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We're well over 9 months into this!
Netanyahu speaking before Congress to a standing ovation.
more evidence of how a Diabolical psychopath, who has control in a powerful country can commit horrific crimes, genocide with impunity and manufacture a nonsense justification to obliterate 2 million innocent people, mostly children and women is respected by similar diabolical mindsets in their world…POLITICiANS abusing human beings for their self serving agendas.
Treating them as worthless units. Discarding their lives like taking out the trash. Heartless and uncaring, wreaking havoc on many millions of people in our world and their families…….to get what THEY want for THEMselves.
Is this peaceful protesting?
Thanks much, Larry!
THIS IS EXACTLY MY POINT.
Netanyahu has single handedly done what no Israel/Jew hating person has been able to do in decades.
Tripled repulsive antisemitism and hatred for Jews and for Israel around the world.
Destroying Israel's credibility around the world.
Then, when some of the NOT PEACEFUL protesters that are especially ticked off at the massive, state sponsored genocide/war crimes stir up violence(which was your response), WHICH IS WRONG.... we hear/read the same deflection and lack of fully acknowledging the truth........the cause of ALL THE PROTESTS, mostly peaceful.
We hear/read "Look everybody, more antisemitism that has been around for over 100+ years and this is the reason.........people that have always hated Jews". According to Netanyahu, Fox News and others, people like me are pro Hamas and antisemitic by definition because we disagree with Netanyahu and them........even though we have all the authentic facts ON OUR SIDE.
I've been as pro Israel and admire jewish people as much as anybody on the planet most of my life. This is also 1 reason I want this to stop. Israel is its own worst enemy right now by an extremely wide margin.
This defending and supporting Israel by so called friends, so they can continue on a ruinous path with self inflicted damage. Flushing massive resources down the toilet to kill mostly children and women, massively increasing enemies to many more than existed before the war. Many more than the total numer in Hamas(providing hate and destroy Israel/Jewish people incentives that are several orders of magnitude greater than before the war to countless millions in the world) is nuts.
Creating outrage in the vast majority of countries.
Then, blaming it on long lived antisemism. This manufactured reality is galactically out of touch with the REAL world.t
But people will just believe the version they want to be true.
Netanyahu is a greatly gifted/charismatic charlatan that cares most about saving his own skin from the Netanyahu corruption trials being postponed because of his war on Gaza.
He's here to get more money/weapons/support from the United States for his extremely offensive ethnic cleansing endeavor.
Politicians are horrible human beings!!!
Grassroots activists from an array of anti-war, Palestinian, and Jewish groups will travel to Washington to protest Netanyahu's speech to the US Congress on Wednesday
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/26079
The United Auto Workers (UAW), one of the largest trade unions in the US, will take part in a mass demonstration in Washington on 24 July to protest Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to the US capital the same day.
The union stated, “This week, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to come to Congress to ask our government to keep supporting this war [in Gaza]. We reject this insult to all those calling for peace and justice.”
Reuters reported on Tuesday that police expect a “large number of demonstrators” and were making additional security arrangements for Netanyahu’s visit to address a joint session of the US Congress on Wednesday.
Netanyahu will also meet US President Joe Biden, who has not appeared publicly since an announcement stating he would withdraw from November’s presidential race.
Pro-Palestinian groups and college students have protested US support for Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in Gaza since October, amid crackdowns by police and college administrators.
A long list of grassroots peace groups participated in organizing the upcoming protest, including the ANSWER Coalition, the Palestinian American Community Center, CodePink, Jewish Voice for Peace, American Muslims for Palestine, the Palestinian Youth Movement, the People’s Forum, and Al-Awda: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition.
CodePink, a group led by long-time anti-war activist Madea Benjamin, told Reuters organizers had arranged buses for human rights advocates to come to Washington from states nationwide.
Hey Larry,
With your video of some protesters getting violent, what % of ALL the protesters do you think that represented?
Did you know that with these incidents, they are sometimes provoked by pro Jewish COUNTER protesters that confront and and provoke peaceful pro Palestinian protesters?
What % of the protesters do you think are there because they actually care about Palestinians?
What % doesn't care about Palestinians but are just protesting because they hate Jews? a
Do you think protesting in the United States should be legal..........even if a tiny fraction get violent?
Mike said:
“Hey Larry,
With your video of some protesters getting violent, what % of ALL the protesters do you think that represented?
Wx: Likely a small %. News coverage naturally goes toward the violent because of higher ratings. “If it bleeds it leads.” Numerous Jews protested peacefully. I’m proud to see them.
MM: Did you know that with these incidents, they are sometimes provoked by pro Jewish COUNTER protesters that confront pro Palestinian protesters.
Wx: Yes. I saw a very ugly counter protest at UCLA in spring.
MM: What % of the protesters do you think are there because they actually care about Palestinians?
Wx: Great Q. I have no idea. At all protests for different causes there’s typically a nontrivial % that aren’t sincere. In this case that would include those who were already anti-Semites.
MM: What % doesn't care about Palestinians but are just protesting because they hate Jews?
Wx: An unknown %. Nobody knows. Hopefully a small %. After all, many are Jews, themselves. Good.
MM: Do you think protesting in the United States should be legal..........even if a tiny fraction get violent?
Wx: Absolutely! That’s one of the things that makes America great!
Thanks very much for thoughtfully and honestly answering those questions, Larry!
your views and feelingson this as a practicing Jew should always carry a great deal of weight compared to a Gentile/non Jew.
I have some extremely strong feelings but want you to know that they are driven in part by an objectI’ve of reducing the current, very offensive and REAL surge in antisemitism.
watching our despicable politicians give a standing ovation to the cause of a huge, global increase in antisemitism and to such an evil man is so profoundly telling.
They show very strong support for the exact cause of the recent off the charts increase of unacceptable antisemitism around the world…….and sell it to us a pro Israel support and policy.
Complete Unethical, sell serving bullshit.
Politicians are mostly driven by lobby money, especially from the extremely rich and powerful military-industrial complex. The Jewish coalition/lobby money also bribes a great deal of politicians, like Lindsey Graham…..who sells his soul to the lobbyist devils.
Netanyahu came here to ensure a continuation of the massive supplies of US made 1,000+ pound bombs, jets and other war tools that he needs to continue his ethnic cleansing and war crimes.
And the Jewish controlled media, like Fox News spins it into the exact opposite of this truth described above.
”Israel defending itself”
Thats such a dang ludicrous lie to anybody with objective eyes……which is most of the world. Dropping 80,000 bombs indiscriminately on 2 million mostly children and women, completely obliterating their entire country is making the military-industrial-POLITICAL-media complex RICH!!!
Thats the REAL reason for the standing ovation and support.
These SOBs, in collusion with our ratings seeking, for profit media are using this war to increase their wealth and political standing in their party.
Netanyahu is using it to postpone or avoid his widespread corruption trial.
Who the heck is speaking out for the millions of human beings getting decimated in Gaza to help enrich our politicians???
PROTESTORS!!!
That’s why Netanyahu vilifies them. They’re one of few factions of people that actually care about the human beings.
Dishonestly Twisting their objective into one of hating Israel and Jewish people so that people won’t listen to their REAL message.
Which, for the vast majority of protesters, from what I observe, is in sync with my message.
This is why the protestors at the colleges want the colleges to cut off the flow of investments into the military industrial complex being enriched by wars.
This massive flow of money is another cash cow that feeds into the system that enriches our corrupt politicians with lobby bribes and job rewards after they retire.
Thats the REAL reason they are for the war and against the protesters trying to expose/bust the system I just described.
Spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to perpetuate their immoral, self enriching schemes that are so costly to human lives and result in counterproductive spending of our tax dollars.
That’s the dynamic that our politicians gave a standing ovation to yesterday.
These are the same divisive, political crud’s that rarely agree on anything.
However, since BOTH parties benefit greatly from huge sums of lobby money, they had no problem making an exception for bipartisan support for dirty money that gushes into the,pockets of both Rs and Ds.
You’re welcome.
Mike said: “And the Jewish controlled media, like Fox News spins it into the exact opposite of this truth described above.”
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Hey Mike,
Please be careful with using awful phrases like the bolded. I know you’re obviously not anti-semitic, but this is a phrase often used by anti-semites (anti-semitic trope) and is painful to see here. The “Jewish controlled” anything trope is routinely trotted out by anti-semites and has lead to terrible things against the Jewish community. I’m requesting that you be more careful and not use this or similar phrases. Please. Otherwise, I’m going to make sure I respond similarly in the future.
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/control
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/are-we-sure-jews-control-the-media/amp/
Thanks much, Larry.
You know I try to avoid mischaracterizing in any way shape and form. On this, I will STRONGLY stand by the statement but make a slight adjustment for you because I did some extensive research to determine whether it's true or not and will share that again.
I'm totally convinced that the Jewish community has a greatly outsized impact in the media based on the facts and that they flex their media and celebrity muscles frequently to impact important issues.......and have the evidence.
You posted an article from somebody that cherry picked MSNBC's interview with Hamas as evidence that it isn't so.
You also posted a statement from the American jewish Committee that claims this:
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/control
False reports that claim Jews control the media, banks, and governments are part of a longstanding conspiracy of secret Jewish power. This antisemitic trope is rooted in the discredited publication, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was published in Russian tsarist times and accused Jews of trying to control the world
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I claim both those sources are full of donkey dung and THEY are the ones, either in denial or trying to mislead people.
I worked in the media for 11 years. That doesn't mean anything but words if there's no authentic evidence to go along with it, which I compiled in comprehensive fashion here:
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100698/#100864
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100698/#100865
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100698/#100870
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/100698/#100872
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I do respect your feelings and opinions and will rephrase my original statement to something that can be 100% backed up by the facts above and appreciate you pointing this out so that I can improve on the statement to make it specifically factual.
Original: And the Jewish controlled media, like Fox News spins it into the exact opposite of this truth described above.”
Adjusted verbiage: The outsized Jewish control of the media which translates into a very strong Israel/Jewish-centric bias in the overall coverage. Fox News is the most powerful example of this.
Sorry I can't do any better than that but your beef is not with me, it's with Mr. Authentic Fact and with people claiming authentic facts are slanderous, hateful tropes and conspiracy theories.
We know, based on human nature, that whenever any particular group has an outsized impact in an industry.........whether it's Jewish or not they usually exploit that influence, often to benefit their self serving interests. Sometimes, those interests are to help other people. In this case, it's to benefit Israel/Jews.
This is absolutely NOT antisemitic to apply that principle to this case, along with the rock solid evidence to prove it to be true. People refusing to see this are just believing what they want or wish was true.
I greatly appreciate you confronting me on that statement and giving me the opportunity to either prove it or change it. I tried to do both. Proved it AND adjusted it to be more accurate.
I posted the following elsewhere when someone implied that the Dem party supports violent protests like that one in DC yesterday:
“I would hope the bulk of Dems don’t actually support violent ‘protest’ and graffiti outrightly stating support for Hamas, who wants to destroy Israel. There’s a huge difference between supporting peaceful protest and supporting this craziness. This violence and hatred only hurts those peacefully trying to get Israel war policy to change.
I do believe that many in the left wing of the Dems unfortunately do border on this extremist and hateful view (clearly supporting Hamas) and thus sadly at least border on being anti-Semitic. But I don’t think that’s most Dems overall.
Being against Israeli war policy by itself isn’t anti-Semitic. But being against its existence clearly is. And there are many anti-Semites being dishonest by saying they’re just anti-Israel policy.
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Also in response to someone who said that many pro-Israel lobbyists say criticizing Israeli war policy are anti-Semitic I said this:
“I don’t agree with those who play that card. It isn’t good to cheapen the use of the word anti-Semitism. I mean even many Jewish Americans have been protesting Israeli war policy, including in D.C. yesterday. The bulk of them still favor Israel existing and aren’t self-hating (I assume). The entire issue is complex.”
I agree with what Harris said here (see image below) very much. There were many peaceful protests yesterday in D.C. against Israel's war policy, including by many Jews. But this was not in the least in addition to outrightly supporting Hamas (who doesn't even support Israel's right to exist) and only serves to undercut what the peaceful protestors are trying to accomplish.
Mike and others, do you agree with what Harris said here?
I strongly agree 100% with this view, Larry.........but where is the condemnation for the 100 times worse wrong going on in Gaza, right now?
Instead, we just invited the war criminal doing it to speak before Congress to generate more weapons and support from the United States and he got a standing ovation and round after round of applause.
At least she choose NOT to be there, as did a couple of other Ds that have their ethical compasses turned on for this topic.
My strong personal view, based on history and politicians is that Biden and now Harris are just making statements like this based on what will net them the most votes in November.
The Rs pretty much align with Israel........NO MATTER WHAT.
Harris (previously Biden) have a tougher voter dynamic with a pro Palestinian minority, rightfully extremelly upset at the Palestinian Genocide being perpetrated in Gaza with the US supporting it with our 2,000 lb bombs, jets and other resources, along with verbal cheerleading of the ethnic cleansing effort..
damn Larry, you really fail to see the politics here. Don't you know this was about 3 years too damn late after the BLM shit and what this dispicable idiot did and did not do during the burning of our cities and murders, rapes police deaths etc that came with her and her get out of jail free policies.
Right MM 8 months is too damn long. More Israel hostages found dead today
Hey mc,
The illegal immigration issue was Biden’s (along with his cognitive issues) and is now especially Harris’ biggest weakness imo. I acknowledge that.
This evening Harris made 6 minutes of remarks after meeting with Netanyahu: any opinions?
She hit all the right notes and she looked presidential doing it.
Well done Madam President!!
She said some great things.........to get elected.
I had to chuckle at the use of this very sensitive and important issue for obvious political posturing ahead of the November election.
As we know, the pro Palestinian element of the D party is very upset with the US support for Israel. Trust me, I know. I'm in Dearborn Michigan right now with my 98+ year old Dad. Only town in the United States with an Arab mayor ~40% of the population is Arab. It's nicknamed "The Middle East of North America".
I grew up with adversarial thoughts about their religious views and them because of the contrast with the Catholic faith that I was indoctrinated into. As an adult, I can appreciate them as good human beings and Americans, even despite the personal sadness of going back to the old neighborhood and seeing all the businesses and my Catholic school being gone. Replaced by businesses with outside signage in Arabic which people like me can't even understand.
Anyway, less than a week ago, President Joe Biden continued to be the main guy providing Americans with statements that represent the position of this Administration......because he was the one running for president then as well as BEING the president.
Since he withdrew from the race just 5 days ago and Harris is the one that will be running, SUDDENLY she is the one. So they manufactured a reality of Kamala Harris being the key contact and perception that she is running the show...........like a president in order to create the illusion that she is the one in charge, not Biden, entirely for political posturing ahead of the election.
Obviously, Netanyahu did NOT like them using the Israel relationship and dynamic for public political posturing to help Harris get elected.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/26/israel-netanyahu-harris-ceasefire-hostage-deal-talks
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Since the Harris position is closer to mine, I liked the verbiage of the staged presentation that suddenly elevated her messaging environment to one with a presidential look for clear political posturing to the left voters upset with Biden's position.
But I don't center my opinions based on what I want to believe. They come from objective observations that dial in ALL the realities, to the extent possible for me.
Hey Mike,
How are you (assuming you intend to vote for him) going to handle Trump’s seeming lack of empathy for the Palestinians in Gaza (and Muslims in general)? I’d think he’d be more apt to green light anything Netanyahu wants to do and provide him whatever he wants vs Harris. Thanks.
Larry,
I believe that Trump has the wrong policies in the Middle East as do most US politicians as evidenced this week in Congress In my opinion.
He also tried to overturn the 2020 election using diabolical schemes and his personality and lies have always turned me off.
That last one was bad enough for me to be unable to imagine voting for him again............3 years ago.
Then, we were subjected to some of the worst policies in recent decades.
1. Biden, as VP exploited Ukraine's corruption to enrich his family to the tune of millions then played the lead role in hijacking Zelensky for his/NATO's agenda.........sending hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians on suicide missions for NATO and calling it "supporting Ukraine" when Ukraine has always been crystal clear......they want peace with Russia and not NATO. He played a role in Ukraine being turned into a dictatorship, after Zelensky's term expired.
2. The most disastrous southern border policy in US history. Who was the border czar? Harris! If she can't handle that, how is she going to handle being the president of EVERYTHING?
3. The worst energy policy in history based on a fake climate crisis, crony capitalism, political agenda, dishonest, activist, ratings seeking, sensationalizing media reporting and greatly misled buten sincere environmentalists (I'm a practicing OUTRAGED, environmentalist and atmospheric scientist).
Which of these things/people has and will do more damage to our world and the United States?
Which of these things/people caused more deaths?
Dial in all the completely manufactured Trump crimes, starting with the 2.5 year corrupt Mueller investigation into fake collusion with Russia to discredit his 2016 win, then the recent nonsense crimes in NY........ and the choice for me on July 26, 2024 is NOT Kamala Harris and NOT the party hooking up with the corrupt justice system to weaponize it!
However, it's possible that Trump could do something even more insane(and I can't stand listening to him) that MIGHT alter my decision which would likely just be a NOT vote.
I can't vote for Kennedy because he's another nut case.
Trump said Harris was “disrespectful to Israel” in her remarks to reporters after her meeting with Netanyahu.
“I think her remarks were disrespectful,” Trump told CNN’s Kristen Holmes on Friday. “They weren’t very nice pertaining to Israel. I actually don’t know how a person who is Jewish could vote for her, but that’s up to them.”
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/07/26/politics/trump-netanyahu-meeting-mar-a-lago
What is Trump talking about? It isn’t surprising based on what I just said about the lack of empathy for Palestinian civilians. I vehemently disagree. Trump is easily the worst candidate as regards support for them. Bernie is spot on imo:
“Yesterday, Mr. Netanyahu lied.Israel continues to block food, water, and medical supplies from reaching desperate people. Today, some 495,000 Palestinians face starvation. We will not be distracted from the illegal and immoral policies of his government.”
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1816594140542488780?
Thanks much, Larry!
Bernie is spot on here. He and I see this issue EXACTLY the same and of course, he's Jewish.
I couldn't disagree more with the R position on Israel. This is the one that Trump favors.
Netanyahu, clearly prefers Trump as president for this reason.
It's all political and driven by the military-industrial-political-media complex with its dirty lobby money(bribes) that includes Jewish coalitions that have an over weighted impact in our country.
My personal views do NOT line up with any person of any party, other than being pretty close to Rand Paul, the Libertarian.
That's because I pick and choose based on authentic facts/evidence and science. Political parties have numerous issues that define the party, where everybody in the party supports those issues, which are often the complete opposite of the position of the other party.
Bernie, who I agree in Gaza, is completely out to lunch on the fake climate crisis. His extreme statements are pure fiction. Laughable, anti science, anti physics, anti economy, anti environmental solutions based entirely on his political agenda:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/22/bernie-sanders-2020-climate-change-1471638
"Bernie Sanders: ‘Major Cities Going Under Water’ in ‘8 or 9 Years’ Due to Climate Change"
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/46122/
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| In 2022, people no longer need to believe their eyes and ears, especially in politics but even in science, when politics hijacks science for an agenda. They can just decide what they want to believe or a message gatekeeper in their party can tell them what to believe and repeat it enough times that it becomes THEIR truth. They just convince themselves that manufactured/alternative realities that they like are true and completely reject the authentic truths that contradict anything that they don't want to believe. Then, only go to places that reinforce what they want to believe. |
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/90049/#90062
I'm sure you've noted that I bash BOTH political sides about the same.............as an ANTI echo chamber that takes positions based on authentic, apolitical truths.
In today's age of echo chambers getting ALL the traffic with their 1 sided views exploiting our politically divided country and greatly increasing the magnitude of the divide...... this format is a traffic killer.
I'm cool with low traffic truths here vs high traffic manufactured realities/propaganda for profits!
We don't make money here with ads that pay off based on traffic or with "likes" that determine how much money the source/site makes.
The pay here is knowing that this site presents authentic, ABSOLUTE truths, always rooted in solid, fact based evidence that irrefutably stand up to questioning by those that don't accept those truths.
And when I'm wrong, based on that questioning.... which happens, I'm thrilled because it means learning something new and adjusting that position to dial it in.
That's also called "The Scientific Method"!