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                Started by metmike - Sept. 14, 2025, 5:51 p.m.            

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/114673/

 I like it because I like just about any decision that takes power away from the power hungry dictator wannabe DT. The stock markets like this and bumped up some as a result.

Agreed, Larry!

There are no economists for tariffs which are just a tax on American companies and on the American people, despite Donald Trump lying about them.

They are bad for our trading partners. Bad for our relationship with trading partners. Bad for US companies. Bad for US consumers.  But they do increase revenue for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ironically at a time when Trump's Big Ugly Bill does the exact opposite and he threatens to give people a tax/tariff rebate check that exceeds the tariff revenue and pretend that it's all thanks to his wonderful tariffs.

Unfortunately, in Trump's unhinged mind, this big tariff loss decision makes it more likely that he will start an unprovoked war with Iran because he knows that he can win that battle.

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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/118055/#118056

so the R's in congress could grow a set and work with Trump and mostly what Trump has been doing. And as Beans has somehow nearly reached their high basis the March that would. be impossible according MM. So where is the logic of beans being down today. 

Wow maybe just maybe the countries that have been abusing the US have finally figured out Rubio's brillant speech in Europe. And the absolute logic in that speech.

Thanks, mcfarm!
Most articles and sources that I read, other than MAGA stuff was anticipating this decision based on the Constitution and common sense.

So this was just a  confirmation.

It may seem to be  “impossible” from the MAGA perspective but not so much for those following what is actually happening.

I‘m thrilled for our high risk taking producers to see soybeans so strong in recent weeks 

right!! I suppose those well placed sources also told you exactly what the supremes ponificated on what we were supposed to do with the 175M we have already taken in? Guess that once upon a time great thinker Roberts never mentioned that. Does not matter anyway as Trump has several avenues round this venture. What the smart people seem to saying is there was little legal ground for them to intrude. Late news is 10% across the board and more revunue and some of the countries tariffs will actually increase.

Thanks very much for the MAGA take, mcfarm.

And right you are about where Donald Trump is trying to take this.

Please tell me why you think that tariffs are a good thing?

Trump announces new 10% global tariff after raging over Supreme Court loss

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/20/trump-global-trade-tariff-supreme-court.html

Asked at the press briefing about that time limit and about getting congressional buy-in, Trump said, “We have the right to do pretty much what we want to do.”

Trump also declared that all the tariffs active under statutes known as Section 232 and Section 301 will remain “in full force and effect.”

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Imposes a Temporary Import Duty to Address Fundamental International Payment Problems

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2026/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-a-temporary-import-duty-to-address-fundamental-international-payment-problems/

"lowering costs for consumers."

Advice for meteorologists forecasting  weather in the Donald Trump Universe.

1. Heavy rains cause droughts. Turn on your irrigation system to prevent excessive rain damage. 

2. Wear your heavy Winter jacket during heat waves.

3. Turn the air conditioner up after an Arctic blast hits

4. Never admit that a weather forecast was wrong. Meteorologists are always right. 

5. Bad forecasts were caused by foreign interference and fraudulent sources trying to make Donald Trump look bad.

6. Severe storms and tornadoes are caused by the radical left

7.  The NWS is being renamed "Donald Trump's Atmospheric  Clairvoyance " 

8. Hurricane's will now only get names of members in the Trump family or those authorized by Donald Trump.

9. If any employees of the new "Donald Trump's Atmospheric Clairvoyance" don't swear allegiance to Donald J. Trump, they will immediately be replaced by people that are on board with the Donald Trump agenda to…….. "Make the weather great again"

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled that Donald Trump illegally stole 134 billion from American Companies and American consumers, how do we make that right????

What a mess!

Donald Trump refusing to abide by the decision, making PERSONAL ATTACKS on the Supreme Court and their families and instead, using a never before used law to impose NEW tariffs on EVERY country (including ones that we have a positive trade balance with)  based on a FAKE emergency,  are actions/words that speak for themselves.

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         https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/118055/#118058   

Donald Trump lost big after the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land ruled against him. 

A smart,  sane person would realize that they lost, then move on as soon as possible so that people would forgot their loss and remember better things about them.

Instead, Donald Trump did the 180 degrees diametrically opposed, polar opposite of that. 

He took an obscure rule to impose 10% tariffs on every country on the planet that WILL expire in 150 days. 

Thinking himself clever and Fox News/MAGA tonight insisting that he just outsmarted/beat the Supreme Court, he just shot himself in both feet. 

Now, his huge loss over tariffs will linger and linger and linger in everyone's minds while we spend an ADDITIONAL 150 days with this as a top news story.

Then, at the end of 150 days........the tariffs go away and Donald Trump LOSES AGAIN!!!!

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https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/118055/#118057

2-21-26: Donald Trump has been in a huge battle with the FED over lowering interest rates. He wants interest rates MUCH lower. The FED has been hesitant to do that because interest rates TOO low, stimulate the economy TOO much which increases inflation and one of their priorities is to control inflation.

The best thing that Donald Trump could do to create an economy that's favorable for the FED to lower interest rates is to REMOVE HIS TARIFFS! Donald Trump is completely sabotaging his own objectives with his ruinous tariffs. 

Majority of Americans approve of Supreme Court’s ruling on Trump tariffs

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5748808-us-voters-trump-supreme-court-tariff-ruling-survey/

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Trump administration news: Businesses, trade partners face uncertainty as president digs in on tariffs    

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/trump-administration-tariffs-iran-news-02-21-26

Supreme Court ruling could influence Trump's decision on Iran, professor says

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/trump-administration-tariffs-iran-news-02-21-26

President Donald Trump could be spurred on to strike Iran to “divert attention” away from the latest Supreme Court ruling that he violated federal law in his implementation of global tariffs, an international relations professor told CNN today.

“This is the most significant American military deployment in the Middle East since the United States invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003,” he said.

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Any attacks on Iran will be extremely against International law. According to Donald Trump last Summer, his previous unprovoked military attack on Iran had "obliterated" their nuclear program. Now, less than 1 year later he has a massive military build up with threats of more military strikes and a war against Iran because of the nuclear program that he told us was obliterated?

Not a good look for Mr. Peace who has been supposedly ending all the wars(8 so far) and insisting that he deserved the Nobel PEACE prize for it. 

From Fortune: These articles may be paywalled but the headlines make the main point.

Trump’s plan B to impose new tariffs is also illegal because a balance-of-payments deficit doesn’t exist, trade experts say

https://fortune.com/2026/02/21/trump-tariffs-section-122-trade-law-trade-deficit-capital-account-surplus-balance-of-payments/

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Trump's sudden decision to hike his new tariff rate to 15% ...

Fortunehttps://fortune.com › 2026/02/21 › trump-tariff-hike-1...

16 hours ago — Trump's plan B to impose new tariffs is also illegal because a balance-of-payments deficit doesn't exist, trade experts say. 

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‘Trump will no longer be able to honor many of the ”deals” he has negotiated’: How the Supreme Court crippled America’s negotiator-in-chief

https://fortune.com/2026/02/20/what-will-trump-do-on-tariffs-now-supreme-court-ruling/

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World shakes its weary head at more Trump tariff chaos as he ‘says a lot of things, and many of them aren’t true’

https://fortune.com/2026/02/21/trump-tariff-supreme-court-ruling-world-reaction-macron-france-mexico/

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‘We are in a dismal fiscal situation, and it just got worse’: Budget watchdog sounds the alarm even louder after Supreme Court erases Trump’s tariffs

https://fortune.com/2026/02/20/trump-tariffs-illegal-makes-dismal-fiscal-situation-worse-crfb/

The Supreme Court ruled a large swath of the Trump administration’s tariffs was unconstitutional on Friday. It might make the average American consumer happy, but the decision could amount to trillions of dollars in lost government revenue over the next decade, and eventually come back to haunt the country’s fiscal stability.

'Buckle up!': CNBC anchor left visibly shocked as US trade deficit plunges from $136B to $29B — lowest since 2009. Was Trump right about tariffs?

'Buckle up!': CNBC anchor left visibly shocked as US trade deficit plunges from $136B to $29B — lowest since 2009. Was Trump right about tariffs?

“On the trade balance, which we know is going to be a deficit, we’re expecting a number around $58 billion,” Santelli said on Thursday morning (1). As he read through the Commerce Department’s update, his tone shifted. “Buckle up, this is unreal! The movement in this number: -$29.4 billion — we cut it basically in half! We cut it in half!”

October’s $29.4 billion trade deficit didn’t just come in well below economists’ forecasts — it marked a 39% drop from September’s $48.1 billion gap (2).

“Just consider this: In March it was $136 billion. Right now, it’s a whisker under $30 billion. We haven't been that small in a long time — I don't have enough records here to go back that far!” he said.

“The U.S. appears to be winning the trade war with tariffs curbing the imports of foreign goods, but America’s trading partners are not holding any grudge as they continue to buy more American goods and services,” said Chris Rupkey, chief economist at Fwdbonds (3).

“So far, the forecasts for a U.S. recession are coming up dry as productivity continues to backstop growth.”

Recent data backs up that assessment. U.S. GDP grew at an annual rate of 4.3% in the third quarter of 2025 — the strongest pace since late 2023 and well above economists’ expectations for a 3.2% increase (4).

FN; @CNBCtelevision (1); Bureau of Economic Analysis (2), (4); CNBC (3), (7), (8); Reuters (5); @ntdtv (6)

Thanks, cutworm,

You cherry picked 1 outlier month back in October, 2025!

The trade deficit went UP to 53 million in November, the next month after your cherry pick, then exceeded all estimates by a lot in December with a trade deficit of over 70 million, well over double the number of your cherry pick.

I’ll have the authentic data for ALL of 2025 and previous years when back on my computer!

That last number in December is back up to where it was in most of 2023 and 2024 under Biden. It’s also more than 50% higher than any month under Trumps 1st term.

So no, tariffs are NOT doing what Donald Trump says other than stealing money from US businesses/companies and consumers for the Federal government…….which he claims is coming from foreign countries when they pay his tariff THAT WE PAY!

2+2=4 in the math world and in the REAL tariff world.

MAGA tariff math of 2+2=7,8,9 or 10 is just made up by Donald J Trump and accepted with the faith of a religion by his followers.

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You also cherry picked the 3rd quarter GDP and intentionally left out the most important, last quarter after that quarter GDP plunged to 1.4%.

cutworm,

Do you think that I’m not smart enough to realize what you just did?

I respect your intelligence a great deal. I still do. However, it would be greatly appreciated if you would treat everybody else here with the same respect of their intelligence.
mcfarm doesn’t know any better and sincerely believes everything that he posts but you’re one of the sharpest people we have here.

I‘m calling you out as your friend not as an adversary.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade

10 years: This bar graph shows the widening trade imbalance with time, which peaked in 2022, BECAUSE OF THE STRONG US DOLLAR that makes US goods MORE expensive and foreign goods LESS expensive to US customers.

After that, the trade imbalance dropped off a bit with the slightly weaker but still very strong US dollar in 2023/2024.

The huge spike higher for the 4 months, D-J-F-M 2025 was US companies STOCKING UP ahead of Donald Trump's tariffs. The plunge after that was in a big part from those companies being stocked up and having several months worth of inventory as well as the US Dollar collapsing lower.

The bounce back at the very end is especially concerning because it happened with a MUCH LOWER dollar which should be helping to fix this imbalance a great deal. No telling how bad it would have been if the US dollar had not dropped so much.

Note the 1 outlier month, 3 bars from the end, the smallest bar by far on the graph in  October 2025 that cutworm posted to represent Donald Trump's tariffs working to reduce the trade imbalance.

From the source: The US trade deficit widened to $70.3 billion in December 2025 from $53 billion in November, above forecasts of a $55.5 billion gap. Exports were down 1.7% to $287.3 billion, led by a big fall in nonmonetary gold. Meanwhile, imports went up 3.6% to $357.6 billion, led by purchases of computer accessories. Considering full 2025, the US recorded a $901.5 billion trade deficit, slightly less than a $903.5 billion gap in 2024 and still among the largest since 1960.

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US Dollar below:

10 years: As described above the US dollar spiked higher in 2022 which made our good more expensive to the world and the world's goods cheaper to us, resulting in a new record for the trade imbalance.

After the dollar dropped a bit, the trade imbalance stabilized below the record but still at high levels in 2023/24. 

Since Donald Trump took office, the US Dollar has plunged to the lowest level in 4 years which is clearly helping to reduce the trade imbalance. After dialing in the benefits of the lower dollar(a weakening dollar to improve the trade imbalance is not a bad policy) the impact of his tariffs is hard to discern. 

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency

Donald Trump also wants much lower interest rates(which would likely increase inflation, along with his tariffs which is why the FED won't do it).

Lower interest rates would lower the yield on US denominated assets and cause the US dollar to fall which would improve the trade imbalance even more.

But ironically, it's Donald Trump's tariffs that have prevented the Fed from lowering interest rates by even more because they, like every economist knows what tariffs do to the cost of goods in the United States as US companies pass on their higher costs they paid for foreign goods. 

If Donald Trump had not  added the 15% tariffs back, the Fed could have seen an opportunity to lower interest rates that Donald Trump wants. It's insane that he's been unable to grasp these indisputable economic laws that can't magically go away with the wave of a MAGA wand that turns the real world into Donald Trump's manufactured MAGA world.

MAGA world works extremely well to generate block buster ratings on Fox News and other far right news outlets. It's in its own element at Donald Trump rallies where Trump religion is worshiped and adulated with enthusiasm and faith even greater than the authentic religions(which he blatantly violates all day long in numerous ways).

On the GDP below:

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

1. 5 years:  The higher numbers on the left were mostly from a recovery from COVID in 2020  and the OVER stimulated economy from  all the stimulus money injected into the economy from 1 trillion in free money from the US Treasury. This is what caused massive inflation too. 

The last 4 bars were under Donald Trump. The highest bar, is the one that cutworm cherry picked to represent the economy under his tariffs. Lots of volatility and LOWER on average than Biden's last 2 years(and part of why Harris lost was the economy/inflation). 

2. 10 years: We can see what COVID did in 2020/2021!!!  The last bar, on the far right,  Donald Trump's last snap shot picture of the economy, 4th quarter was 1 of the smallest/lowest on the chart.  However, variations from quarter to quarter are less important than trends and longer term averages, which was DOWN in 2025 compared to 2024. 

From the source: The US economy expanded an annualized 1.4% in Q4 2025, the least since Q1 2025, following a 4.4% growth in Q3 and well below forecasts of 3%, the advance estimate showed.  Considering full 2025, the US economy expanded 2.2%, below 2.8% in 2024, reflecting increases in consumer spending and investment.

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Trump rates economy ‘A-plus-plus-plus-plus-plus’ ahead of event touting affordability

https://thehill.com/homenews/5640090-donald-trump-economy-inflation/

Since you brought it up, cutworm let's help to make this discussion even more comprehensive discussing Donald Trump's economy.

False or misleading statements by Donald Trump (second term)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump_(second_term)

Economy

Though Trump claimed in early December 2025—before November numbers were released—that "inflation has stopped", the consumer price index (CPI) began increasing in the months following his April 2025 announcement of tariffs.^[116]

Though Trump on December 9, 2025 rated his economy as "A+++++", the unemployment rate had increased during his second term.^[117]

Upon imposing the highest U.S. tariffs since the Great Depression (called "Liberation Day" in April 2025), Trump claimed that "jobs and factories will come roaring back". However, manufacturing employment declined every month for the rest of the year.

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metmike: Those are the authentic facts. No cherry picks. Just old school, honest, objective facts from independent sources using empirical data.

Basically everything that a person would want to know in order to understand and judge the Donald Trump economy.

The only thing that supports Donald Trump's version of his A++++  grade for his economy is Donald Trump's delusional and manufactured descriptions of the economy  and everything else in his world. 

This is why MAGA is like a religion. Unwavering FAITH in things based on the words of the leader(s). But its much, MUCH worse than the authentic religions.

Nobody can prove that Jesus did not rise from the dead. Or the visions of the prophets in the Old Testament were not really messages from God.

However, I just proved indisputably that MAGA religion based on what Donald Trump is claiming about the economy is full of blatant lies.  Using empirical data and the most reliable measures known to humanity. 

But this will make no difference to anybody in MAGA reading it. Faith in Donald Trump is unwavering and transcends the real world in which we live. It transcends authentic empirical data. It even transcends the belief system of the authentic religions MAGA members believe in. 

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Just another reminder, I voted for Donald Trump in 2016(anti Clintons) and 2024(anti Biden, only after his ruinous policies/leader ship) believing DT would end the war in Ukraine fast.

I adjust my opinions based on empirical data and don't rely on religious faith from party tribalism and defending a previously flawed mentality. 

Ok I was played. I did not intend to cherry pick. It looked factual. However, I could not read most of the articles you posted. Headlines aren't always factual. Thank you for the data.

I found the stock market reaction to the Supreme Court ruling interesting.

Here we are waiting for a huge consequential decision and when it comes down the market was very quiet and then began slow move higher for the day.  I expected more volatility than that.

And now, Trump is doubling down with MORE tariffs.  The market gives back Friday's gains, which makes sense I guess.  But again, very mild on the downside.

Gold on the other hand was up Friday on the. SC ruling and also up tonight on the Trump combative posture.

Not sure what to make of things.  The stock market is now sideways for 5 months.  Especially the Nasdaq.  That is not typical bull market action.

Can't help myself... I'm bearish.

cutworm,

That response is exactly why I respect you so much! I totally believe you!

On the Fortune articles. You and me both have to pay for the entire articles(although, for some reason I can get them on my Ipad). The objective was just to show the titles which communicated the main points. 

joj,

Yes, this was extremely odd. I think it's just another example of the stock market being a massive Ponzi Scheme and self fulfilling prophesy that has become DETACHED from profound realities that, in the past would have, at the very least resulted in spikes up and down. 

I have never traded stocks because I'm not smart enough so take that with a speculative grain of salt.

However, I will try to provide useful information for those that do trade stocks and share different chart formations as well as other stuff that is educational and entertaining........at no cost to the majority of people that really enjoy following different markets because we love the challenging analytical elements which are more than random and sometimes predictable and always fascinating!

Personally, I'm shocked that the stock market has continued up near the highs and even making new highs.

So the thing to do when you are surprised(not expecting) certain things is to figure out what your previous analysis had wrong about the Composite Man" from Wyckoff.

Many months ago, this led me to a different analysis about the stock market for it not dropping the way it should have over and over. 

The rich people controlling it know that Donald Trump is putting them #1 and constantly bragging about how important the stock market is to him.  When you have the most powerful man in the world, blatantly abusing his power with impunity in some realms in your corner, it's a pretty strong incentive to stay with his most important realm.

The stock market can't hold up forever. Before the Rs lose the House in November, the stock market is going to have to recon with Trump's demise. If he even makes it to his own impeachment investigation and hearings.

  It's seems impossible to conceive of the stock market not crashing from this loss of Donald Trump.  He is NOT going to finish this term!

Ironically, the Supreme Court's decision was the best thing that could have happened to Donald Trump the Rs and the economy between now and the elections.

It was a gift that some Rs actually appreciated.

However, as has happened so many times before, Donald Trump makes a bad situation even worse.............instead of acknowledging the truth or a loss and moving on in a positive direction after putting it behind him.

He has numerous character flaws but one of the worst is that one. He is still trying to convince people that he won in 2020 for Pete's sake. Wasting so much time, money and resources in 2026 to convince the country that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Even after every single investigation, challenge, recount and so on proved that he lost and the biggest fraud came from..............Donald Trump trying to overturn his big loss.

Anyways, sorry for that political example but its meant to demonstrate how this same mentality is how he;s currently thinking about tariffs.

Just try to imagine what will happen/how he will behave after the Ds open the impeachment investigation????  

House Of Representatives 

‘Tariffs suck’: Some Republicans privately celebrate as Supreme Court blocks Trump policy

 'It's the right result,' one House conservative granted anonymity to speak freely said

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tariffs-suck-some-republicans-privately-celebrate-supreme-court-blocks-trump-policy

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 Republicans quietly celebrate the demise of tariffs. That relief might not last.

Many in the GOP, especially those in battleground states, are happy to see the blanket tariffs go in a heated election year. Trump has already pledged to bring them back. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/20/tariffs-trump-gop-midterms-00791591

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 ‘I feel vindicated’: Anti-tariff Republicans cheer as Supreme Court checks Trump

Speaker Mike Johnson and other key GOP leaders did not immediately weigh in on the ruling Friday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/20/anti-tariff-republicans-cheer-supreme-court-decision-checking-trump-00790772

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The majority of Rs can't possibly want Trump to impose another 15% tariffs for the next 150 days.

It will only cost them more votes in November. They MUST be talking behind closed doors about the best way to get rid of Donald Trump. 

If this was a medical situation, this is what the Rs are currently facing. Donald Trump is an infected limb on the R body that can't be rehabilitated/cured or even treated because the infection is spreading to the rest of the body and their is no longer enough blood flow to the injected limb to make it better. The infection is growing by the day and making the patient sicker and sicker as the toxic bacteria multiplies at the sources and transports more and more to the rest of the body.

The limb must be removed ASAP to save the rest of the body. We know already that enough infection has spread to kill the R majority in the House this November. There's no stopping that train which left the station many months ago.

Impeaching Trump now would actually help  the Rs more than the Ds!

Save The Limb Or The Life

https://www.clevelandclinicabudhabi.ae/en/health-byte/health/save-the-limb-or-the-life

E.U. hits the brakes on U.S. trade deal after Trump threatens 15% global tariffs

The pause is the latest fallout from the Supreme Court's ruling that President Donald Trump exceeded his authority when he imposed emergency tariffs.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/europe-halts-trade-deal-trump-tariffs-rcna260231

The additional confusion coming up because of Donald Trumps additional tariffs can be cleared up pretty quickly if Congress just did their jobs.

Vote to stop the tariffs with a 2/3rds veto proof majority.

That would put a complete stop to this nonsense which IS DAMAGING THE Rs not the Ds which is why they should vote with the Ds and DO THEIR JOBS.

The right to impose or take away tariffs in the Constitution belongs to Congress.

The Supreme Court just ruled that Donald Trumps application was illegal.

His new attempt to use a trick that doesn't  apply here  will be ruled illegal again by the courts. While we wait for that or while we wait out another 150 days with more ruinous tariffs. 

All the while, the governmental body with the actual power in the Constitution to impose and remove tariffs remains spectators, afraid of what Donald Trump might do to them if they do their jobs and go against him.

Ironically, as he destroys their chances in the next 2 elections.

What do they have to lose  in 2026 by opposing Donald Trump?
Fact is, at this point in time, the Rs have nothing but things to GAIN by opposing Donald Trump.

It’s becoming increasingly more obvious.

I think that once they realize and embrace that, Donald Trumps descent could be fast and furious.

And he still has the power of embargo. Tiny little tidbit you might want to check out. 

Do not see why this issue cause such a stir. Trump did what the President is allowed and what congress allowed. The court did what they thought was allowed. Now Trump will use 2 other perfectly legal way to tariff....301 and cannot remember 221 maybe. At any rate the 15 will be allowed foe 150 days. All this talk and seems eveyone is doing what the founders intended.

Thanks very much, mcfarm for the MAGA view.

I can assure you that this is the 180 degree, diametrically opposed polar opposite of what the founding fathers intended.

You didn't answer my previous question.

mcfarm, why do you think that tariffs are good for the United States or for any country?

I showed the stats earlier on the trade imbalance. In case you're buying that whopper from Trump let's fact check and bust that even more below. Since we KNOW that isn't working, why do you, mcfarm from Indiana like tariffs so much?

U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services, December and Annual 2025                                                                                

https://www.bea.gov/news/2026/us-international-trade-goods-and-services-december-and-annual-2025

2025 was a very volatile year, however. US companies loaded up their purchases of foreign goods/imports ahead of the tariffs. Then for 6 months after that, with their inventory built up from early year pre-tariff purchasing their purchases were greatly reduced. After their inventory ran out late in the year, they returned to similar buying as in most of 2024.

However, considering that the US Dollar dropped over 10% from its high around when Trump was inaugurated in January 2025(now the lowest in 4 years), which made our goods/exports 10% cheaper and foreign goods/imports 10% more expensive, in the absence of that, the 2025 trade imbalance would have been much worse and clearly, there was no significant change in the trade imbalance from tariffs.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/currency

  So the question is, mcfarm who grows crops in Indiana, why are you for tariffs?

Trump Tariffs: Tracking the Economic Impact of the Trump Trade War

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tariffs-trade-war/

The Balance of Trade

One of President Trump’s stated goals of imposing tariffs is to shrink the US trade deficit. However, a country’s balance of trade is not solely driven by trade policy, but instead, reflects broader macroeconomic balances between saving and investment and net lending and borrowing with the rest of the world.

In the United States, domestic investment outpaces domestic saving, requiring a capital inflow from the rest of the world to close the gap. The capital inflow represents net lending to the United States from the rest of the world to finance business investment as well as the government’s budget deficit. Because tariffs do not directly change the balance between domestic saving and investment, tariffs cannot permanently change the trade balance.

The last time the United States ran a trade surplus was in 1975; every year since, the United States has run a trade deficit. That the United States has consistently run trade deficits for decades is not an imminent economic problem. Net imports, another term for a trade deficit, can reflect the strength of the US economy in attracting foreign investment and in serving as a safe, reliable haven for foreign capital. When net imports finance the capital stock, it allows the US to enjoy a higher level of productivity and growth than otherwise would occur.

In 2025, the trade deficit fell by just $2.1 billion compared to 2024. The reduction in the trade deficit was due to an increase in the trade surplus of services, as the goods deficit actually increased by $25.5 billion year over year.

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This is what I've been saying for the past year. Donald Trump does not understand the indisputable economic principles of global trading between rich countries(that can afford to buy much more) and poor countries(that have very low labor/costs and can make stuff cheaply). You cannot wave a magic MAGA wand, impose tariffs and make that go away because Donald Trump says it. Those rock solid fundamentals will always rule and must be accepted.

we could end all of this right now MM. All tariffs go to zero. China would guarantee to quit cheating and screwing the US from a to z. Wonder who would reject that proposal quicker. This is a long term fix, Been explained before nothing much short term was ever supposed to be easy or curative,,,,,no matter what the historical  revisionist say.

Guess I could ask why you said 100%  bean price would cellar forever and dow would crash, recession and depression to follow, America would never bring factories back and the sun would never rise again. Damn so far I would say Trump is one of the few to stick to his story while the rest of you ran around with your hair on fire claiming the sky is falling.

and this drug cartel business in Mexico best not turn out to be left wing bullshit that they have planned to cross the boarder with more dark soros money all to dirty up Trump just like the last several years hoax after hoax. Add this possibililty to what the left has pulled the last several years and we might be related to 2 parties again....the R's and the independents

Thanks, mcfarm for responding but you never answered the question.

Instead, you attacked me and completely made up things that I never stated, which is no big deal because I think that's just the way that you communicate and I accept that. 

"Guess I could ask why you said 100%  bean price would cellar forever and dow would crash, recession and depression to follow, America would never bring factories back and the sun would never rise again."

mcfarm,

I did not attack you or make up things about you. I just asked you, respectfully to tell me in YOUR words why you think tariffs are good for you and the United States.

Would you like to try that again, or should we just go on with me accepting that you're never going to answer the actual question...........which I'm perfectly ok with. 

It's possible that maybe your answer was to have tariffs to punish China for cheating but tariffs punish US companies and consumers more than other entities and they don't do anything to change the trade imbalance.

With the new 15% tariffs on every country, does this mean the entire world is cheating?

I won't linger on this point  since it's clearly counterproductive and I really do enjoy you expressing your MAGA views here and encourage it. 

As well as your other views on farming and other stuff that we agree on.

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mcfarm,

If you want to use one of my real predictions, use this one.

In November, the blue wave that hits the voting polls will flip the House control to the Ds.  It will have to be pretty bad for the D's to have the majority in the Senate too but they will gain seats there too.

I don't belong to either party, however Donald Trump and his enablers in Congress make it impossible for me in 2026 to see the R side of things.

Wholesale inflation was hotter than expected in January as tariffs threaten to push up prices for consumers

https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/27/economy/us-ppi-wholesale-inflation-january

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2+2=4

Consumer Prices +Tariffs = Higher Consumer Prices   

'Buckle up!': CNBC anchor left visibly shocked as US trade deficit plunges from $136B to $29B — lowest since 2009. Was Trump right about tariffs?

Thanks very much, mcfarm.

cutworm was tricked by that same cherry picked headline IN THIS VERY THREAD!

Which I already corrected with the authentic data in this thread.

The important lesson to learn here for ALL readers is that people just don't fact check things that THEY WANT TO BELIEVE!

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:  Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                            By cutworm - Feb. 22, 2026, 1:09 p.m.     

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                 Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                            By metmike - Feb. 22, 2026, 1:36 p.m.         

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                Re:  Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                            By metmike - Feb. 22, 2026, 4:45 p.m.      

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                      Re: Re:  Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                           By metmike - Feb. 22, 2026, 5:20 p.m.            

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                Re: Re: Re:  Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                            By metmike - Feb. 22, 2026, 5:31 p.m.            

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                Re: Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                            By cutworm - Feb. 22, 2026, 8:39 p.m.       

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                     Re: Re: Supreme Court rules against Trump's illegal tariffs            

                            By metmike - Feb. 22, 2026, 9:49 p.m.            

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mcfarm,

Please let me know what you think after you read the fact check/authentic data above correcting your post. 

Thanks, 

metmike

U.S. payrolls unexpectedly fell by 92,000 in February; unemployment rate rises to 4.4%

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/06/february-2026-jobs-report.html

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This will obviously cause inflation pressure:

                Market opens tonight, 3-1-2026/crude            

                                            By metmike - March 6, 2026, 9:30 a.m.            

I moved that previous thread here after it got so long and will add the last comments to this new thread.

Thanks, patrick!

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                Re: Re: Re:  More delusional tariffs!            

                          By metmike - April 16, 2026, 12:35 p.m.            

            After just doing our 2025 taxes, I will have to say there is something to be grateful for in the Big Beautiful(Ugly) Bill.

There's a new $6,000 deduction for people over 65. With my wife and I both being that age, it was a total $12,000 in deductions that we did not have the previous year which reduced our tax burden. 

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                Re: Re: Re:  More delusional tariffs!            

                        By patrick - April 20, 2026, 4:41 p.m.                              

When the decision came down without guidance on how refunds were to be given, 2 things seemed obvious:
1) There was nothing to get the refund money to the customers of the importers
2) Big importers would get big refunds, even if they passed along the cost
Which both turned out to be true.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vqgge5g8lo
On the radio this morning, a 3rd thing came up : The system is automated & unsupported to the extent that a lot of smaller retailers are caught in purgatory.
https://www.npr.org/2026/04/20/nx-s1-5789058/small-business-owners-queue-up-for-tariff-refunds

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                    Re: Re: Re: Re:  More delusional tariffs!            

                                        By metmike - April 20, 2026, 5:16 p.m.            

            Thanks, patrick! 

Sure seems like a huge, counter productive(from the get go) mess but the most insane part, is the designer, still calls tariffs his favorite word and pretends like the 100% diametrically opposed, polar opposite of the truth is happening  

I look forward to the days when this is finally past us:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/119356/#119628

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April 21, 2026: 

Will U.S. Consumers See Refunds From Trump’s Tariffs?

A new claim system is being put in place to refund money paid by businesses as part of Trump’s tariffs. But consumers? Not so much.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2026-04-20/will-u-s-consumers-see-refunds-from-trumps-tariffs

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Are we getting $2,000 stimulus check in April 2026?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2026/04/13/when-will-we-get-the-2000-stimulus-checks-trump-tariff-refund-are-we-getting-a-stimulus-check/89596933007/

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Trumponomics:  Instead of +$2.000 fairy tale dividends promised from collecting illegal tariffs promised by our leader with his diseased brain, we had $1,000+ taken from our pocketbooks(on average) that will NEVER be refunded.

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                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:  More delusional tariffs!            

                   By metmike - May 1, 2026, 9:11 a.m.            

Trump uses royalty to excuse his next U-turn

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-uses-royalty-to-excuse-his-next-u-turn/ar-AA228wLK

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While most of the countries in the world suffer thru the worst energy crisis in history BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP........we waste time discussing the importance of another delusional Donald Trump tariff decision based on his corrupt leadership as a psychopath with a diseased brain that is abusing our great military and punishing the world as the most powerful man with no clue on what to do next AND NO CONSEQUENCES TO HIM FOR DOING IT!

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/119646/#119919

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                Re: More delusional tariffs!            

                        By patrick - May 1, 2026, 4:12 p.m.            

Trump has no concept of how cars are made. Would he even be able to recognize an obscure part, like for instance, an engine?

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                Re: Re: More delusional tariffs!            

                    By metmike - May 1, 2026, 5 p.m.            

            Too funny, patrick!

He claims that he will charge the European Union. He still doesn't get how tariffs work.

US companies pay the tariffs and pass them on to US consumers. WE pay for his tariffs!!!!

Trump tears up part of EU tariff deal to raise import duties on cars and lorries

US president says tariff on vehicles imported from EU will rise to 25% and accuses bloc of non-compliance

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/01/trump-tears-up-eu-tariff-deal-raises-import-duties-europe

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His diseased brain is doing this to punish(vengeance) these countries for not cleaning up his mess in the Strait of Hormuz.

                Allied  Countries helping Trump             

                            Started by metmike - March 18, 2026, 7:57 p.m.        

    https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/118814/

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Fox has him live in FL doing his favorite thing, talking to a big MAGA crowd. Telling nothing but blatant, completely over the top lies. 

He keeps insisting that the US has the lowest drug prices in the world for all of our drugs after "crooked, sleepy Joe Biden caused the highest drug prices in the world".

According to him, "drug prices are down 400%, 500%, 600%, 700%, even 800%, depending on the drug". His exact words. 

If you reduce something by 100%...............it's GONE!

And his MAGA worshipers, getting their intelligence stolen, cheered for every galactic lie!

Trump Misleads on Drug Pricing Deals

https://www.factcheck.org/2026/02/trump-misleads-on-drug-pricing-deals/

                   Re: Re: Re: More delusional tariffs!            

                         By metmike - May 1, 2026, 5:25 p.m.                        

And Trumps bragging about all the manufacturing jobs he created and all the other stuff is all blatant lies.

One can easily do a fact check to show how he is just spewing non stop lies. 

 A year later, here's where things stand on Trump's manufacturing revival

The president said factories and manufacturing jobs would "come roaring back" thanks to his tariffs.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/02/manufacturers-still-waiting-trump-tariff-promises-00854987

Those jobs and factories haven’t materialized, at least on the grand scale the president and his top advisers have promised.

Manufacturing payrolls actually declined slightly over the past year, with 98,000 fewer jobs year-over-year based on the most recent data from the Labor Department. There are 29,900 fewer auto manufacturing jobs and 18,000 fewer wood manufacturing jobs — both sectors the president has tried to protect with trade barriers. New, higher tariffs on steel and aluminum, moreover, have hindered the construction of factories. The industry’s hiring rate — often a reflection of confidence in the economic outlook — is lower now than it was at the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic.

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Trump hails ‘booming investment’ in Detroit while auto manufacturing jobs have fallen every month since Liberation Day

https://fortune.com/2026/01/14/trump-hails-investment-in-detroit-auto-manufacturing-jobs-recession-tariffs-liberation-day/

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And his tariffs were ruled ILLEGAL by the Supreme Court so his latest +25% tariff action is VIOLATING THE LAW!

UPDATE 1-US trade court rules against Trump's 10% global tariffs

‌trade court on Thursday ruled against President Donald Trump's latest 10% global tariffs, finding across-the-board ‌tariffs were not justified under a 1970s trade law. The U.S. Court of International Trade ruled in favor of small businesses ‌that challenged the tariffs, which took effect on February ‌24.

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/law-order/3900675-update-1-us-trade-court-rules-against-trumps-10-global-tariffs

The small businesses ⁠had argued the ⁠new tariffs were an attempt to sidestep a landmark U.S. Supreme ⁠Court decision that struck down the Republican president's 2025 tariffs imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. In his February ⁠order, Trump invoked Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, ⁠which allows for duties for up to 150 days to correct serious "balance of payments deficits" or head off ⁠an imminent depreciation of the dollar.

Thursday's court ruling found the law ⁠was ⁠not an appropriate step for the kinds of trade deficits that Trump cited in his February ‌order.

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Donald Trump doing things to wreck our country and world has become the new normal.

 Breaking laws, enriching Donald Trump and his family. Bombing countries against International Law. Starting unprovoked and unjustified wars. Causing the worst global energy crisis in history (gas prices +$1.50), making up that Iran was on the verge of having nuclear weapons while insisting that he ended 8 wars. Naming everything after himself. Getting into a moral fight with and lying about the pope. Destroying long lived relationships with close allies and wrecking the reputation of the United States globally while causing countless people to hate him and us. Spending millions of tax payer dollars to seek vengeance against people that oppose him or did something to him. Continuing to abuse the justice system to show he won the 2020 election that he lost by every test and standard. Causing an Insurrection, then pardoning those convicted as well as his many other partners in crime. Completely controlling the R party majorities in Congress that flatter and defend him in public, like the rest of those he appointed to key positions after they pledged allegiance to Donald Trump to get their jobs. 

With this topic......  passing illegal tariffs that PUNISH AMERICANS and US companies that pay them while claiming that other countries pay them and the Supreme Court ruling against him.......but instead of abiding by the decision, passing EVEN MORE illegal tariffs and the court system ruling against him AGAIN.

Just another day in the life of Donald Trump...........who is also the most powerful man in the world and clearly a dangerous psychopath with progressive dementia!

TwilightZone 2026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbseYAkzRM

Trump criticizes 2 Supreme Court justices by name over tariff ruling

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-criticizes-supreme-court-justices-name-tariff-ruling?msockid=169185fe23936a7a2d9292cd22476b58

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Read Donald Trump's lunatic screed loaded with blatant lies here:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116552659719497289

Trump's tariffs cost the average family $1,700 — now corporations are getting a $166B refund. Where are America's tariff checks?

https://moneywise.com/news/top-stories/trumps-tariffs-166b-tariff-refund-tariff-checks

Americans absorbed a year of tariff-driven price hikes on groceries, electronics, clothes and shipping — costing families $1,700 per household on average, according to the Joint Economic Committee (1).

Now the federal government is paying the money back. Just not to you.

Many companies now stand to benefit twice: they raised prices to cover the tariffs and now get the tariff payments refunded. BOK Financial chief investment strategist Steve Wyett told Newsweek "it seems unlikely consumers will see lower prices from tariff refunds,"

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Our country and the entire world  continue to be hurt by the  Mt. Everest sized pile of doo doo caused by Donald Trump's corrupt, incompetent, self enriching and ruinous leadership. 

The exceptions to this are the rich and powerful people and those inside Donald Trump's circle. Even MAGA is being punished at times like this example but they've been brainwashed to interpret a kick in the teeth to be a love tap.

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Donald Trump thinks the Supreme Court justices that he appointed should do like all the the other people that he appointed to key positions............pledge allegiance to Donald Trump and support/enable his agenda while publicly adulating him.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116552659719497289

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It's galactically ironic that Donald Trump calls his site "TRUTH SOCIAL"

Trump halts USMCA: How your grocery bills and car prices could change

https://www.newsweek.com/usmca-deal-agreement-trump-trade-tariffs-store-12147854

Last month, Trump had suggested he did not want to renew the deal, saying, “I made the deal and the primary reason I made the deal is that NAFTA was the worst trade deal I’ve ever seen. Yeah. And I made it better.

"But I had the right to terminate,” the president added, referring to the prior North American Free Trade Agreement.

Industry leaders and trade experts have urged the U.S., Mexico and Canada to work together to urgently extend the agreement to avoid uncertainty and potentially higher prices for consumers on grocery items, cars and more

Economists warn that if new tariffs or trade barriers are introduced, businesses may pass some of those added costs through the supply chain, potentially resulting in higher prices for consumers.

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Donald Trump is obsessed with, not making smart decisions that are good for consumers or for America or for the world but instead, with maximizing his impact........regardless of it's negativity, to exploit his position as the most powerful man in the world. 

Not only this but his pathologically thinking, diseased brain thinks that this is a key part of making himself an historical legend and greatest president in history. Seriously!

Trump takes credit for Toyota moving some truck production from Mexico to Texas: 'That's what tariffs do'

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-toyotas-texas-investment-tariffs-usmca2026-7

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No doubt that MAGA believes that lie!

AI Overview

June 15, 2026

Trump bet tariffs would bring back American factory jobs. New report says it didn't work

 Mike Pence's group says tariff revenue tripled to $265B while 90% of the burden fell on U.S. importers

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-bet-tariffs-would-bring-back-american-factory-jobs-new-report-says-didnt-work

EXCLUSIVE — President Donald Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs promise is facing challenges from a new analysis that argues the sweeping trade policy failed to revive manufacturing and instead slowed job creation in the U.S.

The report, obtained first by Fox News Digital, lands months after Trump's signature economic policies was handed a blow when the Supreme Court struck down sweeping tariffs, and businesses are now seeking billions of dollars in tariff refunds.

Trump's April 2025 global tariff rollout marked the largest U.S. tariff hike in decades, delivering on a signature economic promise that higher duties would spark a manufacturing renaissance, bring factory jobs back to the United States and reduce Americans' reliance on foreign goods.

Researchers at the Advancing American Freedom Foundation argue those goals never materialized, and estimate in their report that the tariffs resulted in up to 1 million fewer jobs nationwide than would have been expected under pre-tariff trends.

Manufacturing — the industry the tariffs were intended to help — fared particularly poorly, according to the damning report. Researchers estimate the sector lost roughly 75,000 positions during the policy's first year, or about 6,250 jobs per month.

"We can say with an over 90% confidence level that manufacturing lost jobs because of the tariffs," Richard Stern, vice president of the Plymouth Institute for Free Enterprise at Advancing American Freedom, told Fox News Digital.

Stern argued the tariffs backfired because many American manufacturers rely on imported components and equipment.

"Most of the Americans that are importing are American businesses, especially American manufacturers and producers," he said. "So the tariffs really ended up being a tax on high-end American manufacturing."

Now it's back to Canada to punish them with tariffs for the wildfires             

     Re: Re: Re: Re: Wildfires            

                            By metmike - July 20, 2026, 6:33 p.m.            

            Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Imposes Additional Tariffs on Canada

  The White House

 July 20, 2026

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2026/07/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-additional-tariffs-on-canada/

KEEPING AMERICA FIRST: President Trump is delivering on his promise to secure better outcomes for American workers, farmers, and businesses by using tariffs to restore reciprocity to trade and strengthen our national security.

• In May 2026, U.S. manufacturing grew at its fastest rate in four years—nearly tripling expectations, and in June 2026, U.S. manufacturing expanded for its sixth straight month. 
• Through negotiations with foreign trading partners and the strategic use of tariffs, President Trump has secured trillions in private and foreign investment to bring American jobs and manufacturing back to the United States while diversifying global supply chains and reducing dependence on adversarial nations.
• President Trump’s tariffs have resulted in 18 deals opening new markets for U.S. exports and bringing reciprocity back to America’s trade relations. Yet Canada has elected to discriminate against the United States rather than address Canadian trade barriers.

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Donald Trump just MAKES THIS STUFF UP(lies)!

AI Overview

         7-20-26

Donald Trump to impose 50% tariff on most Canadian goods, White House says

Turmoil likely as Trump officials say Canada unfairly discriminated against US autos, alcohol and dairy products

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/20/trump-canada-tariffs?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

Dear Donald Trump: As everybody that understands the economic principles of trading between different countries, these tariffs continue to PUNISH AMERICANS. 

US companies and US consumers are the ones that pay the tariffs!!!!

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Trump Says His Favorite Word 'Tariff' Needs PR Help

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Jaw dropping ignorance about what tariffs are actually doing in the real world to HURT our economy, then lying about the negative consequences and telling us we are benefiting, with one of his countless fairy tales.....and repeating the lies over and over and over.

His favorite word and policy greatly harms the US economy and massively disrupts the global economy's and alienates our long lived trading partners.

Timeline of the 2025–2026 United States trade war with Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2025%E2%80%932026_United_States_trade_war_with_Canada

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We all know that his delusional, unstable mind observed the wildfire smoke coming from Canada last week and as usual, he put on the victim hat of his diseased, rapidly deteriorating brain and resorted to tariffs to seek vengeance.

                Re: Re: Re: Re: New Donald Trump propaganda ad bombarding us            

                          By metmike - July 13, 2026, 6 p.m. 

The OuterLimits (1995) Intro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo

Fox in the evening should use this intro for all their shows!

U.S. tariffs on Brazil take effect as President Donald Trump readies fresh flurry

Various products such as beef, coffee and aircraft parts will be exempted from the tariff, and roughly half of Brazil's exports to the U.S. would remain excluded from the duty

https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/us-tariffs-on-brazil-take-effect-as-president-donald-trump-readies-fresh-flurry/article71252123.ece

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The bowing that other countries are doing because of Donald Trump is BOWING OUT of their previous long term relationships with the United States!

 Allied  Countries helping Trump     NONE!      

       Started by metmike - March 18, 2026, 7:57 p.m.    

   https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/118814/

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Trump Gets Negative Reviews Internationally as Fewer Say U.S. Is a Reliable Partner

36-country survey finds declining ratings for the U.S. amid rising concerns about its foreign policy and the health of its democracy

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/06/23/trump-gets-negative-reviews-internationally-as-fewer-say-u-s-is-a-reliable-partner/

'Trump Keeps Swinging Recklessly': Wall Street Journal Slams President's Tariff 'Madness'

The Journal’s conservative editorial board has published a scathing piece on President Donald Trump’s latest levies against Canadian goods.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wall-street-journal-editorial-board-slams-trump-canada-tariffs-madness_n_6a60919ee4b0fb869f7d57a7

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Trump’s Canada Tariffs Have Rattled the Industry, But Legal Experts Believe He’s All Bluster

https://wwd.com/sourcing-journal/trade/trump-canada-tariffs-section-338-usmca-trade-textiles-apparel-1239079757/

Donald Trump deals Republicans double blow in one week

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-deals-republicans-double-blow-in-one-week-12241344

Here are the new tariff rates on dozens of countries targeted by President Trump

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tariff-rates-60-countries-forced-labor/

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WSJ editorial board rips Trump over tariff ‘obsession’

https://thehill.com/business/5990246-trump-tariffs-obsession-wsj-board-critique/

The editors stress that, “Republicans could pay the price in November” for these policies.

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Trump sued hours after new tariffs take effect, as experts say they may not hold up

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/24/trump-tariffs-lawsuit-301-ieepa.html

The Trump administration imposed new tariffs on goods from more than 80 countries, alleging they have failed to effectively prohibit the use of forced labor practices.

These are the facts;

1. Tariffs punish US companies that are the ones that pay the tariffs. This has been REDUCING manufacturing jobs in the United States as their parts and expenses have increased.

2. The increase in cost to US companies from Donald Trump's tariffs impacts their bottom line and they have no choice but to pass that on to consumers or to lose money 

3. When US companies pass on the cost of Donald Trump's tariffs to consumers, IT CAUSES INFLATION in the US economy. 

4. This increase in cost to US companies reduces our purchasing of foreign goods and that hurts our trading partners. This wrecks the long term relationship that we have with all of our global trading partners. 

5. When those trading partners respond with reciprical tariffs, it hurts our US companies that depend on exporting their products to those countries.

6. When the US government collects Donald Trump's tariffs FROM US COMPANIES(not foreign countries) it's basically like an additional tax on US COMPANIES and it generates revenue FOR THE US GOVERNMENT.

7. This is what it's entirely about:

Donald Trump has 2 forms of progressive brain diseases. 1 is organic( dementia) the other is psychiatric (delusions of grandeur).  His decisions are increasingly being negatively impacted as they get worse and worse. Nobody with his conditions at age 80 has ever recovered.

                Re: Re: Re: Re:  Iran War 4/24/26+           

                            By metmike - June 12, 2026, 11:34 a.m.    

With the tariffs, despite it being crystal clear how damaging they are, Donald Trump's diseased brain sees the massive power that tariffs give to him to control the entire world. The omnipotent Donald Trump can wave his magic tariff wand and all the countries in the world must bow down before him. He can blatantly lie about who pays them and the profoundly negative impacts to our country and our trading partners,  including to himself(the delusion) to justify them.        

This same diseased brain is how Bibi Netanyahu convinced Donald Trump to attack Iran. Convincing him that it would be an easy victory. Iran's leaders would be overthrown quickly and Donald Trump would be an historical legend in the Middle East as the president of the United States that finally took out evil Iran after their numerous decades of being the world's biggest terrorist sponsoring country.  This is not speculation!

 How Netanyahu used Donald Trump for his war        

           Started by metmike - April 10, 2026, 4:10 p.m.    

 https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/119441/

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What would our economy and the world be like right now without these ruinous tariffs and the war in Iran being imposed on it by the most powerful man in the world because of his diseased brain????

Amazon says it got $600 million in Trump tariff refunds and will pass return along to some customers

https://nypost.com/2026/07/31/business/amazon-customers-to-receive-trump-tariff-refunds-after-600m-government-payout/

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Trump makes new demands for Russia, Iran sanctions bill named for Graham

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5997977-trump-demands-iran-tariff-power/

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Tariffs punish US companies and US consumers and hurt the US economy and have cost the manufacturing sector a lot of jobs because those companies had to pay costly tariffs on their materials/parts from other countries and needed to cut back employees.

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Sanctions (on Russia): Punish or change behavior regarding human rights, security, or geopolitical norms by making transactions illegal.

They act like an economic blockade; dealing with a blacklisted entity is a crime.

Tariffs on Russia: Punish US companies that have to pay the tariffs. Punish US consumers that pay the higher prices after those companies increase the price they charge on goods to pass on their increased cost. While Russia can continue to sell their products to make profits for their country and companies.

Something is seriously, SERIOUSLY wrong with a president of the United States that doesn't understand that, even after the Supreme Court ruled his tariffs to be illegal but continues to twist laws to invoke new ruinous tariffs to wreck the US economy!

Trump administration pays back $100bn in 'Liberation Day' tariffs to businesses

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyewn5wexvo?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us

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Corporate America will get much of the money back that they paid for Donald Trump's illegal and ruinous tariffs and passed on to consumers.

Consumers are getting nearZERO back from the higher prices we paid because of the tariffs!

Manufacturing jobs that were lost because of the tariffs are not coming back!

The drop in foreign investment is NOT coming back while Donald Trump is president!

Now, Donald Trump has imposed another round of illegal tariffs.

The OuterLimits (1995) Intro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dzxGlcErUo

As U.S.-Canada trade talks collapse, Carney says retaliatory tariffs will start Sept. 8

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/22/us-canada-trade-talks-collapse-ushering-in-wave-of-new-tariffs.html

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U.S. and Canada fall deeper into a trade war with new tariffs as talks collapse and blame is spread

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-imposes-50-tariffs-on-20-billion-worth-of-canadian-products-canada-says-it-will-retaliate

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There's only 1 person responsible for this unjustified trade war and all the other ruinous tariffs and trade wars as well as the war in Iran.

The Art of the Deal

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Art_of_the_Deal&oldformat=true

The world:

Tariffs on Canada Enter Day 2. Trump Resurfaces 51st State Idea

https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/sunday0823/card/tariffs-on-canada-enter-day-2-trump-resurfaces-51st-state-idea-15ICjhWN1kRatQc0INrH

'Wants benefits of US state': Trump hits back at Canada with '51st state' jibe amid tariff row

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/wants-benefits-of-us-state-trump-hits-back-at-canada-with-51st-state-jibe-amid-tariff-row-mark-carney-trade-news-101787464586855.html

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                The Trump-tanic            

                            Started by metmike - May 16, 2026, 5:44 p.m.       

     https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/120271/

President Trump suggests US will rename Lake Ontario ‘Lake America

https://fox8.com/news/trump-lake-ontario-lake-america/

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Donald Trump's diseased brain has no clue...........NONE that his behavior is exactly what helps the other side the most.

He's been the biggest gift to the D party in history. 

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8-27-26

Global Trends                 

Here’s Where Tariff Costs Are Piling Up—and Why Some States Are Hit Much Harder

https://www.investopedia.com/here-s-what-tariffs-have-cost-your-state-and-why-some-are-hit-much-harder-than-others-12069131

Key Takeaways

• U.S. importers have paid $343 billion in executive tariffs since January 2025, with Michigan, Georgia, and other auto-heavy states bearing the highest costs per household.
• Refunds from voided tariffs have boosted corporate profits, but consumers may not see the benefits due to limited refund pass-through.
• A new U.S.-Canada trade dispute is set to increase tariff costs for northern and industrial states, those already most impacted by executive tariffs.

Untested in court, Trump’s new tariffs on Canada raise legal questions

https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariff-canada-supreme-court-depression-e5501950e025dbe8df2b7ec662dbe2e4

Map estimates where Trump tariffs are hitting hardest

https://www.newsweek.com/map-estimates-trump-tariffs-hitting-hardest-12389187

Household Tariff Costs

Michigan ranks first, with a per-household equivalent of $5,619, followed by Georgia at $4,771 and California at $4,552, according to the tracker.

Americans hate both ‘Lake America’ and Trump’s trade war with Canada    

https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/02/politics/trump-lake-america-canada-polls

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How is it possible that 20% of people actually support this?

You have to watch Fox New all day, believe all of Donald Trumps absurd lies and live in an authentic news and authentic economics facts vacuum.