frey - will try a new thread
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Started by cfdr - Jan. 30, 2018, 12:12 p.m.

I typed a response, but this forum locked up.  Will try to post to a new thread here.


"1) the 30's was not lack of hope - it was lack of opportunity that brings on the lack of hope"

The lack of opportunity brings on a lack of hope, and it is the lack of hope that is dangerous.

"2)  I disagree that the lack of Incentive to work proceeds a country's path into communism it is a result of communism."

I re-read my post, and I'm sure that I did not say that it precedes the path into communism.  Yes, it is a result of communism.  On a somewhat lessor level, increasing socialism does the same thing.

"3) In every country that has ever went into a revolution to communism it has happened because the wealth of that country has been all put into a select few hands and the Poor have nothing and no place to turn to so they pick up the guns and they fight for change."

Of course.  If people are at least somewhat satisfied with how things are, they have no desire to burn everything down.

"4) never in the history of the world has a country switched to communism because it taxed its wealthy to much."

Unfortunately, this path always seems to lead to a lack of incentive to work.  Increased government controls are inevitable.  And, while I have always agreed with the idea that the biggest problem with capitalism is this wealth divide, the path can be the opposite of what the socialists desire.

Let's see if I can give an analogy here.  Let's say you are an ER doctor.  The ambulance pulls in to the door, and the patient is rolled in to you.  He is bleeding profusely from a gunshot wound.  You look at him and discover that he is suffering from a slow-acting cancer that will eventually kill him.  You immediately start him on radiation therapy and chemotherapy.

Far-fetched?  Maybe, but the analogy holds, IMHO.  The first thing the "doctor" needs to do for our country is to "stop the bleeding."  Without decent jobs, and soon, the patient will die, because we need to start producing things we use immediately or we will be beyond the point of help.  I believe that Donald Trump understands this.  I believe that his tax plan would have been better, but he lives in the real world, and he knew that he needed to make a deal or the patient would die.  Like in the ER, once the bleeding is stopped and the patient is recovering, the radiation and chemo need to be started - but starting them before dealing with the life-threatening condition would be disastrous.


You are going to answer my question in the TR thread, aren't you? 

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By TimNew - Jan. 31, 2018, 3:19 a.m.
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tried to reply below.  Will attempt here.


"3)  In every country that has ever went into a revolution to communism it has happened because the wealth of that country has been all put into a select few hands and the Poor have nothing and no place to turn to so they pick up the guns and they fight for change.

4) never in the history of the world has a country switched to communism because it taxed its wealthy to much."


Are you implying that there is a lack of opportunity in this country that is severe enough to cause the kind of desperation that will lead to a revolution?   Granted, the rich have gotten richer,  but so have the poor.  Just at a slower rate.  But with job participation creeping up, wages increasing at an improving rate, minority unemployment at the lowest levels ever recorded,  I hardly see a scenario where we're on the verge of a revolution.


We have a faction of the population that needs to learn that when someone else has more stuff,  it's not really unfair.  If we want more, we have to work for it. Many of us learned that on the playground.

By cfdr - Jan. 31, 2018, 11:45 a.m.
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Seems like frey skipped out.  (g)