Conservatives not creative?
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Started by TimNew - June 22, 2019, 10:46 p.m.

I recently read a comment where the claim was made that conservatives, for the most part, are incapable of creativity. Most of you probably consider me pretty conservative and I would agree. Unlike the “liberal” or “progressive” label, I don’t consider that an insult. Leftists seem to take offense when you apply the latter to them…But I digress.

Most of you probably know I design software for a living. Been doing that for over 4 decades. It’s a great way for me to make a living and I’m going to miss doing it when I retire in a few years. Maybe I’ll find a way to fill the gap.

Anyway, as a software developer, business comes to me with objectives and asks how I can deliver software to help them achieve those goals. I think I am correct when I say the vast majority of people would throw up their hands and not even begin to comprehend how to go about doing that. 

I’ll put together some high level specs, get approval from the business, put together low level specs, assemble a team, and deliver a usable software solution. It’s a radically creative process. I’ll create a data base and 1,000’s of lines of code that would make your head hurt. The complexity, at times, is mind boggling. So many millions of components working together in nano seconds and working perfectly. (Some of the time , most of the time?<G>)

I have a long resume of successes but I won’t bore you with them. I will say that over the last 4+ decades, I’ve enabled companies to add millions to their revenue/profits for a cost that amounts to a fraction of those millions. My current project is enabling a 250 million/year company to become a billion/year company. Going well and probably my last major project :( . I have to get up early tomorrow to help implement the latest.  Industry is Home Health Care. This is one of the great hopes for reducing medical costs. Anyway, It's a scheduling tool that is partially cloud based, interfacing with google maps to help managers schedule services to assorted homes in the most efficient way possible. Look at your apointments, the locations, the service providers, and drag and drop for the most efficient  deployment possible.  Save your provider hundres of miles  per year.

But, in all fairness, I cannot for the life of me create a narrative that makes socialism look like a swell idea. So, I guess in that regard, I am not very creative.

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By metmike - June 23, 2019, 12:58 a.m.
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Congrats on your very successful career Tim.  Thanks for sharing the personal story to get to know you a little bet better.

I wouldn't know where to begin doing that job.

By TimNew - June 23, 2019, 8:28 a.m.
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And I can't predict weather to save my life.

BTW, Implementation went well this AM. A little over a year in the making. But ya never really know until the users have spent a few weeks/months trying to do things in combinations you never imagined  :-)

By mcfarmer - June 23, 2019, 3:53 p.m.
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Once again I failed in communicating my viewpoints to the audience.


There are of course conservative artists, authors, actors and in your case software developers. Congratulations to you on a most rewarding career.


My point was to political and societal thinking, which is the common arena for the labels of conservative and progressive. I guess I shouldn’t assume so much.


Conservatives by nature want things to remain the same, the way they like them, the way they’ve always been. Progressives are always looking for  improvements. Progressive ideas generally always win out. 


Some conservatives see their idea of America as being threatened, as dying. Which, it is. The future is not ours, demographics are changing, they always have been. Many conservatives just can’t see an America not in the control of old white men, they resent it and lash out.


Sorry old white men, our time is limited;  unless we embrace the changes and help direct them. It will still be America, just not the one you grew up in. Conservatives can’t handle that. Progress can’t be stopped, only steered.

By mcfarm - June 23, 2019, 6:50 p.m.
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Tim please wake up!!! libs are sooooo creative. First with young people's minds and then with other peoples money

By mcfarmer - June 23, 2019, 6:59 p.m.
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At its founding the US was the most progressive experiment of the time.

Venezuela’s problem was more of a corruption problem.

Such a fun place. Such eloquent debate.

Tim you make the most improbable leaps, I can’t really believe you are wanting an honest conversation. Troll I think.


Sorry Mike, it’s not possible.

By mcfarm - June 23, 2019, 7:14 p.m.
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Tim does not need my defense mcfarmer. But just for you information Tim happens to be one of brightest posters this board has ever had. Couple that with his beyond wonderful debating skills shown over years here he hardly needs some a newby coming by and taking crack shots at his back and then doing the inevitable lib reaction of blaming him, and then taking your ball and running off.

By mcfarmer - June 23, 2019, 7:28 p.m.
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I participate for entertainment and knowledge. 


Not to feel like I need to take a shower afterwards.

By mcfarm - June 23, 2019, 7:37 p.m.
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again with the puzzle of an answer. If you truly participate for those reasons, Tim again would be the one to read. So your "creative" answer falls way short.

By TimNew - June 23, 2019, 8:06 p.m.
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"At its founding the US was the most progressive experiment of the time."

So if progressive was good then, it's good now, right?  Seriously. This is logic for you?

"Venezuela’s problem was more of a corruption problem."

Golly.  Corruption in a strong central government that chooses how resources are distributed.  Who could have ever seen that coming? Said every single socialist/communist country ever.

This is the idiocy of the left personified.  "They were not as smart as us.  They cheated. We'll get it right this time".




By metmike - June 23, 2019, 9:31 p.m.
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Not to get in the middle of a good fight but though I support most of the policies and agenda of Tim's side because they make the most sense, the reality of the real world tells us that mcfarmer will be proven right as time marches on.

Sadly, Trump's ability to barely get enough votes to win the last election and the republicans controlling both houses for a time was probably the last we've seen of the conservatives winning like this.

As mcfarmer put it, old white men, (some of them old, white, successful, hard working wise men)  are gradually dying off and being replaced by younger, more progressive, less successful, less white, more gay, more extreme, more liberal, more imported men and women who were raised in the generation that only knows what the current progressive mentality of the world s telling them.

Never had to try to figure things out for themselves using critical thinking and common sense in the same manner that we did before we had electronic devices and the MSM and social media telling us what to think. 

There is no better example than the fake climate crisis. They have been bamboozled to believe the current climate optimum is a crisis and humans can fix it if we just do what those humans tell us to do.

I can show hundreds of pages of empirical data and authentic science and prove that the planet is greening up not dying and that polar bears are not dying, they are becoming so numerous in some places as to present a problem but none of that matters because the world has changed..............not climate changed but changed by the way people have become effectively and easily brainwashed by "save the planet" and similar progressive propaganda to control them and control where we are headed.

It can't be stopped Tim/mcfarm. You guys think that realities in the world will cause people to make the best choices and that's what will win. No, they will make the progressive and more extreme liberal choices. The Green New Deal type choices to save the planet because our kids in school are being taught this stuff.

It takes much less work to fool somebody than to show them they were fooled.  Once you get fooled, you interpret all new information in biased fashion so that you automatically reject information that shows that you were fooled.

These young people are not going to change and will only be replaced by an even more progressive group as us old, white, conservative, critically thinking common sense people die off. 


By metmike - June 23, 2019, 10:20 p.m.
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Our young people are not dumb. I have coached 3,000 of the most brightest in scholastic chess the past 25 years. They know more about alot of things than I ever did at that age.

But the technology and world today is different. The technology to hijack climate science and take control of a climate crisis narrative, then sell it with a convincing marketing scheme to billions of people was not possible 50 years ago.

The MSM and gate keepers of information today, hold the key to controlling what people think. They are progressive and that is never going to change. I was part of the MSM as chief meteorologist for WEHT in Evansville IN from 1982-1993. I worked with some good people and I think that almost everybody in the MSM are actually good people. But they are very liberal and progressive and some in the national MSM,  like CNN or Fox, practice more political activism to impart their belief system on viewers vs professional journalism.


People spend many hours a day on their electronic devices. Human brains are changing quickly as we use them to constantly assimulate the information gleaned on our electronic devices.

They can be used to expand our knowledge and understand more things about other people and how they think...................but unfortunatley, because of innate cognitive bias in most of us, it doesn't work that way.

People search for information that confirms what they think that they know. They look for information to defend what they know that they know to prove to those that disagree with them, that they are right and the others are wrong.

It's extraordinarily rare, when there is debate or dispute, or disagreement, that either party will spend time doing research to see why the other party is, or might be right.

So all we do is strengthen whatever view or bias that we have and this often makes one or both parties dumber because they will believe fake news when it lines up with their side but discard authentic news when it contradicts what they think they know and definitely less tolerant of views that other people have. 


By metmike - June 23, 2019, 10:46 p.m.
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By metmike - June 23, 2019, 10:52 p.m.
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So the point of posting all those threads is to show examples of how articles on the internet determine how we think and what we think and which ones that we choose to believe or not to believe based on our personal cognitive bias.


By metmike - June 24, 2019, 5 a.m.
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On that last thread above. It was not my intention when I retrieved it as an example of something else but it’s profound evidence of why 2 posters here had to be banned for refusing to follow basic rules, after getting numerous chances.


By mcfarm - June 24, 2019, 6:25 a.m.
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Wow....great read. Thanks MM

By metmike - June 24, 2019, 10:29 a.m.
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Well, mcfarmer blew his top with some way, way out of line language and personal attacking, so I had to delete the post, along with Tim's rubbing it in.


However, mcfarmer has been a great contributor here and this is not at all what has defined his posts in the past. I still consider him a friend and until he posts like this last one on a regular basis, he is welcome back.

Everybody can blow their tops under the right or wrong circumstances. I've had to warn mcfarm a handful of times over the last year too but would never ban him unless he was out of control because he contributes alot of good trading posts. 

I hope that mcfarmer will return and if he decides to do so, expect others to respect him and his sincere opinions.

Under these circumstances, I would actually challenge mcfarmer to return to post on his terms because as far as I'm concerned he just acted human. 

Actually, I contend that this is an example of what politics in our world today is doing to many  good people. Intelligent people, sharing people who care about others and the world around them that get pulled into the increasingly divisive nature.

I implore all  people to rise above the divisiveness and the hate of todays politics that feeds on the cognitive bias in us which we often have no control over. Let your true colors and many positives shine brightly by intentionally making posts or using words and actions that crush the forces pulling us towards chaos, using hatred and negatives.


By mcfarm - June 24, 2019, 11:10 a.m.
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I am actually sorry you had to do that MM. I, for one, would like to read the post so I know what I am dealing with. I must of missed it earlier. Certainly do not see anything here that would of triggered such a response but cannot judge it til I read it.

By TimNew - June 24, 2019, 11:35 a.m.
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McFarmer took exception to my use of "nucking futz" in an above post.   I meant it as a joke, but will admit it probably, at the least, stretches the rules we follow here to the breaking point.  I'll refrain in the future and offer my apologies to MM, McFarmer and the Forum in general. 

By metmike - June 24, 2019, 12:16 p.m.
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In the big picture of life or MarketForum...........it was not a big deal and mcfarmer agrees by email.

I look forward to having him return as a valuable contributor and friend.

He is the kind of guy that I would not want to lose as a friend or poster.


Tim,

Since I don't read every word of every post, I completely missed your pig (latin)language verbiage that triggered mcfarmer's pig(latin) language response. 

Pretty clever by you guys but obviously unacceptable. 

Apology accepted. I deleted that post as there was more confrontational content to it also.