Climate change isn't our only existential threat
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Started by metmike - July 7, 2019, 11:37 p.m.

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"Climate change and the danger of nuclear war are closely related. As climate change progresses over the coming decades, large areas of the planet will be unableto support their human population. As a result, there will likely be forced migrations on a scale unknown in human history, and an enormously increased risk of conflict, including nuclear conflict. Nuclear war, should it come, would cause further catastrophic climate disruption and widespread global famine.


Fortunately, there is a much greater focus on climate change in this election cycle than in 2016 when it received scant attention in the campaign despite the enormous differences in the policies espoused by the major candidates. This time around, the growing demand for action, especially by young people, and the daily reminders of the escalating damage to the planet, are forcing this issue to the fore where it rightly belongs.

Sheer luck has helped us avoid nuclear war so far -- now we need to take action

Sheer luck has helped us avoid nuclear war so far -- now we need to take action


Progressives in Congress have put forward a comprehensive plan to deal with this crisis in the form of the Green New Deal, and there is the real possibility that a post-Trump administration will embrace this plan or some variant on it. Unfortunately, there is much less attention at this point in the campaign to the growing danger of nuclear war. That must change."

By metmike - July 7, 2019, 11:42 p.m.
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This guy makes some good points on nuclear war.

However, on climate change:

"large areas of the planet will be unable to support their human population"..............catastrophic climate change and nuclear war are unique in the threat they pose to the very survival of human civilization."

The planet is greening up and we are having a climate optimum:

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds                   


From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

globe of Earth from North Pole perspectiveThis image shows the change in leaf area across the globe from 1982-2015.
By metmike - July 7, 2019, 11:48 p.m.
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My question can you have a serious discussion with somebody with regards to nuclear weapons, when part of it includes a completely made up climate crisis and a Green new deal that would do nothing at all to affect the climate, even if there was a crisis?

Just to let any newbies know that this atmospheric scientist acknowledges the 1 degree of beneficial warming as well as how it is affecting and not affecting different kinds of weather/climate and the affects of CO2.

So let's just have a discussion on nuclear weapons.