I have heard everybody has a price
Well: It sure looks like the situation with epstein had a price
How could epstein death be ruled a suicide
These are the things that happened in order for him to commit suicide. This is not speculative but the things that DID happen, according to the explanation.
1. Epstein tried to kill himself last month and was put on suicide watch. Then, he was taken off of suicide watch for some reason.
2. Epstein had a roommate..........that was transferred the night of his suicide.
3. There were 2 guards that were supposed to be watching/doing regular checks of Epstein that night(the highest profiled person incarcerated in the world at the time). They both, reportedly were sleeping for 3 hours during the time that Epstein killed himself(and have been suspended).
4. Then he did this: "He appeared to have tied a bedsheet to the top of a set of bunk beds, then knelt toward the floor with enough force that he broke several bones in his neck, officials said."(I have tried hard to imagine how kneeling forward could do this and it seems impossible)
All these extraordinarily strange things could have happened at the same time, it's possible. Just like, if you go back a billion years in the earth's history, it's possible that a location on this planet that got hit by an asteroid, also got hit by a major hurricane that day, then later that day, there was a major earthquake in that location(-:
Obviously those are random natural disasters with no human element involved.
In the case of Epstein, every event and decision above was related to human decision making.............not randomness. All the humans making the decisions knew who he was and what was at stake(much better than you and I who are just reading internet stories).
All those humans making stupendous/colossal blunders by accident, simultaneously just by coincidence have miniscule chances of happening.......must be something like 1 in a billion or smaller.
The alternate theory that somebody had him killed?
Odds certainly are much, much more likely than 1 in a billion that somebody had him killed. Actually, it would explain everything, especially the neck broken in 3 places vs the kneeling forward with a sheet tied around his neck explanation.
Add in the fact that he had some secrets about powerful people and the motive, as well as influence of the people he could hurt makes sense.
What separates this from your typical conspiracy theory, is conspiracy theories, almost always have viable explanations that make sense for why and how things happened.
In this case, the current explanation relies on us believing in numerous incredible blunders by numerous people related to an incredibly important person/case in the spotlight that should have made blunders less likely.
seems like you covered it MM except for the fact that his room had no sheets of the ordinary type that could hold a large human......his were paper. Have not herd anything about the 24hrs/day video that was supposed to be in effect.
Well McFarm, on top of all the other events, the surveillance cameras were reported to have failed/malfunctioned.
video camera malfunctioned......wow, wonder how wild conspiracy theories get started? On the internet yesterday, a picture of Oswald getting shot on live TV and the crawl said "out FBI protecting us for over 50 years" yes we know the Fi was not at the jail joj, but you get the drift?
"The suspicions on Epstein's team center on the 3 fractures around Epstein's neck -- the hyoid bone in the Adam's apple area, along with 2 fractures on either side of the thyroid cartilage. It is extremely rare hanging can result in 3 such fractures. The fractures are way more consistent with strangulation.
We're told Epstein's team is also very suspicious 2 guards responsible for monitoring him fell asleep at the same time. One guard, maybe, but 2 raises questions."
I was thinking 1 in a billion chances of all these extraordinarily unlikely things to all happen at the same time but am thinking more like 1 in a 1 trillion now after reviewing more evidence.
There couldn't have been enough force generated for him to have 3 neck fractures, including that of his hyoid bone based on just leaning forward from a bunk bed. It's just impossible based on the physics/science/anatomy. I would bet that it's never happened before in history.
A fractured hyoid is possible from any blunt trauma to the neck. However, it is more common in a strangling than in a hanging, according to the National Center for Biotechnology Information.
"Fractures of the hyoid bone in suicide hangings are rare and when you further keep in mind this was not a suicide hanging from stepping off a high ladder," said Wecht.
According to reports, Epstein had tied a bed-sheet to the bunk and kneeled on the ground and then leaned forward to kill himself.
That maneuver, Wecht said, is not conducive to breaking bones.
"In majority of those you don't see fractures because there is no great amount of force," said Wecht. "It's basic physics."
Death would likely come from pressure applied to the neck and cut off circulation of nerves, particularly the vagus nerve, which is the tenth cranial nerve and longest nerve in the body, Wecht said.
So the question should really no longer be about whether he committed suicide or not since the circumstances tell us convincingly that it could not have been but why he was killed, who was involved and how the corrupted criminal justice system allowed this to happen........and how we hold those accountable for intentionally allowing it and causing it to happen.
My guess is that those with the knowledge about it to expose it have great incentive to keep quiet, some possibly monetarily or other resources but most likely, some fearing their own safety.
The risk for coming forward is several orders of magnitude greater than any reward and the rewards for staying silent, are probably several orders of magnitude greater than the risks of staying silent.
They just killed a man that should have been the most protected person on the planet. Would you want to double cross them????
The coroner of course is in on it too.
However, New York City’s chief medical examiner has now revealed that he took his own life. ”It is suicide by hanging,” said spokeswoman Aja Worthy-Davi.
"Reports have nonethelss indicated that standard protocol was not met in the jail. Two guards have been put on administrative leave, after it was determined that they had fallen asleep, and had falsified records in a log to indicate they had been checking on the disgraced financier every 30 minutes, as was required. Falsified entries such as those could constitute a federal crime.
The warden of the jail has also been reassigned. "
Jeffrey Epstein had an oil painting of Bill Clinton in a blue dress — lounging on a chair in the Oval Office — hanging up in his Manhattan townhouse, according to law enforcement sources.
“It was hanging up there prominently — as soon as you walked in — in a room to the right,” a source told The Post. “Everybody who saw it laughed and smirked.”
But the bizarre home decor didn’t stop there.
Epstein, 66, also kept a mannequin hanging from the ceiling — dressed up in a wedding gown, the source said, noting how the doll was situated above a staircase.
A woman who visited Epstein’s $56 million home confirmed the existence of the Clinton painting to the Daily Mail, but didn’t mention the mannequin. She was able to snap a picture of the painting, which was posted online Wednesday.
In it, the former president can be seen lounging on a chair in the Oval Office — pointing toward the viewer — while wearing red heels and a blue dress similar to the one Monica Lewinsky famously donned during their White House hookup.
metmike: This was NOT a suicide!!!!
We can count on the good old MSM to try to use this to vilify Trump. (CNBC-this story and CNN are the worst)
Here's the story:
French prosecutors open probe of possible crimes linked to Jeffrey Epstein
CNBC decides to use some video to accompany this story. Keep in mind, there might be a hundred+ videos and maybe dozens of hours to choose from.
Do they show the apartment in France that the story is about or anything that directly links to that aspect?
Instead, they find some 1992 footage of him with Donald Trump at a big party in Palm Beach FL...........27 years ago.
August 28, 2019 / 4:51 PM / Updated 7 hours ago
(Reuters) - Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.
Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.
By metmike - Aug. 18, 2019, 4:14 p.m.
" I was thinking 1 in a billion chances of all these extraordinarily unlikely things to all happen at the same time but am thinking more like 1 in a 1 trillion now after reviewing more evidence."
update: Let's bump it up to 1 in a 5 trillion chance of it being suicide, after finding out about these 2 additional extraordinarly unlikly things happening at the same time.
After considering all these questionable circumstances that are mentioned in this thread-
Can you believe Epstein's previous "attempted suicide" was really an attempted suicide?
Did anyone here actually interview him and ask him if he tried to kill himself? It is very hard to trust anything /anyone
except what you see with your own eyes. Maybe that "attempt" was a diversion set-up for the real thing that they
knew had to be done.
I need to be cautious today.
The guy had a lot of important and powerful people very nervous, and I'll bet some of them are not as honorable and upstanding as the Clinton's <G>
the MSM ignores the Epstein story? That's easy to understand. It's not a pleasant story. Write about that story, and sooner or later you have to address Bill Clinton's 26 trips on the Lolita Express. Had Trump made just one trip to that island, we certainly would hear a lot about Epstein.
The main job of the MSM is to smear Trump.... let's focus on that, and leave the Epstein sideshow alone.
Robach lays it out in the video: Her bosses told her quote "nobody knows who this guy is," in relation to Epstein. You don't think that's basically an order to stand down?
ABC’s explanation is literally exactly the same as NBC’s pathetic excuse for not airing its Harvey Weinstein reporting. That the reporting did not meet their standards for air. Let me tell you what is newsworthy alone: This photo.
That's a photo of a member of the British royal family with his hands wrapped around a 17-year-old girl at the residence of a known sexual predator. Do you have anymore questions?
Every single one of us know why ABC News did not run this story and why NBC News killed the story into Harvey Weinstein: they wanted to preserve their relationships with the powerful. If they ran it, how else would things like this happen…?
Yet, instead of facing these questions, ABC has convinced another network, CBS, to fire the staffer who blew the whistle on the spiked Epstein story in the first place. Or in other words, paired with NBC News' burying of the Harvey Weinstein story, we now have evidence of three major media institutions colluding to bury stories about serial abusers. One wonders how many young women might have been saved if they hadn't.
"The Epstein cover-up is a massive media scandal because it starkly demonstrates what the actual nature of the mainstream media has become. And that nature is to protect the powerful elite at all costs, no matter what crimes they’ve committed, while hunting down and persecuting the innocent, based on what often turn out to be lies."
metmike: His attempt at damage control, instead revealed an arrogant, dishonest person who clearly thinks of himself as better than the rest of us.
Too bad and sad for him.
I'll take being a poor yaw-who from Indiana that cares about others and puts their interests up front vs living in the world of royalty, luxury and celebrity or the rich and powerful that put self serving interests(including using children for their sexual gratification) ahead of anything else.
Interesting that the video that they decided to show with the story is a clip from 1992 that has Donald Trump in it.
January 9, 2020,
"The five hours of footage taken by a camera outside of Epstein's cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in lower Manhattan between 11 p.m. on July 22 and 4 a.m. on July 23 was mistakenly not preserved, federal prosecutor Geoffrey S. Berman wrote in a letter sent Thursday to U.S. District Court Judge Kenneth M. Karas.
Epstein was discovered unresponsive in his cell and with injuries to his neck in the early morning hours of July 23."
"Lawyers for MCC told federal prosecutors that while a backup system was in place to preserve all videos taken in the jail's Special Housing Unit, "technical errors" caused the backup system to fail.
"This is the result of cronyism. Director Hawk has work to do to eradicate incompetence. Executive staff are in positions based on cronyism," Joe Rojas, senior official of the Bureau of Prisons officer union, told ABC News in a statement."
metmike: The evidence was already overwhelming that this was NOT a suicide (see that above) but now we have 2 more pieces of evidence of the cover up.
The video from the camera that was shooting outside of Epsteins cell, inexplicably was destroyed(not saved).
No way would this video, which was incredibly important, in fact key evidence to one of the most important cases in history...........would some how, accidentally get destroyed.
To top it off, the back up camera suffered "technical errors" and so there was no video from that source either.
Proof that this is a cover up comes from what the prison did when responding to the request for the video.............they sent them a video from another tier and hoped it would not be noticed.
"In his letter, Berman wrote that the government was initially informed that the video from July existed and was sent a copy of the purported footage.
"After reviewing the video, it appeared to the Government that the footage contained on the preserved video was for the correct date and time, but captured a different tier than the one where [Epstein's cell] was located because the preserved video did not show corrections officers responding to any of the cells seen on the video," Berman wrote."
A video of Epstein's tier that night would show who murdered him. No way the prison video people accidentally got the videos mixed up in a case like this.........sending out the wrong video or a different tier and then, after getting busted, stating that the right one was accidentally destroyed.
Yeah, right just like the thousands of innocent emails that belonged to Hillary Clinton that got destroyed (-:
Or the $1,000 she turned into $100,000 in 1 year trading cattle futures(in a field she knew nothing about and a commodity she knew nothing about).
"One analysis performed by Auburn University and published in the Journal of Economics and Finance claimed to find that the odds of a return as large as Clinton obtained during the period in question were about one in 31 trillion"
"There never was any official governmental investigation into, or findings about, or charges brought regarding Hillary Rodham's cattle futures trading."
metmike: Sure is strange that so many of these events in Clintons lives have a 1 in a trillion chance of happening. You might start to think that its not a coincidence.