What's more dangerous, corona or our reaction to it?
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Started by GunterK - March 18, 2020, 8:54 p.m.


this writer wonders about the costs of our fear, and our reaction to the corona virus. When it's all over, how many businesses will be bankrupt? How many workers will have lost their jobs, their savings, their homes? Some people even talk about a depression, similar to the one of the 1930s.

Will this virus really kill more people than our regular flu?

 I don't know the answers... 

By GunterK - March 18, 2020, 9:12 p.m.
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as of March 10:

According to CDC, this year's flu season has led to at least 16 million medical visits and 350,000 hospitalizations. CDC found that the percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness decreased to 5.3% in the week ending on Feb. 29, down from 5.5% the previous week. The national baseline for those visits is 2.4%.

CDC estimated that there have been 20,000 deaths related to the flu so far this season.

By metmike - March 18, 2020, 9:46 p.m.
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What a profound article and discussion.........thanks Gunter.

Is the cure worse than the disease???

You likely know what my opinion is on that.

We won't know for sure until a few weeks down the road, but for me, in thinking that the deaths from the Coronavirus will be less than 10% of the flu deaths...........it's hard to justify 1,000 times more extreme measures at monumental costs to address something doing less than 10% of the damage of the other thing.

You can't put a monetary value on peoples lives but you can assign a reasonable amount to try to save lives based on the benefits after the cost.

One thing overlooked is that all these draconian measures taken to save lives by lessening the spread of the Coronavirus will likely save more lives of people that don't get the flu.

100 times more people will get the flu this year than coronavirus. 

The numbers of those NOT getting the flu will plunge, though the seasonal drop typically happens in the Spring. 

So this is an added bonus............but we never did anything like this before for the flu and thats not why we're doing it now. People could care less about the affects on the spread of the flu or lessening deaths from the flu.

They are petrified with mind numbing fear and can't think straight.  

That said, there is no vaccine or immunity to the coronavirus so the potential for exponential growth in the number of cases is higher than the flu(its more contagious too) and the earlier you stop the spread,. the quicker you can arrest the exponential growth that, left unchecked can explode from hundreds to a million people in a month.; 

But this is not Ebola that kills 50% of those infected. For people under 50, the risk  if you are infected is similar to that of the flu.  

It's killing the old/sick(compromised immune systems) at the totally unacceptable very high rate. Young people with it and not even knowing they have it are giving it to old people. 

Ironically, all these old people are non productive members of our society. Their lives count as much as younger people but if we want to protect them..........completely isolate them and completely take them out of circulation until we have a vaccine in a year, it will NOT affect the productivity of the rest of the world.

The tremendous damage is being done by draconian measures imposed on the productive members of society that could weather the virus storm as well as they have during the last XX number of flu seasons.

Actually, the Swine Flu in 2009/10 was a bigger threat to them than the Coronavirus.

 Everyone forgets 2009 Swine Flu Pandemic            

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                Started by metmike - March 10, 2020, 11:47 a.m.           


 But my opinion will morph with the latest data, as should everybody's. Most people have already decided to be 1,000 times more afraid of the Coronavirus than they have/had been of the flu that they have lived(and died) with for their entire lives.   

I am 65 years old and my hundreds of hours following the data, has resulted in one huge change for me going forward. Starting next flu season, for the first time in my life and forever, I will be getting a flu shot. The risk from dying from the flu is many, many times more than Coronavirus and goes up rapidly with age.

In fact, one of the big reasons that the Coronavirus looks so deadly in the old/sick is that the oldest/sickest people are the ones that get the flu shot to the tune of 90% and that amount of them have at least some protection from the flu. Without a flu vaccine to protect this vulnerable group, the death rate would be at least triple what it is now. 

Not as bad as the Conavirus but this group has 0 protection from the Coronavirus and we're comparing Corona deaths to deaths from the flu in this same group that is close to 90% protected with some immunity to the flu from very effective flu vaccines..............but not telling people that some of that is not because the virus itself is more deadly to the human body(it is but note its not killing young people-who don't get vaccinated  for the flu at the same rate because the flu.............and coronavirus doesn't kill them at the same rate as the old/sick).



        metmike: If we did away with flu shots and allowed the vast majority of sick/elderly that are now protected from the consequences of the full impact of the flu, that protected portion of people would experience a HUGE increase in deaths(for the old AND sick, at least 2-3 times, if not much more)............maybe not as great as that from the Coronavirus but certainly much closer to it. This explains much of the increased death rate......especially for a country like Italy with the most old/sick people of any country. Flu deaths without a flue vaccine would look very similar to the bar graph above.

Look how low the death rate is for people under 50!!

0.2% is 1 out of 500 for you folks under 40!

0.0% is NOBODY for you little geniuses under 10 years,  that read MarketForum (-:

It's not that the Coronavirus is that much more deadly than the flu...............its that the sick and old people who are vulnerable to virus's like the flu are not protected like they are from the flu.

Once  a vaccine is developed this will all go away.  Once people realize what the real facts are(before the vaccine is ready)...........it will start getting much better. 


By metmike - March 18, 2020, 10:38 p.m.
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New study estimates 86 percent of coronavirus infections in China went undiagnosed prior to travel ban


Researchers say undiagnosed cases fueled the rapid spread in China.


  • documented cases.
  •  If undiagnosed patients hadn’t spread the virus, the number of cases could have been reduced by 66 percent in Wuhan and 79 percent across China.
  • The study underscores the need for widespread testing.