Skeptical Scientist on global warming
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Started by TimNew - March 22, 2020, 8:32 a.m.

Hiya MetMike.  What you think?

By metmike - March 22, 2020, 9:21 p.m.
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That is probably the worlds biggest climate science disinformation site.

They take a field(climate science) that few people understand or have data for and use a bunch of real climate science combined with anti science to spin a fake climate crisis out of a climate optimum.

Then, they pretend that they are the complete opposite of what they are and accuse those that disagree with them of doing what they do. 

Supposedly objective and open minded, they are the exact opposite of that. They start with a climate crisis and interpret(spin) all data to support the crisis, with very little skepticism or objectivety and one of the top priorities, is to discredit people like me (so called deniers) that are actually using scientific sceptism and letting the data lead us  vs subjectively interpreting data so it only supports one thing and ignoring all data that doesn't show it. 

They even did a bogus (manipulated) study that supposedly showed 97% of climate scientists agreed on the climate crisis.

John Cook, who runs it, has probably contributed to more people getting dumber  about climate and CO2 using internet sources than any one person on the planet.

John Cook basically just looks for papers and research that support his position and posts that stuff, along with convincing sounding narratives, some that are false and every one of those I can obliterate with authentic science. 

Ironically, he spends a great deal of time trying to convince people that people like me are the ones spreading misinformation:

Understanding and countering  misinformation about climate change  

John Cook George Mason University, USA

It's convincing sounding scientific frauds like him.........that have a 10,000 times bigger following than I will ever have that make my mission to enlighten people with the truth(about the fake climate crisis) a futile effort but still worth it since, at least, some people have come to better understand authentic, climate truths based on science not politics . 

This is my stuff:

...using data, from the viewpoint of an atmospheric scientist that has analyzed weather and climate almost every day for the past 38 years. I'm just reporting how the atmosphere and life on this planet is responding.......and how/why the politics hijacked climate science for global socialism. 

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By TimNew - March 23, 2020, 6:36 a.m.
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Thanks for the confirmation...

By TimNew - March 24, 2020, 7:49 a.m.
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I think we've discussed ice sheets melting is accelerating.  Do they get this one right?

By metmike - March 24, 2020, 1:54 p.m.
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Perfect example of their science disinformation campaign.

Melting ice is NOT accelerating.

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                      By metmike - March 8, 2020, 2:45 p.m.            


Tony Heller@Tony__Heller·

Climate alarmists say they love Arctic sea ice, but for some reason get very angry when they are shown that it is not disappearing


Replying to 


They hate it when you say "polar bears aren't dying like you climate alarmists were predicting." You would think they would be happy about such things.

                       Sea ice extent in recent years for the northern hemisphere.
                        The grey shaded area corresponds to the climate mean
                        plus/minus 2 standard deviations.

metmike: Arctic sea ice bottomed in 2012. It's hasn't recovered but the rapid melting has stopped for almost a decade.  Will it resume?  Probably but why are we still being told that Arctic sea ice is rapidly vanishing and will be gone in XX number of years when that has changed for almost a decade?




By metmike - March 24, 2020, 2:06 p.m.
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Arctic sea ice right now is HIGHER than it was on this date in 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016 and 2015.

Also, if you do the plots of 2014 and 2013, you will see that Arctic ice has been HIGHER for much of the year than when we bottomed out in 2012. 

Go to this link and hit those years to see the plot.

I am not saying that it will continue with the trend but they are lying to say that the melt is accelerating if its been mostly steady to  going the other way for 8 years.

John is not dumb. He gets these graphs and information. This is intentional.

He's a climate charlatan.  I can bust all of his stuff with authentic data but people come to his site and listen to his convincing sounding fake science and doctored graphs/info and believe him. 

From your link, this is what climate charlatan Cook states:

"Ice is melting at accelerating rates in the Arctic, Antarctica, Greenland, and glaciers all over the world."

Use the authentic data from this atmospheric scientist at MF to bust that MF not from MarketForum. 

By metmike - March 24, 2020, 2:17 p.m.
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Some critical thinking here.

If ice melt was accelerating(sea ice is already floating in the sea and melting it won't cause the sea levels to go up much) then sea levels should be rapidly accelerating higher.............they aren't.

The sea level continue to go up just over 1 inch..........per decade, similar to the last 150 years with a tiny increase in recent decades.

See the objective, authentic data/science below. 

                Antartica Ice Melt            

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                Started by joj - April 11, 2019, 8:30 a.m.            

Antarctic ice and sea levels/previous warmings-climate scientist corruption-IPCC: April 2019

By TimNew - March 24, 2020, 2:33 p.m.
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Good stuff.    Thanks MM  

I've been told the skeptical whatevah is a great site for good data,  so I've been looking and keep seeing things that don't seem to add up. 

Thanks again for confirmation.

By metmike - March 24, 2020, 2:52 p.m.
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"I've been told the skeptical whatevah is a great site for good data"

Let's really expose them here. Look at the graph that they show and note the dates at the bottom. WTHeck. No data from the last 9 years. This is intentionally deceptive because the most recent data from the last 8 years years shows that the ice has stopped melting in the Arctic and the peak melting, there and in Greenland was in 2012, so showing a graph to 2020 would show the ice melt is NOT accelerating.

They claim.  This is their graph that suddenly stops in 2010.

"Ice is melting at accelerating rates in the Arctic, Antarctica, Greenland, and glaciers all over the world."

(Image source: Climate Signals.)

Below is data going thru 2019.

metmike: Ice melt in the Arctic has come to a halt but continues in Greenland but is not accelerating at Greenland by definition of acceleration. If they wanted to be  scientifically honest, they would show data thru this year and mention that the peak ice melt was in 2012.

By metmike - March 24, 2020, 2:59 p.m.
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Pass this on, so that people seeing it will stop telling others that this is a great site for good data.

Misleading, convincing looking data yes. Honest science and updated empirical data based on objective observations...........the worst by a wide margin considering the sheer number of brains that have stored bogus information from this site. 

The less people we have hoodwinked into believing there is a climate crisis(during this climate optimum)........the better. 

By metmike - March 24, 2020, 6:13 p.m.
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Here's the final debunking of this claim with the actual data from the Antarctic.

Not only is the ice loss NOT accelerating but the last 3 years have featured GAINS in ice(from the lows) that have us close to the 40 year average.

Again, common sense tells us, knowing nothing about Arctic, Greenland and Antarctic ice that if sea levels are increasing at close to the same rate they have been for the last century(just over 1 inch/decade), then melting ice must not be accelerating as this source falsely claims.

Most of the worlds fresh water is locked up in Greenland and Antarctic Ice sheets. If the melting ever did accelerate, the oceans would increase much more than they are now.

Brilliant PHd Scientists  using mathematical equations and global climate model similations for the next xxx years have been telling us for decades that this will be happening.........sea levels will be XX feet higher in XX years.

Dummies like this atmospheric scientist from Yahoo Indiana who have been tracking the real atmosphere and planet by just observing it and taking note............the last 40 years have outperformed the models and brilliant scientists by a wide margin. 

Ironically, they call me the denier. John Cook spends much of his time trying to convince everybody that I am a denier of climate science and to believe only him and not me.

What does the authentic data show?

That's what you should believe........not a person-even a scientist person even if they use  convincing sounding words. Or a group like the IPCC(InterGOVERNMENTAL panel on climate change) or governments with political agenda. 

Or a teenager named Greta spouting anti science rhetoric to promote global socialism. 

Especially don't believe the United Nations or the fraudulent Climate Accord on this topic.

Believe the authentic data and trust in yourself to think independently in order to see what the truth is. 

By metmike - March 26, 2020, 12:28 p.m.
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 You will note the 40 year trend, on the previous graph, denoted by the dashed line is for Antarctic ice to be slightly INCREASING.

Not my opinion. The data is the data, I'm just showing it. 

This is exactly why the sea levels are NOT increasing at a rapidly accelerating rate as predicted by the climate crisis guru's.

If Antarctic ice ever starts melting fast...........and continues, then sea levels will go up faster. 

That might happen.............but it hasn't, which makes the models and those saying it would for 4 decades WRONG.

I am not saying that it won't happen, I'm just following the authentic data. When it shows that its happening, then I will say that we have actual data to support it happening.

When the data shows for 4 decades that its not happening despite models insisting that entire time that it should be happening, what source does it make sense to believe.

The computer program simulations of a future world using mathematical equations that go into global climate models?

The real world?

By metmike - March 26, 2020, 12:53 p.m.
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Not in decades has our air been so clean as our Earth and natural world heals - Aviation cruise and fossil fuel industry  demanding billions to once again pollute destroy our #climate - do not give them a cent unless they use green energy, work to save our climate not destroy it

metmike: Some climate activists are celebrating the coronavirus shutdowns because of the plunge in the use of fossil fuels and massively negative  effects on natural resource consuming economies. 

I say, its a wonderful example of how fossil fuel use has resulted in the incredible benefits to mankind, fueling economies and all the wonderful blessings that cause the quality of our lives and health to be light years better than 150 years ago.

And the beneficial CO2 that burning fossil fuels has blessed the planet with has rescued life from dangerously low levels of this gas. 

Sound strange?

Then why is the planet greening up massively?

A dying planet does not green up every year for the past 40 years from the thing that is supposedly killing it!!

Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds


From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

globe of Earth from North Pole perspectiveThis image shows the change in leaf area across the globe from 1982-2015.Credits: Boston University/R. Myneni

Green leaves use energy from sunlight through photosynthesis to chemically combine carbon dioxide drawn in from the air with water and nutrients tapped from the ground to produce sugars, which are the main source of food, fiber and fuel for life on Earth. Studies have shown that increased concentrations of carbon dioxide increase photosynthesis, spurring plant growth.

Deserts 'greening' from rising carbon dioxide: Green foliage boosted across the world's arid regions


Satellite data shows the per cent amount that foliage cover has changed around the world from 1982 to 2010. Click for a full-sized and detailed image.

 Increased levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) have helped boost green foliage across the world’s arid regions over the past 30 years through a process called CO2 fertilisation, according to CSIRO research.

In findings based on satellite observations, CSIRO, in collaboration with the Australian National University (ANU), found that this CO2 fertilisation correlated with an 11 per cent increase in foliage cover from 1982-2010 across parts of the arid areas studied in Australia, North America, the Middle East and Africa, according to CSIRO research scientist, Dr Randall Donohue.

By metmike - March 26, 2020, 12:55 p.m.
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Now that you've seen the authentic data, what do you believe.

The data...............

or Skeptical Science/John Cook.

If you say Skeptical Science, you are banned(just kidding)

By TimNew - March 26, 2020, 1:13 p.m.
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LOL, I had a very low level of confidence of SS to begin with.   Your data confirmed :-)

By metmike - March 26, 2020, 4:01 p.m.
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I know you well enough as somebody that bases their views on facts and critical thinking to know your view already but was posing the question to lurkers reading this stuff.

However, there are people much smarter than you and me(but not atmospheric scientists) that will go to that site, see their graph of ice melting in Greenland up until 10 years ago and think "Holy Cow, they must be right, the ice melt is accelerating in all those places"

The same places that I just proved, using authentic data to 2020 are not experiencing an acceleration in the ice melt.

The reason that it MUST BE presented as an acceleration vs a slower rate or pause in the melting of 10 years, then resuming(which would be scientifically honest) is that this is the only way it fits the climate crisis/emergency narrative.

With a climate emergency.........we MUST ACT NOW!

Without a climate emergency............we have plenty of time to see if actions are necessary.........if we even need to act at all because the fake cure for the fake crisis is 100 times worse than the fake disease.

The cure is global socialism of course and in the US, the Green New Deal that would cost tens of trillions of dollars and completely obliterate the economy.

With the current climate optimum in its early stages, most life should enjoy the beneficial increase in CO2(from near starvation below 300 ppm to the current 410 ppm) and the beneficial warming of just over 1 deg C. 

Like it did for a few thousand years, just over 5,000 years ago when the Arctic and higher latitudes were much warmer than this. Note the same "OPTIMUM".

Not the Holocene climate crisis or Holocene climate emergency, the Holocence climate..........OPTIMUM! Because the warmer climate conditions were optimal for life.

Holocene climatic optimum

Out of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites, where quantitative estimates have been obtained, local HTM temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher than now.  Northwestern North America had peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, and the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled the continent.  Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than present.[5] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than the present.[6]

By metmike - March 28, 2020, 2:12 p.m.
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British Climate Activists: “Corona is the cure. Humans are the disease”

By metmike - March 28, 2020, 2:26 p.m.
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Wonderful article/discussion:

Climate Change – Ebb and Flow of the Tide Part 1 of 3

Emotional, agenda-driven politics confronts sound, evidence-based science

Dr Kelvin Kemm

The topic of global warming and climate change is far more scientifically complex than the public is led to believe.

By metmike - March 31, 2020, 7:05 p.m.
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This particular source is the quintessential example of a  wolf in sheep's clothing.

A wolf in sheep's clothing is an idiom of Biblical origin used to describe those playing a role contrary to their real character with whom contact is dangerous, particularly false teachers.

Easy for them to manipulate data, make very misleading statements and exaggerate or even lie about the reality because nobody reading them has the weather/climate data, nor are they atmospheric scientists.  

People can't research everything about every topic(ok, actually they can but who has the time and expertise).  So they have to rely on convincing sources. Sadly, in today's age of the internet and media(half of which are progressive activists), the sources that we could once trust have  a high priority of convinving us of their personal belief system. 

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