Gimme that vaccine! .....Now! (I don't really mean that)
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Started by GunterK - May 18, 2020, 8:48 a.m.

When I spoke to my friend in Europe, a few days ago, corona was the main subject. Like here, everybody over there is ordered to stay at home. He said, he can hardly wait for the Covid19 vaccine to be available.

This single sentence still lingers in my mind. Not long ago, Dr. Fauci stated that the vaccine, when it does become available, may not be effective, and could “make the course of the disease even stronger”.

What??? Is he saying “more deaths”?

In the history of vaccination, this is nothing new. Even well-established and approved vaccines can induce the disease they are trying to prevent in the recipient, or cause other seemingly unrelated permanent medical problems and side effects. Taking a vaccine barely out of its development stage, in my opinion, is like playing Russian Roulette.

Well, they sure won’t catch me accepting a newly created covid19 vaccine. I will just say “no thank you”

However, this may not be possible. What is scary this time, there are more and more comments coming from certain groups about making this vaccination mandatory, implanting chips for mass surveillance, surveillance drones catching violators, etc., . (sounds like a totalitarian state in the making).

If I remember correctly, Hitler’s scientists also experimented with forced vaccinations in their Concentration Camps. After the war, some of these scientists were charged with “crimes against humanity” and sentenced to death.

But that was a long time ago. Today…. ah, well….


As most of us know by now, there are entities who want to control all humanity (NewWorldOrder), with one of their goals being a severe reduction of human population. Bill Gates also thinks along their lines. Over the last few years, he has heavily invested in the vaccine business.

Ironically, Bill Gates recently was interviewed by Stephen Colbert, discussing his plans of having every person on this planet vaccinated with his vaccine. At one point of the interview, Bill Gates called his vaccination program the “Final Solution”. Stephen jumped in and questioned Bill’s choice of words, and they both laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIDukORGNpE

I am sure, many of us, here on this forum, don’t see any humor in this comment.

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By wglassfo - May 18, 2020, 10:17 a.m.
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I did a post almost exactly like yours especially the part about Bil Gates

He has been accused with genocide in India and Africa while doing experimental tests with vaccines

Some members of the Italian parliament want him arrested for crimes against humanity

This chip marker vaccine by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a real proposition by Bill. Bill has also spoke openly about de-population some yrs ago

Some people don't take Bill seriously and I hope he does not succeed but so far he has the lead with various Pharma Co.s all looking for a vaccine of which he funds the research. Obviously Bill will own the patent if a vaccine is found by one of his affiliates

You probably did not read my previous post, as some MF people thought it was the twilight zone

By GunterK - May 18, 2020, 12:33 p.m.
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you are right... I didn't see your post... otherwise I would not have posted myself. Sorry 'bout that.

I am also aware of the accusations coming out of India, Africa and Italy, regarding his various vaccines. This would have been my next post.

Bill Gates is getting a lot of exposure, recently, on our media. The MSM, of course, is not pointing out the dark side. We have to take him seriously.

As a person of German heritage, I am sometimes asked "why did the decent people of Germany let Hitler get away with what he did. Why did they not stand up against the Nazis"? 

I hope, the next generation will not have to ask similar questions  about 2020.

"Well, first they made us afraid of a virus. Then they locked us up in our own homes (for our own safety). Many doctors tried to tell the people that something was wrong, but they were all silenced. The doctors who managed to get heard, were discredited. Then they forced us to get vaccinated (for our own safety). Many people avoided vaccination. Then they implanted microchips in our wrists. When a person without a microchip left his house, the alarms would go off, the police would come and take him to the implant and vaccination center. Some people tried to speak up, but they were taken to the "re-education camp" (for their own benefit). All this time, we were forced to listen to our MSM, which told us that all was well. Then people started dying in large numbers, and some of us realized that there were other things in those vaccines. besides the virus vaccine. But then, it was too late to stand up"

By metmike - May 18, 2020, 1:01 p.m.
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Gunter,

My 94 year old dad has never had a flu vaccine. He refuses and thinks that they are bad.

He is very healthy and amazingly has not had the flu for at least 20 years, so one can make a good case for him to act this way.

I also have never gotten a flu shot in my life. I did get the flu 10 years ago and was very sick. 

After studying this 100 times closer than ever before in my life because of the COVID-19 pandemic, I will likely be getting the flu shot next fall and the COVID-19 shot when it comes out and would be for mandatory vaccinations for people over the age of 65..........even people like my dad.

The massive benefits and science behind it are just too profoundly beneficial to all of society for us to allow some people to exercise their freedom of choice to the detriment of others.

Absolutely it hurts others.

If they get sick because they refused a vaccine, who takes care of them and the cost to be in ICU for an extended period can be hundreds of thousands. It also taxes the system and causes others to be exposed to their sickness.

So I disagree with you on this part.

I am all for individual liberties  but maybe its my being raised a far left democrat from Detroit  that still has part of their brain believing government is the best path for things like healthcare but on this, I think that I'm being scientific.



By wglassfo - May 18, 2020, 1:26 p.m.
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I see that Xi has just spoken to the G20 when that body is considering an investigation into china and their transparency or connection with the corona virus

To deflect criticism against china, XI is offering 2 billion to help poor countries who are infected with the virus. He is offering to set up means of moving medical equipment and medicine to the poor countries

He is also taking the position of allowing WHO to investigate the virus, once the pandemic is under control. WHO as we know has ben very sympathetic to china and has defended their actions many times even refusing to call the virus a pandemic,  long after it was obvious what we all had to deal with. This seems to be an effort to let WHO do all the investigation when Austrian scientist have offered the strongest evidence so far that this virus was manipulated to attack human cells and the virus may have escaped from the Chinese lab inadvertently. When Xi realized china had a pandemic on their hands, XI made the decision to have Chinese citizens from the epicentre of the virus travel to all parts of the world, carrying the virus which was highly contagious to humans. Xi decided his country could not suffer the destructive forces to his economy, alone, thus he decided the world economy should be decimated along with china. Then to add another tidbit the world is desperate to have, XI has offered to share a vaccine produced in china with the entire world. Would you trust a vaccine made in china?? However, Xi has made some very good offers of help to the mostly poor of this world, plus a vaccine for everybody, which on balance in the fight for the hearts and minds of those in the middle ground, might just post pone the investigation all together in return for all these goodies or decide WHO is qualified to investigate, once the virus is under control which could be many yrs and a sympathetic investigation is likely

Xi is obviously trying to deflect blame away from china and at the same time perhaps no investigation will happen if this drags on long enough

This is an obvious carefully crafted deflection, by XI from Trumps attacks against China with Xi trying to win the hearts and souls of the middle ground of the world, vs Trumps attack against china..

How many of  the G20 of which many are the poor countries could turn down 2 billion of medical help, plus an investigation by WHO  even if that help is from china who caused their misery

By GunterK - May 18, 2020, 1:52 p.m.
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metmike,

maybe, if there was a corona vaccine that was developed totally independently from Bill Gates, I would be willing to listen.

Bill Gates is quite openly a "depopulation through vaccination" guy. And he also  is proposing implanted microchip devises for surveillance. I am not quite ready for "1984"

Here is just one of the scandals

"....Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate Polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI) which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously."

and...

"....In 2014, the Gates Foundation funded tests of experimental HPV vaccines, developed by Glaxo Smith Kline (GSK) and Merck, on 23,000 young girls in remote Indian provinces. Approximately 1,200 suffered severe side effects, including autoimmune and fertility disorders. Seven died. Indian government investigations charged that Gates-funded researchers committed pervasive ethical violations: pressuring vulnerable village girls into the trial, bullying parents, forging consent forms, and refusing medical care to the injured girls. The case is now in the country’s Supreme Court..."

and...

"In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded a phase 3 trial of GSK’s experimental malaria vaccine, killing 151 African infants and causing serious adverse effects including paralysis, seizure, and febrile convulsions to 1,048 of the 5,949 children."

"...during Gates’ 2002 MenAfriVac campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa, Gates’ operatives forcibly vaccinated thousands of African children against meningitis. Approximately 50 of the 500 children vaccinated developed paralysis. South African newspapers complained, “We are guinea pigs for the drug makers.” Nelson Mandela’s former Senior Economist, Professor Patrick Bond, describes Gates’ philanthropic practices as “ruthless and immoral.”

and...

"...Global public health advocates around the world accuse Gates of steering WHO’s agenda away from the projects that are proven to curb infectious diseases: clean water, hygiene, nutrition, and economic development. The Gates Foundation only spends about $650 million of its $5 billion dollar budget on these areas.  They say he has diverted agency resources to serve his personal philosophy that good health only comes in a syringe.

and the WHO...

"...In 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a  “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.  Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines...."

[   "depopulation through vaccination"  ]

https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-agenda-in-india-exposed-by-robert-kennedy-jr/

and today...

italian parlament calls for arrest of Bill Gates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S2wr3bP-XA


By metmike - May 18, 2020, 2:48 p.m.
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Gunter,

I'm not sure how to read Bill Gates.

On one hand, he does some great things to make the world a better place for the poor. There is no denying that or that he's brilliant. 

On the other hand, in my field of expertise, atmospheric science, I listened to one of his talks about the climate crisis and wondered how such a brilliant guy could be saying such really dumb anti science, wrong things.

His political agenda, that's how/why......because he's not dumb.



Want to hear a rich genius talk blatant, anti science ignorance?  Bill Gates gets an F in science. Radical left has taken over teaching at almost every college. More on brainwashing. AOC and her climate religion cult. They use scary words but no data because the data shows them wrong. I show the data. November 2019

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/42610/

By GunterK - May 18, 2020, 3:02 p.m.
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metmike, you wrote

"...I am all for individual liberties  but maybe its my being raised a far left democrat from Detroit  that still has part of their brain believing government is the best path for things like healthcare but on this..."

I fully understand your point.... heck, I have a socialist streak in my brain myself. Some things can indeed be better managed by a centralized government, than a group of private companies.

However, it has to be a government that has the interest of the People in mind. The NWO people are just the opposite. They are aiming at enslaving mankind.... and, just as importantly... killing us ! (as their stone monument outside Atlanta, Georgia, clearly states... "reduce human population to 500 million" )

I would like to repeat one of the paragraphs of my post above...

"...In 2014, Kenya’s Catholic Doctors Association accused the WHO of chemically sterilizing millions of unwilling Kenyan women with a  “tetanus” vaccine campaign. Independent labs found a sterility formula in every vaccine tested. After denying the charges, WHO finally admitted it had been developing the sterility vaccines for over a decade.  Similar accusations came from Tanzania, Nicaragua, Mexico, and the Philippines...."

The WHO admitted that they are actively trying to "depopulate through vaccination".... "millions of unsuspecting woman". They are an evil organization.

Furthermore,  somewhere else I read (no link) that, at the current time, their depopulation projects are mostly aimed at "brown" people, which the above paragraph seems to validate. This point alone raises opens another can of worms and questions


By metmike - May 18, 2020, 6:20 p.m.
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Gunter,

On alot of your stuff, I would think that it just doesn't make sense based on certain reasonable assumptions that include how could a major, global organization get away with such violations right under the noses of those that are supposed to represent the rights of people, in fact the ones that are supposed to be out for the best interest of those people are doing bad things to them.

Doesn't make sense.............but wait, the most powerful piece of evidence that it IS happening, at least in one place that I am an authority on and can verify with 100% certainty is how the United Nations hijacked climate science for their political agenda.

There really, really is no climate crisis. When I say that we are having a climate optimum, it's based entirely on authentic science. As an atmospheric scientist for 38 years who's studied climate science for more than 2 decades, by every legit standard previous to climate science being hijacked, this and the next 100 years will be a climate optimum for life on this greening planet.(using reasonable projections based on what has been happening-not busted models used to promote political agenda).

Even some PhD scientists smarter than me have lost their ability to see objectively and lost touch with the scientific method and believe in the crisis. 

The average non climate science savy Joe(which is almost everybody), is going to go with what he reads, sees and hears from the gatekeepers of the information.........which is screaming the same message "WE ARE HAVING A CLIMATE CRISIS BECAUSE OF TOO MUCH CO2 THAT HAS RESULTED FROM HUMANS".

This includes bogus studies that claim 97% of scientists agree with this and a teenager that is suddenly being worshiped as a climate science activist guru, telling us to believe those scientists.............but don't believe in the tens of thousands of scientists like me, who have been labelled as the evil deniers.........ironically, because we note massive flaws in the climate crisis science. And I have shown them hundreds of times here with the science and data that I live by.

They did this by establishing the IPCC(Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) as the worlds authority on climate. All scientists from all governments are supposed to use the IPCC reports like a Christian does the bible to discern the truths about their faith.

I use that example because the IPCC and climate are treated just like religion by many..........faith in what they state, with very little skepticism.  

This has been the recipe to impose a massive brainwash on people using the hijacking of climate science on a global scale. An unimaginable thing for the majority of people. 25 years ago, I would have laughed at somebody suggesting such a thing. 

You can read my dozens of discussions with all the proof.

The point here, is that if the United Nations can intentionally create and effectively impose the biggest scientific hoax in history like this, convincing billions of people that there really is a climate crisis, when there isn't in order to scare them into doing things that will conform to their political agenda, it's compelling evidence that this technique, when using the right conditions and properly applied using similar strategies from the brainwash play book, are taking place in our world today.

To assume otherwise, if you know the truth about the fake climate crisis, would be pretty naive.

Powerful entities and people, some with altruistic objectives, some not so altruistic will always be trying to control the masses in order to get them to do what they want so it lines up with their belief system of how the world should be.

Many of them believe that overpopulation is a huge problem. Many believe that over consumption of natural resources is a huge problem(they  go hand in hand).

There is a good case to be made about this. However, instead of going thru the ethical/legal, open and truthful path to accomplish changing this, they find ways to accomplish their goals more effectively........like hijacking climate science.

People are much more likely to act if they are scared to death that we are destroying the planet and only have 10 years to act or it will be too late. 

If we are having a climate optimum and its resulting in an overabundance of food and life it doing great on this greening planet, how is that going to get people to cut back? 

Have less children?

This would be the reason to NOT cut back. 

The WHO is part of the United Nations. Their belief system, apparently is similar, though I am not an authority on the WHO. 

What we witnessed with this pandemic clearly tells us that they can't be trusted. 

I  have to add that the United Nations has accomplished many, many positive things to help poor people around the world. The world is a better place because of them with absolute certainty. 

But that doesn't give them the right to perpetrate fraud and do what they are doing because they think global socialism is best and rich nations like the US must stop consuming so much and won't follow their path freely............so they have to trick them with the climate crisis scheme. 

What other schemes do you think are out there to trick people into acting in a manner that follows their belief system?

The irrefutable evidence of the UN doing this is  in several of these discussions:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/27864/

By wglassfo - May 18, 2020, 9:21 p.m.
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HI Mike

You are so correct about people believing the world climate is in  crisis mode

I had a discussion at the local coffee shop where I tried to make the point C02 was not dangerous to life on earth. Even used your example about green houses using C02 to promote faster growth

My answer was the Amazon rain forest was disappearing

 A simple match was responsible for burning the rain forest, not fossil fuel unless you used fossil fuel to make it burn, I suppose

And that was supposed to be the evidence we are destroying the planet with C02

Some how they saw a connection


Frankly Mike:

The science you post repeatedly, goes completely over the head of most people. All they understand is what the TV tells them on climate 

As Trump says: That is sad

By metmike - May 18, 2020, 11:20 p.m.
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"The science you post repeatedly, goes completely over the head of most people. All they understand is what the TV tells them on climate"

Thanks Wayne!

Exactly right and yes, this really is sad. The tv, newspaper and internet sources.