Wearing masks in public
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Started by wglassfo - June 26, 2020, 3:52 p.m.

If Biden is elected president he will mandate everybody wear a mask in public

How well do you think that will go with voters?/

Will be kinda tough on resturants and bars

Tough on mass demonstrators

Hard to get a hair cut, beauty saloon etc

Oh well Biden will make it tough on you no matter what

Does he think higher taxes will be the answer to the deficit

By metmike - June 26, 2020, 7:29 p.m.
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Biden says he would make wearing face masks mandatory for Americans amid coronavirus pandemic


"The one thing we do know is these masks make a gigantic difference. I would insist that everybody out in public be wearing that mask. Anyone to reopen would have to make sure that they walked into a business that had masks," Biden told CNN's affiliate in Pittsburgh, KDKA, while wearing a black mask. 

Pressed if he'd use federal power to mandate wearing a mask in public, Biden responded, "Yes, I would. From an executive standpoint, yes I would."

Asked again if that meant he would "in effect" mandate mask wearing, Biden said, "I would do everything possible to make it required that people had to wear masks in public."

metmike: Trump has not pushed wearing a mask enough and his rally in OK last weekend, with 6,000 people, mostly not wearing masks were examples of him being a horrible example on masks and social distancing.

However, like has often been the case with the Dems/MSM and Trump, they will take the completely opposite position of his so far that, even when Trump is wrong, they end up being wrong too because they got carried away being too extreme in going  for the polar opposite of Trump, to insist in vilifying his position.

One situation has been the law and order which Trump came out for. Since then, one side is bending over backwards to vilify everything associated with law and order............defund cops for instance is so extreme and so counterproductive that it destroys what should be the message "change the cops to make them better so that they can serve us/blacks better"

So it is with this mask position.

There are many states with hardly any COVID and numerous counties in those states that have 0 to single digits cases and 0 deaths.

It would be idiotic to require those counties and states to all wear masks. This is not just a precaution to make sure COVID does not take off in their county, if there is 0 COVID there, it's just idiotic to wear make people wear a mask.

As a producer Wayne, we talked about soybean aphid outbreaks earlier this week.

It's clear that in counties with alot of aphids, farmers that sprayed had higher yields than those that didn't. But it costs money to spray and producers are smart with their money and are not going to blow some of the profits to address a minor problem but will for something more serious.

So producers in counties with 0 aphids would be flushing their hard earned money down the toilet to spray for aphids "just in case".  Wait for a reason(growing aphid population) to justify the expense.

So too with everything else in life, including wearing a mask because of COVID. In counties/states businesses with moderate or more COVID, its a no brainer, masks should be worn in public in all possible situations.

When we get to less than moderate outbreaks, masks should still be worn if numbers "could" quickly become moderate or are within striking distance.

However, in areas with no COVID to just a few cases, it makes no sense. One might make the case that it can't hurt anything because it is a harmless precaution. Studies have shown that when you make laws TOO STRICT based on the circumstances, people are much more likely to ignore/disregard or break laws, which ends up being counterproductive in the long run.  If you have the mask rule for a county with near 0 and people ignore it, then if that county had an outbreak, people ignoring the dumb mask rule before, will likely ignore the smart mask rule later.

Example. If the speed limit on a particular road is 55 mph and the law decides thats a bit too fast and needs to come down because of numerous  major accidents, what should be the new speed limit?

Remember, you want people to follow it and for it to serve the best interest of the public. Safety, while not penalizing people at the same time(who are driving to get somewhere using up a valuable commodity called TIME) 

We know that the lower the speed limit, the less the likelihood for a major accident. How about 15 mph? We can be  certain that stretch of road will never have a major accident again. Hurray, we saved lives.

2 problems with that.  

1. You are stealing valuable time from the lives of people who would actually drive that slow because they want to follow the law or are afraid of a speeding ticket.

2. The majority of people will know it's unfair and will intentionally BREAK THE LAW because its a dumb law and they instead, think using common sense about a safe speed makes more sense to them. When this happens, you will have people more inclined to disregard other speed limits that might seem too low to them. 

So how about 25 mph? No, this would likely still be too low as would be 35 mph(depending on the road)..............but what if it got people to slow down to 45 mph?

Aha! We have the answer!

You may get people to slow down MORE with an outrageously low speed limit, while causing a greater penalty to those that violate it but if you set the speed limit at a level that most will think is reasonable enough to try to comply with the law, you will have the best of all worlds.         People that slow down. People respecting/not breaking the law. People not being overly penalized by the added time used to travel. A safer road.

So you set the speed limit at 45 mph.  Maybe even 50 mph if compliance is going to be more than double and it can be justified.

With masks, its a different realm and metric but we are talking about saving lives too. Making everybody, everywhere wear masks would be like setting speed limits of 25 mph on roads/highways that currently have a 55 mph speed limit because it would maximize saving lives..........but not make common sense based on giving something up for it.

Having people wear masks where there is no COVID is only giving up a very small amount of freedom and comfort up  but they are giving it up for ZERO benefits to the community using realities of actual risk. 

Living in an urban setting,  where COVID is high and masks MUST  be worn,  causes people to not understand the mind set of people in rural settings and vice versa. 

When I went to the protest earlier this month, I wore an N-95 mask to protect ME because I was smashed close to hundreds of other shouting people of unknown health situations. Non N-95 masks are to protect other people from you. I rarely go anywhere, so I know I don't have it. 

When I go to the grocery store or gym, I don't wear a mask either.  We have extremely low cases of COVID here and I am not worried about getting it in that environment and since I don't have it, won't be spreading it to others.

When I go to visit my family/Dad in Detroit in August, I will be wearing my N-95 mask everywhere that I go.....all the time. They live in Wayne country, which back in April had more cases than 41 states(the entire state) just by itself.

This just makes common sense.

By bear - June 26, 2020, 8:36 p.m.
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no,  biden would Not be tough on demonstrators.  

how many areas with democrat leaders put a quick end to demonstrations?  

demonstrations against the police are ok to many of those leaders,  but going to get your hair cut is horrible.  

By cutworm - June 27, 2020, 11:38 a.m.
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Going to church is even worse. Harder to control you if you believe in a higher Deity

By wglassfo - June 27, 2020, 11:49 a.m.
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Biden may have more problems than just masks in Dem controlled areas

But if his platform works for votes , good PR never hurt the search for votes

Once elected then worry about the mask enforcement issue

By TimNew - June 27, 2020, 1 p.m.
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Funny thing about Trump's maskless rally.  Had any infections resulted,  it would have been headline news 25/7.  Haven't heard a peep.