Anybody considering voting for Biden should take a look at California and there alternative wind power electric grid
Rolling black outs as evening approaches and solar doesn't do so well
Also wind power can't keep up
Biden wants all of us to use alternative electric sources
Will we be like California
He's adopted the Bernie Sanders, "Green New Deal" plan that can't work based on the laws of physics, science and energy......and the made up climate crisis(as our greening planet experiences the best weather/climate in the last 1,000 years during this climate optimum)
Sea levels, in 8 or 9 years will be around 1 inch higher...........but this is what Bernie claims:
Bernie Sanders fake climate scare
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Started by metmike - Jan. 20, 2020, 5:12 p.m.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/46122/
Sanders Touts $16 Trillion Climate Plan: Anti Science Bernie = the complete opposite of the truth! August 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/37437/
Bernie is on tv right now at the convention telling us that Trump is rejecting the science. I like Bernie's health care/socialized medicine, uniform coverage plan but on climate, his lies are MUCH bigger than any told by Trump.
He says the future of our planet is at stake because of the climate emergency.
The reality is, if we change nothing between now and 2030(the year of the supposed apocalypse) , the planet will warm up another .1 deg. C ( 1 tenth of 1 deg. C). The oceans will be around 1 inch higher. The planet will be even greener form the increasing beneficial CO2 and crop yields/food production will be even higher.......and authentic science/biology will continue to refer to it as a climate OPTIMUM.
The climate crisis/emergency only exists based on political interpretations.
And based on worst case scenarios of speculative computer model simulations using busted models.
Here's the rock solid proof that the equations they are using in the models are doubling the actual greenhouse affect.
NEW: Smoking Gun! Proof with accurate 2 decade long measurement of the actual amount of radiative forcing caused by CO2 WHY global climate models continue to be too warm. Climate emergency is really about justice and brainwashing people to get it. August 2020 https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/57636/
Renewable vs fossil fuels: Diffuse solar vs dense fossil fuels. Benefits of CO2. September 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39321/
Another secret about fossil fuels: Haber Bosch process-fertilizers feeding the planet using natural gas-doubling food production/crop yields. September 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/39215/
Green New Deal-corn ethanol: Good bye corn ethanol, Hello $2 corn prices again....$5 soybeans/supply gluts/ August 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/38089/
Renewable energy: When can it replace fossil fuels? August 2019
Producers should know that the green new deal means no more corn ethanol added to fossil fuel gasoline.
You don't add ethanol to solar or wind power and there will never be vehicles powered on 100% ethanol.
The price of corn will start with a 2 again, with beans and other crops cheaper too as corn acres plunge and go to other crops
We race stock cars on 100% alcohol
Isn't ethanol alcohol
Wayne,
I'll have more back at my computer explaining why that would never work.
It REPLACES every combustion engine with electric or something carbon neutral(hydrogen might be viable but can't be mixed with ethanol).
The Green New Deal means no more ethanol. Brazil has vehicles that use 100% ethanol but they use combustion engines and those will not be getting manufactured to use ethanol under the green bad deal.
Ethanol is also the most polluting, anti environmental crop of all by a wide margin. As an environmentalist, I campaigned against ethanol for numerous years here. I softened that position a few years ago, based on seeing the benefits to the agricultural economy(that I am very tuned into) justifying the many negatives.
I totally understand why farmers are cheerleaders for ethanol. If that was my business, I could see it no other way.
I've known, maybe 100 producers in my life(enough to have at least a personal relationship with) and of all of them, never heard a peep about any REAL negatives regarding ethanol.
Not that it came up with most of them but when it did, ethanol is seen only 1 way...........how it affects their pocketbooks.
With that being the case and me having numerous good farmer friends reading this right now, who's relationship I don't want to jeopardize, a few years ago, I decided to see things thru their eyes...............the benefits to the agricultural economy and to turn off the environmentalist in me/stop the ethanol bashing metmike that existed previously.
Consistent with that, since we are discussing it and I want to be REAL(not just represent an agenda or 1 side) I will let the comment(s) at this link speak for the legit, anti ethanol position that opposes the pro agricultural economy side and state that I see both sides:
https://www.quora.com/Why-isnt-ethanol-used-more-widely-as-an-automobile-fuel
Why isn't ethanol used more widely as an automobile fuel?
John Flavin, Years of downstream interventionUpdated June 13, 2017 · Upvoted by Omkar Desai, M.S. Energy & Chemical Engineering, Indian Institute of Technology, Guwahati (2020) · Author has 2.5K answers and 9.2M answer views
According to a Cornell University study: It takes more energy to make ethanol from grain than the combustion value ethanol produces. An acre of U.S. corn yields about 7,110 pounds of corn for processing into 328 gallons of ethanol. But planting, growing and harvesting that much corn requires about 140 gallons of fossil fuels and costs $347 per acre to produce.
A government mandate established that every gallon of fuel would contain no less than 10% ethanol. The misguided Energy Policy Act of 2005 included an addendum called the Renewable Fuels Standard (RFS) and includes federal and state subsidies totaling $1 billion per year. This policy bites US citizens multiple times. The first bite is that the scheme requires intervention with tax dollars, next the gasoline tax paid at the pump can be as high as 0.80 cents per gallon, and the blend of gasoline and ethanol makes the final product more expensive. The pain continues. Corn is a major constituent of livestock feed. Since half the corn crop is dedicated to the fuel business, corn prices naturally went up. The increase in grain prices is passed on to the consumer who must pay a higher price for meat, milk and eggs. To add insult to injury, this government Ponzi scheme is bad for the environment.
Multiple studies urging a fundamental review of Renewable Fuels legislation have not moved the Obama administration. The president stands by the plan, highlighting its benefits to the farming industry rather than any negative impact.
I am not bringing this up because of any pro Trump anti Biden political bias.
It's a rock solid fact, like everything else that I try to present honestly and objectively here.
The Bernie Sanders Green New Deal that Biden has adopted WILL make corn ethanol go away.
You will note all the things that it promises to do:
1. Save the planet.
2. Create new jobs
3. Provide clean affordable energy to replace fossil fuels
Are total bs.
1. The planet is greening up and having a climate optiumum and doesn't need saving.
2. More jobs will be lost from the fossil fuel industry than created.
3. Energy prices WILL go higher, especially in the early phases with big carbon taxes imposed, that turn into energy use taxes. Fossil fuels are cheap, reliable, abundant and much more power concentrated than green energy. In many ways, LESS polluting because you dont need millions of acres of wind turbines and solar panels to obtain it.
Another misleading item related to this is going to electric cars. Where do they think the electricity will come from............fairly dust?
It has to be generated at massive power plants..............using, what form of energy?
We can only produce a tiny fraction of our power now using solar and wind for heating/cooling/home electric. We would have to cover a huge portion of the US in solar panels/wind turbines to replace fossil fuels that included generating all the additional demand from all the vehicles in the US.
Their plan CAN'T work. It's just not viable based on physics, chemistry/science, energy, geography(or common sense) and is economically very dishonest.
But here is one promise that they don't give us, which is the only legit one that WILL really happen.
4. Replace corn based ethanol as a fuel. Electric cars don't use combustion engines.........period.
The other thing too is storage of the massive amounts of energy.
The energy produced from solar and wind has to be stored somewhere. Then from that storage place, transferred to another storage place....car battery.
There is also a loss of energy in this process.
With fossil fuels, it’s stored in the fuel. It’s in the coal. It’s in the natural gas or gasoline.
You just burn it.
It’s like having the fuel AND the battery at the same time built in to the same thing.
Mike
You said an acre of corn produces 7110 lbs of corn
That must be some numbers from 1950
Today the natn'l projeced average yield is {I think] 183 bu/acre]
!83 bu X 56 lb/bu is way more than 7110 lbs
Todays efficiency of production has gone way past 7110 lbs of corn/acre with little increase in cost/acre
You say the internal engine will disappear
Not for some time
How do you get a battery to produce 600 H.P for even 12 hrs a day let alone 18 hrs or more day after day
Highway trucks range from 350 H.P to 600 H.P
Farm tractors range from 10 H.P to 600 H.P
How you goona re-charge some commercial mining equipment with 1000 H.P engines in 24 hr work cycles
Brazil does not have the electric grid required nor will they, to re-charge 600 H.P farm equipment electric engines in low population agricultural areas
Biden has nothing to say about Brazil other than we won't grow crops and Brazil will grow more
I don't care what Biden or Sanders wants, it isn't goona happen or the food supply will shrink by magnitudes never even thought about, in the USA
Forget ethanol, just food production will be a problem with electric engines
Somebody who never grew one acre of crops thinks they know what is required [electric engines] has no clue
Goona be junk yards full of scrap internal combustion equipment
Who will/can afford to re-vamp entire lines of new equipment to produce food, with 100 H.P or less
In 1967, when I started farming, we had 100 H.P plus farm equipment engines
What you want and what you get is entirely different in the real world
Bernie will be forced to back track his electric engine policy big time on a lot of applications re: the internal combustion engine vs. electric engines
2.00 dollar corn just means bigger farm subsidy cheques, and paying to not grow crops
You think the banks won't have some thing to say about 2.00 corn
You think Biden will BK every ethanol production facility in the country
What does Biden mean when he says alternative energy??
Just throwing stuff out there and I bet some of it sticks to the wall
Wayne,
"You said an acre of corn produces 7110 lbs of corn"
No, I thought I made it clear that I was copying a post from somebody else that stated that, along with other good/legit points regarding that side of the issue, while the other side is the benefits to the agricultural economy, which is the one that I have been giving the most weight to in recent years(in trying to see things, mostly thru the eyes of farmers).
I can assure you that being the moderator of a trading forum with a bunch of farmer friends has caused a bias here and the environmentalist in me, yells at me for doing this every time.
In this case, I would prefer to not get into a discussion on the merits of ethanol overall outside of the benefits to the agricultural community............because its very one sided against it.
Those are fighting words to a farmer and would involve a totally impossible to resolve difference of opinion.
Instead, it makes more sense to discuss the future of ethanol based on political policies.
Corn ethanol exists entirely based on politics. It's future will be entirely determined by politics.
Since the Green New Deal is a physical impossibility, we know that fossil fuels will continue(with increasing carbon taxes) despite the fairy tale plans to replace fossil fuels.
However, I am just exposing the fraudulence of this marketing scheme that exists to try to generate votes with (false) promises that can't be kept and a downside(including no more ethanol) that is not told.
The Green New Deal to the agricultural community is like...........water was to the Wicked Witch of the West (-:
Or like kryptonite was to Superman (-:
Those are fake characters and so is the Green New Deal but its being sold as something real.
Just like the fake climate crisis................and for the same reason.