Rose Garden Super spreader event
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Started by wglassfo - Oct. 8, 2020, 11:53 a.m.

I am not the 1st to ask this question so I can't take the credit, but I think the question merits some thought

The media is wall to wall about the Rose Garden ceremony as the corona virus spreader event that has caused so many to test positive, after the Rose Garden event

The media further draws our attention to the Dems wearing of masks and Trump and his WH staff not wearing masks. Thus Trump and his staff deserve to be infected, or were extremely careless. Wolf Blitzer even muttered on his TV segment

"what were they thinking"

So let's look a bit further into this Rose Garden drama

1st: It seems only Pubs were infected by a large margin. The media wants us to believe the wearing of masks vs not wearing masks, is why so many of the WH and staff were infected [possibly very true]

2nd: A paper has just been released, signed by 7000 scientist and doctors world wide that claims the wearing of masks does far more harm than good. They list several reasons why harm is done and they make good points of which I won't repeat due to length of a post about wearing masks. I have not read the paper nor can I personally offer an opinion but merely repeat what I have read from other sources

3rd: The important thing to remember, most masks at best are just a low level protection unless you wear the N95 which most people don't and I did not see any at the Rose Garden. [I could be wrong and missed some N95 masks] We know those really thin masks, which are widely available if you forget your personal mask will not stop the virus or we would have stopped this virus long ago, as those wearing masks would not become infected which we know is not true as most masks are not 100% effective. They may help but now 7000 doctors and scientist have signed a paper against wearing a mask and letting herd immunity do the job while protecting those most at risk. We know many infected show little to no visible symptoms, and recover quickly and with no apparent harm. Others have symptoms but also recover as Trump did when he tested positive. [We know he had excellent medical attention but the fact remains, he did recover. Sadly some do not recover but other deaths happen every day which has no connection to the virus, so what is the best option to follow?? And which option does the most harm???

So: Now that some 7000 scientist and doctors have questioned the wearing of masks,[which is a large enough world wide study of masks, now that we have had enough time to  release scientist observation papers for peer review] and of coarse realizing what you and others believe: but a growing body of experts are now questioning the mask thing. Trump has said we can not live in fear of this virus. The paper suggests that those who may be least affected, if infected, should be allowed to live a normal life, go through the infection process if infected and recover quickly, open the economy and lets get back to work, so that we don't fall into a world wide depression. Shut downs and destroying business is not a recipe for economic recovery. Thus the scientist, who wrote the paper realize the economy is very important and a large number of people can get the economy back to some what normal

Is it not suspicious that only Pubs became infected and not Dems. Surely the Dems would not send a super spreader to the Rose Garden and infect Pubs at the WH event, out side where people are relatively safer from the virus

I know tin foil but some are beginning to think about this infection of so many WH staff etc., so close to an election and did the masks protect the Dems 100 % or is there more to this event. Was this the October surprise??? Just some thing some people are starting to think about. What better way to stop Trump and his rallies than have him infected and out of action.

I have no personal opinion and post for discussion only

By metmike - Oct. 8, 2020, 12:12 p.m.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention Wayne!

As Second Wave Arrives Over 7,000 Scientists, Doctors Call For End To Lockdowns

Over 7,000 Scientists, Doctors Call For COVID Herd Immunity, End To Lockdowns

The petition, dubbed the Great Barrington Declaration after the town in Massachusetts where it was written, has been signed by close to 73,000 members of the public at time of writing, as well as over 4,700 medical and public health scientists and around 3,200 medical practitioners.

“Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal,” it notes, adding “Keeping these [lockdown] measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.”“Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health,” the declaration also declares.

It continues, “The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular [heart] disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden.”

“Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice,” the declaration adds.“Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal, it concludes, explaining that “Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold.”“Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home,” it emphasises.

Finally, the declaration demands that normal life should resume, stating that “Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.”The declaration echoes President Trump’s words earlier this week when he returned to the White House and asked Americans not to live in fear or let let the virus dominate their everyday lives:

By metmike - Oct. 8, 2020, 12:19 p.m.
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What has always blown my mind is the need for all these lockdowns and banning all these activities and being fanatical taking every precaution..... but somehow, millions of people standing shoulder to shoulder with no social distancing, some not wearing masks...........somehow are not spreading COVID......because THOSE people are all immune.

Somehow, COVID knows to not attack any people participating in altruistic, politically approved activities.........from one party only.

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By GunterK - Oct. 8, 2020, 2:53 p.m.
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"...Somehow, COVID knows to not attack any people participating in altruistic, politically approved activities.........from one party only.   "

This is called "evolution". Mr. Darwin taught us this principle a long time ago.

 The Covid19 virus has evolved into an intelligent life-form. It can distinguish images and can read simple protest posters.

This is really good news.... we don't need to look for a vaccine. Just carry a picture of George floyd or Breyanna Tayler with you (clearly visible). or carry a sign that says "F... the police".... and you will be safe.

By joj - Oct. 8, 2020, 7:38 p.m.
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The wearing of masks is NOT about protecting yourself (primarily).  It is a common courtesy.  Ya know....  Like covering your mouth when you sneeze.  Trump continues to mock Joe Biden for wearing a mask as he did in the debate.   He would have saved tens of thousands of lives simply by passing out free masks that say "I hate liberals" on them.  The president would be on his way to reelection if he had risen to the occasion.   More than not rising to the occasion, he actually made it worse than if there were no president at all.  We are top 10 in the world in deaths per capita.  Everyone arguing about double standards is doing a disservice to the common good.  I'm not advocating for complete economic shutdown.  Just simple manners.

(Your freedom ends where mine begins... My freedom ends where yours begins)


By mcfarm - Oct. 8, 2020, 9:20 p.m.
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so JOJ, just to be clear. If you happen to out robbing, raping, looting or burning should you wear a mask or not...we sure do not want to upset a lib. And why for God's sake was this not discussed at any of the debates? Could it possibly be moderator bias?

By metmike - Oct. 8, 2020, 10:20 p.m.
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"Everyone arguing about double standards is doing a disservice to the common good."

Thanks joj,

Actually, I've been(and WxFollower) trying to  communicate the objective truth to enlighten people. Educating people is anything but a disservice. 

People that believe a disservice is being done, under these circumstances,  usually just don't like the message when it contradicts their political narrative. In this case, that message has been consistent in pointing out problems from both sides. 

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metmike: "Personally, I think this is a very bad decision by President Trump to have a rally right now.

The facility has a capacity of around 19,000 people and I believe they will be seated closer than 6 feet from each other and probably many not wearing masks and this is indoors and many will be shouting. This is an ideal environment for several infected people to spew massive amounts of virus around them and infect numerous other people. 

Very bad judgement!"

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metmike: "As mentioned numerous times last week, scheduling a rally with that many people smashed together, cheering  and not wearing masks during a pandemic was really dumb and based on very  bad judgement. "

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                Started by GunterK - Aug. 1, 2020, 7:36 p.m.    

metmike:"Some of this is Trumps fault of course.

We've discussed his decision to have the rally in OK countless times, which I refer to as the dumbest decision by any president in history(that I can think of).

And that him finally advocating masks was a couple of months late.

How many of the many, many thousands of people infected at protests did he cause?


Who's fault is that?

Certainly not a guy trying to reign in violence/riots at some protests(that feature mostly peaceful people spreading COVID and some NOT wearing masks)"