One would think a vaccine will be available some time in the future. When is the question
If a vaccine is available to any body who wants one or if mandated, which is another question
Do you think life will resume as before the virus.
My guess is the death toll will be reduced and life as we knew it will resume and we take our chances as we do with the flue
I hope we can get our life back in 2021. My wife and myself have several things we want to do, but the border closed has put a stop to those activities, Will we need proof of a vaccine to cross the border???I really don't want the vaccine until I am positive of the side affects
The COVID vaccine will be safe Wayne.
Everybody should take it ASAP, when its available.
Health care workers and others with highest priority will get it first, maybe more than a month before you can, so you don't have to worry about any bad effects. If there are any(unlikely) we will know before you have a chance to take it.
Knowing the MSM and social media and internet, there will be a few adverse reactions to the COVID vaccine, which is totally expected for it and any vaccinations, that will be used by some to create fear of the vaccine.
This WILL happen!
With Biden being president, the MSM will have a different approach...........not spinning everything negative, so that will be a huge plus in 2021.
I got my first flu vaccine ever on Friday. Only been sick 1 time in the last 15 years and never thought the flu would be a major threat but after seeing the statistics of what the flu and COVID do to older people, its crazy to not get protection that's readily available, free of charge.
Vaccine shots free of charge?
Isn't that socialized medicine?
I thought the free market was the way to go?
metmike:" Vaccine shots free of charge"
joj: "Isn't that socialized medicine?
I thought the free market was the way to go?"
Wow! Shows how much you pay attention to what I say. I have stated that I'm for socialized medicine on the forum a dozen times..............and thats just in the last 2 months!
metmike, Nov. 1, 2020, 12:26 p.m: "Though I think the man is way past his prime and not even capable of doing the job, is corrupt/dishonest and his climate change and energy policies will obliterate our economy(though I am for socialized medicine/healthcare).
Nov. 5, 2020, Gunter: Our metmike has repeatedly expressed his views about having socialized medicine in the US. I agree with him.
Oct. 22, 2020, metmike: I threatened a lawsuit and negotiated not paying the last $3,000 for the 2nd surgery but despite that, I am still for socialized medicine.
Oct. 22, 2020,
What the heck does this guy offer?
Other than the potential for socialized medicine because his puppet masters want that.
Oct. 22, 2020, 12:04 p.m.
On agenda, Trump obliterates him(except that I am for complete socialized medicine/health care).
Oct. 20, 2020, 9:59 p.m.
There are some that don't hate Trump but can't take his personality and clear thinking liberals that want our broken health care system fixed and his plan isn't cutting it(I'm very strongly for socialized medicine).
Oct. 10, 2020, 11:17 a.m.
I am actually for socialized medicine, so don't get me wrong about where I come from in being objective here. I am strongly for an increase in humanitarian assistance.
Sept. 20, 2020, 2:06 p.m.
Pelosi is somebody with zero credibility for me but on this issue and on health care(I'm for socialized medicine) I agree with her.
Aug. 17, 2020, 10:10 p.m.
Bernie is on tv right now at the convention telling us that Trump is rejecting the science. I like Bernie's health care/socialized medicine, uniform coverage plan but on climate, his lies are MUCH bigger than any told by Trump.
Aug. 16, 2020, 11:15 p.m.
The BIden/Harris team have an agenda that sucks big weenies in many areas(energy/economy/climate honesty/illegal immigration/morals- killing life in the womb based on the definition for life in all of science/medicine).
I strongly believe in socialized medicine/health care and am on their side there.
Aug. 15, 2020, 12:36 a.m.
Socialized medicine/health care is the only way for us to clean up the disastrous/collapsing system we have right now.
Aug. 14, 2020, 8:20 p.m.
This is part of the cultural revolution and global/US socialism future that is marching forward.
Nothing that I can do about it but accept it and think of the potential positives, like socialized medicine, which I believe in.
July 26, 2020, 2:16 p.m.
In health care, I believe the system is totally broken and corrupt and only socialized medicine will ever work to serve the needs of the most Americans..
July 17, 2020, 11:22 a.m.
I am strongly in favor of socialized medicine..........which we will eventually have because the current health care system is broken and there is no other way to fix it.
July 8, 2020, 9:49 p.m.
| I am actually in solid agreement with this group on socialized
medicine............and helping the less fortunate in the world.|
"I got my first flu vaccine ever on Friday. Only been sick 1 time in the last 15 years."
Every year, vaccines take virus samples from labs across the world and mix and match them. This year’s vaccine relies on four viruses (they call this a “quadrivalent” vaccine). Those viruses are…
First, let’s break down the terminology: “A” refers to the type of influenza that infects birds, humans, pigs, horses, seals and dogs, H#N# refers to the different proteins found in the outer shell of the virus (hemagglutinin and neuraminidase); “pdm” is short for “pandemic” (remember, these are grown to mimic once-live viruses that did some harm); and “09” is the year of said pandemic (the 2009 virus accounted for some 203,000 deaths with a higher-than-normal population of children dying).
The CDC reports that this year’s A(H1N1)pdm09 component changed from A/Brisbane/02/2018 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus to A/Guangdong-Maonan/SWL1536/2019 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus. That means a flu strain akin to the one seen in the 2009 pandemic that was created last year in a lab in the Maonan district of Guangdong is replacing the strain created in 2018 in Brisbane.
The second component is a variant of the 2009 H1N1 swine flu. H3N2 was first found in pigs in 2010, then in humans in 2011, and the biggest human outbreak was in 2012 with some 309 reported cases. Going to a pig farm anytime soon? This one’s for you.
The CDC reports this year’s H3N2 vaccine component was updated from an A/Kansas/14/2017 (H3N2)-like virus to an A/Hong Kong/2671/2019 (H3N2)-like virus.
Influenza B (x 2)
Influenza B viruses tend to be the non-pandemic variety because they spread primarily among humans alone. They’re slower to mutate than Influenza A, but still just as infectious among humans (and, apparently last season, harbor seals).
The CDC reports that the B/Yamagata virus component from the 2019-2020 flu vaccine remains the same for the 2020-2021 flu vaccine. This year’s B/Victoria vaccine component was updated from a B/Colorado/06/2017 (B/Victoria lineage)-like virus to a B/Washington/02/2019 (B/Victoria lineage)-like virus.
There are two new flu shots available this year, and they are both designed for adults aged 65 and above. Older people generally have weaker immune responses to vaccines, so these special formulations help them get as much protection from the flu as possible. This is especially important in 2020 because older people face a heavy double burden from the flu and COVID-19.
Fluzone High-Dose Quadrivalent: This high-dose vaccine protects against four strains of the flu, replacing last year’s version which only protected against three. It is four times stronger than a normal vaccine to give older adults extra protection.
Fluad Quadrivalent: This new vaccine contains an extra ingredient called an adjuvant that promotes a stronger immune response to the flu vaccine. The ingredient, called adjuvant MF59, is a natural compound that can be made from vegetable oils or, more commonly, shark liver oil. An older version of this drug called Fluad protects against three flu strains, but this new drug vaccinates against four.
Long time no read hayman!
Thanks for the positive contribution.
I know your views on socialized healthcare. My comment was directed at the near 100% uniform opinion to the contrary here at MF.
Nov. 5, 2020, Gunter: Our metmike has repeatedly expressed his views about having socializedmedicine in the US. I agree with him.
By wglassfo - July 13, 2020, 7 p.m.
" You may or may not know I am a Canadian"
So: As far as I am concerned Canada has a much better health care system than any, that you folks propose
You see it works like this
Our medical system is paid for by taxes
If I have a doctor, my doctor decides how often and what medicine I need. Nobody that I know complains about their doctor. The doctor, hospital etc gets paid by our gov't for service rendered. We have modern hospitals, maybe not superior to you but sufficient for our needs. I almost was referred to the Mayo, almost all expense paid, but choose to not go, as I did not think it would be a good use of money for a situation that was incurable. That was my personal decision. You see I suffer, among other things from cluster head aches and all my research told me there was no cure.
I don't have to worry about a hospital bill BK me or the family
Elective surgery is more complicated. If elective surgery, lets say cancer treatment, you go to the top of the list and treatment starts according to what stage you are. Some start immediately.. Hip or knee replacement has a waiting period. I could get a new knee if I want. I told my doctor to not waste space on me as I would not do the exercises properly and it would be a waste of time and money. My doctor told me if mobility becomes an issue she will get my knee fixed. Now if you want your boobs bigger or smaller then the wait time is longer, but you will get your turn for new boobs
Some people go to foreign countries. These people don't want to wait their turn and will pay for immediate surgery. That is fine with me. If my life is in danger, I get immediate attention, as my uncle did when he suffered a massive heart attack
We do have to join a medical plan for medicine or pay out of pocket. My wife was covered for medical expense, at her place of employment. My son has a private plan. Our co-payment might be 10 % of the bill. Now that I am over 65 I pay some thing, [[It is always different medicine and different cost so I can't say exactly] Usually less than 10.00/week out of pocket and I take a ton of pills every day. I won't bore you with all my medical history, but one yr I racked up 40,000.00 in medicine and we paid 10% out of pocket.. When out of country that can be problematic as your medical history decides what your cost is for out of country medical coverage. Last time we were gone for 4 weeks holiday and it cost for two of us almost 1000.00. When I was trucking and needed all yr coverage Lloyds of London covered me for less than 1000.00 but I was a lot younger then. We still like Lloyds of London.
My wife has had emergency surgery, no wait just get it done, my son had emergency surgery, same thing get it done and no cost except gas to drive to the hospital for my son and a free ambulance ride with lights and siren for my wife. She had a blood clot, my son almost lost his eye sight in one eye. I have had two miny strokes which gets immediate attention although my wife drives me as it is quicker than waiting for an ambulance out in the boonies
I argued our system until I was blue in the face some yrs ago when Trump was 1st elected and before when Bernie had his idea for your country
I am not saying we are perfect but your system and any proposed system would scare me to death"