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Started by joj - Jan. 6, 2021, 7:08 p.m.

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide victory is so unceremoniously and viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long.  Go home with love & in peace.  Remember this day forever!"  

That last exhortation was celebrating the violent protest that happened.  I hope and believe that his star will fall presently and similarly to another bully who briefly grabbed some power.  Joe McCarthy.  

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By metmike - Jan. 6, 2021, 8:55 p.m.
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"That last exhortation was celebrating the violent protest that happened."


You, me and Larry have been exactly on the same page with regards to this for 2 months, with Tim seeing the light too.

But even though his despicable words and lies are  entirely responsible for almost all of this and he deserves nothing but the Hall of Shame when it comes to what we should remember most about his legacy and there is no defense in anything that he has done related to this, its not factual/accurate to suggest he was celebrating or encouraging VIOLENT protesting when he did just the opposite. He may have explained WHY it happened with more bs from the Trump Twilight Zone but at least his words were consistently pleading for it to NOT go this way(violence). 

President Trump tells supporters to 'go home' after violent clashes at Capitol

In a video message shared on Twitter, President Trump told his supporters to go home and that there needs to be "peace" after they stormed the U.S. Capitol.

"The president then pivots to telling his supporters that "we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."             


"There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us -- from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of the se people. We have to have peace. So, go home. We love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace," Trump said. 

Trump previously tweeted to his supporters to “stay peaceful” after they stormed the Capitol.         “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement,” Trump tweeted Wednesday afternoon, after tear gas was deployed in the locked-down Capitol. “They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”                               

By joj - Jan. 6, 2021, 10:09 p.m.
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"Remember this day forever."

Please explain these words to me.

By metmike - Jan. 6, 2021, 11:19 p.m.
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Thanks joj,

I'm not going to get into a debate with you over 4 words on something that  we have had 99% strong agreement on....but I will treat you to another epistle/disertation (-:

Let's try to emphasize the unity of our thoughts here. 

My point is that Trump called for peaceful demonstrating and not violence and he was celebrating the demonstration not the violence if you look at everything that he's been saying.

Regardless, he absolutely CAUSED the violence and is 100% responsible for it because he instigated the protesting and outrage. 

When YOU are the most powerful person in America, and YOU cause people to be extremely outraged, then YOU push them to protest over the cause, it's the recipe for the crazies to come unglued, even if 99.99% of them are law abiding citizens. 

.01%(1/10,000)  is a tiny fraction....... but when you multiply a tiny fraction, by a large enough number, its turns into a significant number.

.01% crazies X 10 million people that are outraged over the results of the election for instance is 1,000 crazies.

 1,000 crazies outraged over the election results is a large enough number to be a major threat. Enough of them were in Washington to turn a peaceful rally into a violent protest.

However, the other 99.99% of good people have absolutely been brainwashed with complete hogwash about the election. 

These numbers, BTW are just hypothetical not based on measured statistics but to make the point. 

Trump is the main source for this nonsense but the republicans, FOX news  and other right wing sources of information also deserve much of the blame for enabling Trump and even pushing it harder for their political agenda.........which is to sow distrust in the results of the 2020 presidential election because their person lost. 

We hear that they only want to restore peoples  confidence by insuring the integrity of the vote counting process.

Wow, this is the complete opposite of what they have really  been doing. There was more scrutiny and more investigations in the results than for any election in history. Many of the allegations were frivolous to manufactured in order to give the appearance of fraud.  Countless investigations. Not one of them was able to prove significant fraud or hold up legally. 

In the just/honest world, this would constitute profound evidence that our voting system worked pretty dang good,. including the voting machines.

But not when one side repeats the complete opposite of what the evidence showed nonstop for 60 days, including the king of the fake news, president Trump. 

The way it was pulled off, was based on all the right wing sources of information,  colluding together to trick people on the right into thinking there was widespread fraud that stole the election from Trump.

The right wing media and internet sources were all in on it, including several on FOX news. Many of the elected Republics in congress were in on it. If you are a republican, you get most of your news from these sources. Those are the ones that you trust.

If almost all of them are saying the same things, over and over and over.........that the election was stolen using fraud and the fraud is being covered up..............this is what you believe.

I watched FOX tonight for around an hour. I must have heard that false narrative/fake news repeated 2 dozens times and by every guest and hosts.

"We must change the election process so that people can be confident in it"

WRONG. The vote counting was very accurate and legal......just not perfect but very dependable.  What we really need to do is for these messengers of deceit and political agenda to tell the truth and stop selling election fraud snake oil.

But this is the world that we live in and how powerful gatekeepers, effectively brainwash people for their self serving interests. 

One side brainwashes their people with their belief system/political agenda.

The other side brainwashes their people with the opposite ideas.

And each side can easily recognize the brainwash in the other side............while believing what they belief in, always represents the truth.

So we have 2 sides with completely opposite views and both having absolute confidence that they are 100% right and the other side is 100% wrong on almost every issue.

By joj - Jan. 7, 2021, 6:55 a.m.
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Sidebar:  A girl I dated in my youth used to say I always disagreed with her.  I replied that it only seems that way because disagreements require points and counterpoints but agreements are usually a one word statement that ends the conversation with brevity. 

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:32 p.m.
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Thanks joj!

"agreements are usually a one word statement that ends the conversation with brevity."

Usually being the operative word (-:

By metmike - Jan. 8, 2021, 12:15 a.m.
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Trump says he’ll leave peacefully, condemns Capitol violence in 2-minute video

WASHINGTON — With 13 days left in his term, President Donald Trump finally bent to reality on Thursday amid growing talk of trying to force him out early, acknowledging he’ll peacefully leave after Congress affirmed his defeat.

Trump led off a video from the White House by condemning the violence carried out in his name a day earlier at the Capitol. Then, for the first time, he admitted that his presidency would soon end — though he declined to mention President-elect Joe Biden by name or explicitly state that he had lost.

“A new administration will be inaugurated on Jan. 20,” Trump said in the video. “My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.”

He also spoke out against Wednesday’s violence, calling it a “heinous attack” that left him “outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem.”

The video address, which appeared designed to stave off talk of a forced early eviction, came at the end of a day when the cornered president stayed out of sight in the White House. Silenced on some of his favorite internet lines of communication, he watched the resignations of several top aides, including a Cabinet secretary.

Trump did not address his role in inciting the violence. He also said he deployed the National Guard immediately, but multiple news reports said that he initially resisted. Vice President Mike Pence was in contact with the Pentagon and encouraged a faster deployment, the reports said.

A growing number of members of Congress are seeking Trump’s impeachment or calling upon Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment that would allow him to take over if a majority of the Cabinet voted in favor, including some Texas Democrats. Their efforts are being backed up by the top two Democrats in Congress, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

metmike: What would be accomplished by removing him from office with just days left in this term? It would just flare up the emotions of those already upset and misled about the election and give them more reason to think that their voice is not being heard. The people already spoke in the election. Trump is completely neutered  and disgraced, is kicked off of Facebook and and will be kicked off of Twitter if he posts anything out of line.