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Started by wglassfo - Jan. 7, 2021, 10:37 a.m.

SO your capital, the seat of power for some 350 million people is so weakly defended that people can breach the defenses and actually enter the floor of debate or what ever. The beating heart of your country with missile protection

Well let me tell you of some disturbing news that the MSM won't cover. Because it was all Trumps fault

Video has exposed police opening barricades to let people into the grounds. Then a guard leads protesters up the stairs and out side the chambers. How else do you suppose people could find their way

Then to top  it off Antifa members were photographed at the WH protest the same who raised heck all summer and even attended climate protest. He was identified by his tattoo

Buses were escorted into D.C

Who gets an escort to a protest??

Trump had to go and this effectively ended his career

Doesn't this seem a bit strange

The USA is being torn apart from within

Even the dollar is under attack as some expect a 50% devaluation in the coming yrs

Call this tin foil but you have to admit, it does look as if the USA is under attack

I read of a group of citizen militia folks who turned 500 odd gal of diesel fuel into Naphalm  [sp]

Rocket launched RPG

Chinese Ak 47 sold at 400 each right out of the crate

Most of these are old vietnam vets training the younger guys. 2-3-400 odd people gathered together. The number varies with who is telling the story and one would think there is more than one militia, thus different numbers

Some say the military could step on any militia like a bug

True but would the military turn on it's own citizens, as in Tiameniam square??

Did you notice how few were arrested at the capital yesterday

Even the woman who was shot. That was not safe protocol, as military people were behind and in the line of fire. A rogue cop did that one. That woman could have been taken down with no shots fired. She was no danger to anybody

The air has stunk from summer until yesterday and it still does not pass the smell test

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By mcfarm - Jan. 7, 2021, 10:50 a.m.
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usually our capitol is heavily defended.......and you trust that wacked out mayor of DC? even though lots of weird things going on if any conservative helped they need to see jail....the blm and antifa people have been doing this and much worse for nearly a year and will never be prosecuted.

Trump lost his facebook and twitter account today.....strange how they want to lead with peace and debate and what happens...close them down, cut off debate, free speech out the window...and for all the libs laughing you won't be when they come for you next. And boom just lime Stalin erase history, take down photos and statues and just keep going down that road and see where it ends.

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By GunterK - Jan. 7, 2021, 11:02 a.m.
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By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:07 p.m.
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Those people just walking in makes no sense at all.

They authorities and security had been alerted for a very long time and this is a key government location that normally would have alot of security but in this case, they should have been ultra prepared and easily stopped all these people under every  reasonable scenario that we can conceive of based on the realities of this location....................other than the one that allows them in intentionally.

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:11 p.m.
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A man later identified as Jake Angeli, 32, inside the Capitol
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In February 2020, he worked the crowd outside a rally in Phoenix for President Trump, holding up a sign that read, “Q sent me,” the news outlet reported.


“The snowball has been rolling and it’s only getting bigger,” Angeli said at the time. “We’re the mainstream now.”


Angeli told a reporter from the Globe and Mail of Toronto that police had stopped trying to block him and other Trump supporters and let them into the Capitol, according to the Arizona Republic.


He said police politely asked him to leave, according to the Canadian journalist.

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:15 p.m.
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Washington Times retracts article claiming facial recognition company identified some Capitol rioters as antifa


        Washington Times retracts article claiming facial recognition company identified some Capitol rioters as antifa© Greg Nash    

The Washington Times appeared to retract an article claiming that a facial recognition company identified members of the left-wing antifa movement that the paper said infiltrated a group of President Trump's supporters that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

The company, XRVision, demanded the article be taken down and alleged that it was completely false, according to an email statement sent to The Hill. The article appeared to be taken down Thursday afternoon.

"XRVision takes pride in its technology's precision and deems the Washington Times publication as outright false, misleading, and defamatory," the statement read.

"Our attorney is in contact with the Washington Times and has instructed them to ‘Cease and Desist’ from any claims regarding sourcing of XRVision analytics, to retract the current claims, and publish and apology."

The retraction comes as several conservative lawmakers and media figures blamed antifa, an umbrella term for loosely organized anti-fascist groups, for the riot that breached both the House and Senate chambers.

Footage and photos captured around the Capitol building on Wednesday showed a pro-Trump crowd breaking past Capitol Police and smashing windows to enter the premises.

The Washington Times didn’t immediately respond to comment from The Hill.

The article, which was published Wednesday, alleged that XRVision performed a facial recognition of protesters and matched “two Philadelphia Antifa members to two men inside the Senate.”

One man allegedly had a tattoo indicating he is a “Stalinist sympathizer,” the article claimed. The article also said another man identified “shows up at climate and Black Lives Matter protests in the West” but said that he had no known links to antifa.

The article went viral as the riot progressed. When the House reconvened after the siege, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), a staunch supporter of Trump, gave a fiery floor speech in which specifically cited the Times's article.

Prior to the article being taken down, XRVision told The Hill in a statement that the analysis actually identified two members of neo-Nazi organizations and an actor with “QAnon promotion history.” No identification associated with antifa was made with any of them.

When asked if the company was aware that the article was taken down, the attorney said it was unaware, but “unfortunately, the damage has already been done.”

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:19 p.m.
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I have no idea how many antifa people and other anti Trumpers were there and how involved they were in the violence.

On this, I don't think its a right wing conspiracy theory, it would be naive to think that they weren't there stirring up trouble but its impossible to know the extent. 

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:44 p.m.
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Schumer calls for 25th Amendment to be invoked after Capitol riots


“What happened at the U.S. Capitol yesterday was an insurrection against the United States, incited by the president. This president should not hold office one day longer," Schumer said in a statement. 

“The quickest and most effective way — it can be done today — to remove this president from office would be for the Vice President to immediately invoke the 25th amendment. If the Vice President and the Cabinet refuse to stand up, Congress should reconvene to impeach the president," he added. 

Talk of invoking the 25th Amendment has spiked since Wednesday, when rioters overran the Capitol, breaching both the House and Senate chambers and suspending the counting of President-elect Joe Biden's Electoral College win for hours. Congress reconvened on Wednesday night and formally finished tallying the win early Thursday morning. 

Schumer is the highest-ranking Democrat to throw his support behind removing Trump from office with roughly two weeks left in his administration. Democratic lawmakers, outside groups and even GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) have thrown their support behind the idea. 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who is holding a press conference on Thursday afternoon, has not weighed in on removing Trump through the 25th Amendment in the wake of Wednesday's violence. 

Pelosi previously backed legislation last year that would create a panel to gauge a president's capacity to perform the job — and potentially remove the commander in chief from office. 

Several House Democrats have backed either invoking the 25th Amendment or impeaching Trump in the wake of Wednesday's riots. 

Top members of Schumer's leadership team have also backed removing Trump, while acknowledging that Senate Republicans might not support impeachment with less than two weeks to go. 

"The most immediate way to ensure the President is prevented from causing further harm in coming days is to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove him from office. As history watches, I urge Vice President Pence and the President’s cabinet to put country before party and act," Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the No. 3 Senate Democrat, said in a statement early Thursday morning. 

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Schumer's No. 2, told reporters on Thursday that he thought Trump's actions warranted impeachment. 


"He certainly deserves it…after what happened yesterday he should be removed from office but I don’t believe there’s a stomach for it on the Republican side and there’s very little time left," Durbin said. 

A source confirmed to The Hill on Wednesday night that administration officials have started discussing the possibility of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office, an extraordinary step that would require a majority of Cabinet officials plus Vice President Pence to declare to Congress that Trump is unable to fulfill his duties as president.  "

metmike: We can quickly decide whether this is a good idea or not by asking questions.

1. Would this help heal the divide that exists right now between the 2 parties or make it worse?

2. Would this reassure people who are worried about the election results or make them more concerned?

3. Would doing this cause Trump supporters to calm down or would it add fuel to the fire and really enrage them?

4. Would not doing this result in more violent protests that we must avoid or would doing this increase the chances of more violent protesting.

5. Is Trump going to be president for another year or will he be replaced in  less than 2 weeks, legally based on Americans voting. 

6. Should we let the election results of the people determine when Trump goes, or should we let his enemies decide.

This is no defense of Trumps despicable behavior, just some obviously questions/answers that tell us whether Trump should be removed from office days before his term runs out.

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:47 p.m.
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Facebook blocks Trump 'at least until transition complete'


Donald Trump has been suspended from his Facebook account for at least two weeks - and possibly indefinitely.

It means the president will be unable to post on Facebook and Instagram until after the transition of power to Joe Biden on 20 January. 

The social network had originally imposed a 24-hour ban after his supporters attacked the US Capitol.

Facebook's chief Mark Zuckerberg wrote that the risks of allowing Mr Trump to post "are simply too great".

In a video posted to Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, Mr Trump told the rioters attacking the seat of government "I love you" before telling them to go home. He also repeated false claims about election fraud. 

The largest social networks each took action against the president's accounts in the wake of the violence.

Mr Zuckerberg said Facebook had removed the president's posts "because we judged that their effect - and likely their intent - would be to provoke further violence".

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He said it was clear Mr Trump intended to undermine the transfer of power to President-elect Joe Biden.

"Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete," he wrote.

Twitter ban

Mr Trump's favoured platform, Twitter, had also suspended the president for 12 hours.

It said it required the removal of three tweets for "severe violations of our Civic Integrity policy".

The company said the president's account would remain locked for good if the tweets were not removed. 

It went on to say that "Future violations of the Twitter Rules... will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account".

Trump noticesimage copyrightTwitter

The 12-hour timer on Mr Trump's account has expired, but he has not yet tweeted again.

But his account now states that three of his tweets are "no longer available because [they] violated" its rules.

The platform only uses this specific notice in cases when account holders have deleted the post themselves.

This indicates that Mr Trump or one of his associates has taken the action demanded to get the account restored.

When asked whether it had extended its original 12-hour block, a spokeswoman for Twitter said: "We're continuing to evaluate the situation in real-time, including examining activity on the ground and statements made off Twitter. We will keep the public informed, including if further escalation in our enforcement approach is necessary."

'I totally disagree'

Dan Scavino, White House director of social media, has used his own account to publish a statement on the President's behalf.

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th," it quoted Mr Trump as saying.

"I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it's only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"

Snapchat also stopped Mr Trump from creating new posts, but did not say if or when it would end the ban. YouTube also removed the video. 

His supporters stormed the seat of US governmentand clashed with police, leading to the death of one woman.

The violence brought to a halt congressional debate over Democrat Joe Biden's election win.

In the House and Senate chambers, Republicans were challenging the certification of November's election results.

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 3:50 p.m.
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Trump promises 'orderly transition' after Congress confirms Biden's presidency


Trump said in a statement that there "will be an orderly transition on January 20th.”


WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump for the first time acknowledged his defeat in the Nov. 3 election and announced there would be an “orderly transition on January 20th” after Congress concluded the electoral vote count early Thursday certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.


Trump's acknowledgment came after a day of chaos and destruction on Capitol Hill when his supporters stormed the Capitol, forced members into hiding and halted the formal congressional tally for more than six hours.




“Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th,” Trump said in a statement posted to Twitter by his social media director. Trump's personal Twitter account had been locked by the social media company for posting messages that appeared to justify the assault on the seat of the nation’s democracy.


RELATED: Congress confirms Joe Biden wins presidency


RELATED: World leaders appalled by US Capitol rioting, urge peaceful transfer to Biden


Trump added, “While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!” 



Trump on Wednesday had encouraged his supporters to march on the Capitol to protest lawmakers’ actions and later appeared to excuse the violent occupation of the Capitol by the mob, which forced its way inside, clashed with police and ransacked offices.


Authorities said four people died during the violence. One woman was shot by an officer outside the House chamber, and three others died in “medical emergencies” during the occupation of the building, Washington, D.C., police said.


“These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,” Trump wrote in a message that was later deleted by Twitter. He added, “Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”




RELATED: Twitter locks President Trump's account for 1st time, threatens permanent suspension

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 4:37 p.m.
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By GunterK - Jan. 7, 2021, 6:58 p.m.
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wow.... they sure didn't waste much time getting a bunch of people on the wanted list.... all "deplorables"

I am sure, they will find them all, considering the sharp details of the pictures.  And, bad for them, they won't have a Kamala Harris-type getting them out of jail quickly.

Studying these pictures, I noticed they got one of the Antifa guys among them. He was with the "mob' that "forced" their entry into the building. He has a hammer and sickle tatoo on his hand. Trump supporter? Sure!

and on another site I saw the picture of a founder of a BLM group, also present among the "Trump mob" 


By mcfarm - Jan. 7, 2021, 7:04 p.m.
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right Gunter, you think all media does not follow each other....headline this morning in our so called rural fly over paper./..........Angry Pro Trump Mob attacks Capitol....I will wage those words were used 100,000 times today....just keep saying til its true

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 8:19 p.m.
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This is very disturbing that a BLM group leader who has convictions for violence against citizens was there with the Trump supporters recording the shooting. 

Surely he didn't go there to make friends or to try to convince Trump supporters in his cultural revolution ideology. 

Never miss an opportunity to bring race into it............even when no black people are being harmed. Regardless, law enforcement had a massive failure yesterday and there is no excuse for this.

'Double standard': Biden, Black lawmakers and activists decry police response to attack on US Capitol


"When Black folks are protesting and progressives are protesting peacefully they were tear-gassed, they were arrested, they were shot with rubber bullets. They were shot with real bullets,"Derrick Johnson, president of the national NAACP, said in a telephone interview. "We watched it take place all summer long when people were peacefully demonstrating."

metmike: Since the protester killed yesterday was white, her death didn't count.

But what the heck is going on.......using this particular riot to crank up the race card?

This person must have a bad memory about all those Summer long peaceful demonstrations(like the so called Summer of Love in Portland that resulted in several deaths), where all those really nice BLM gentleman and ladies were doing a heck of a lot more than peacefully demonstrating:


2020 United States racial unrest

Clockwise from top:
DateMay 8, 2020 – ongoing
(7 months and 4 days)
Location United States
Caused bySeveral deaths related to police activity, notably the killing of George Floyd while ...
Parties to the civil conflict
United States Executive branch of federal government 
Local law enforcement

Death(s)at least 25[6]
Injuries400+ law enforcement officials and an unknown number of civilians[7]
ArrestedOver 14,000 (as of June 27, 2020)[5]
Damage$1–2 billion insured damages (as of September 17, 2020)[8]
By joj - Jan. 7, 2021, 8:34 p.m.
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Can we draw a distinction between breaking into a Target vs breaking into THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE!!!!!  What if some nut had gotten inside with an AK47 and taken out a couple dozen representatives?

If all those breaking in yesterday were blacks (or Muslims) they would have been shot.  There would be more than 1 dead, that's for sure.

As for removing Trump with 25th amendment, I don't think it is necessary.  My guess is that he will slink away now like a skunk who has shot his wad.

But I understand people raising the issue.  'Will he do something' crazy is a reasonable question to ask based on his acting pretty darn crazy since the election.  

The one thing I like about Trump is that he hasn't gotten us into foreign wars.   I suspect that is because he is a coward at heart.  All bullies are.  So I don't think he bombs Iran or something of that nature.

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 8:58 p.m.
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Thanks joj,

Glad we agree on not removing him from office. The main thing that would accomplish is probably giving his enemies the satisfaction of doing it instead of the people of this country doing it in the election.

He's already totally neutered in all ways that matter. Kicked off of Facebook and suspended from Twitter. 

"Can we draw a distinction between breaking into a Target vs breaking into THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE!!!!!  What if some nut had gotten inside with an AK47 and taken out a couple dozen representatives?"

Yeah, rioters have their standards you know. They only break into places listed in the  "rioters handbook" (-:

Along those lines, glad you brought that up. Note the damage that CNN reported from the rioters this morning in the images below(this is not be selecting or cherry picking its from CNN)

Here is what the damage inside the Capitol looks like this morning

From CNN's Manu Raju


This is some of the damage and debris still seen throughout the US Capitol building today after a violent mob stormed the building Wednesday afternoon. 

The rioters were clearly not  intending to do much damage..or they would have done damage.  And as far as "what if" somebody got in there with an AK47, tells us that actually that did not happen.........they got in............and nobody had such a weapon or intended on hurting anyone, which was not the case with the Summer  riots that killed dozens of cops, hurt many hundreds of others and destroyed billions in property. ..............very intentionally......that was the objective.

The riots yesterday were very wrong but there is no indication that they wanted to destroy things, steal things, hurt other people. 

By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 9:17 p.m.
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I feel uncomfortable sounding like I'm defending these criminals that broke the law and need to be prosecuted but the other side needs to get a grip on reality here.

Describing the violent rioters this Summer that injured hundreds and killed many dozens of cops, burned down and vandalized property, broke into businesses and stole items. Destroying businesses of thousands of innocent people..............as if  they were  little angels and  victims/targets of the cops just because they were black or progressives.

And the people yesterday, were the actual dangerous criminals, with evil intent to destroy and kill but somehow, they did none of that.

Just making an observation comparing the 2 different groups rioting..........both should be prosecuted.

But please spare me Biden, MSM and liberals on the fake narratives today portraying the Summer demonstrations as all nicey and innocent and yesterday as one of the worst attacks on America in history. 

It was the worst attack of its kind in history for sure but there were no non Trump supporters(or law enforcement) hurt or killed.  No fires. Very minor vandalism/damage. No theft.

The cops should have never let them get it. People should be fired for allowing it. 

My guess, is that they were just  street smart cops and did not perceive the mob yesterday as a threat(like is usually the case with mobs from the right)............and they were VERY wrong. How they let those people get in, regardless of the reason is blatant negligence of the worst kind.....because you are right joj, an armed, enraged nutjob could have killed people inside. 

One only has to see the many, many hundreds of incidents across the country during the Summer riots to know what to expect from mobs on the left. 

So it is true that cops probably treat them differently....because they act differently NOT because they are black or because they are progressive or they are white or conservative.

The results of the last 10 years of protesting/demonstrations speak for themselves.

As far as rioting..........until yesterday, the left has almost totally owned the franchise on this. People on the right rarely riot. 

Yes, we can blame Trump entirely for this one.

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By metmike - Jan. 7, 2021, 9:44 p.m.
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Funny thing about a quote of his that you gave us yesterday joj. 

"Remember this day forever"

Of all the 1,460 days that Donald Trump spent in office as president...................guess which one he will be remembered most by?

Yep, it was the day that caused even some of his most ardent supporters to abandon ship. 

It solidified his top spot in the political "Hall of Shame".

By metmike - Jan. 8, 2021, 12:30 a.m.
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I stand corrected about the earlier statement that no cops were injured or killed during Wednesday's riots:

Capitol Police officer dies after being hit in head by fire extinguisher during DC riots


A US Capitol Police officer has died from injuries suffered while being struck in the head with a fire extinguisher during Wednesday’s riots, a report said.

 Brian D. Sicknick collapsed when he returned to his division office on Wednesday and was taken to the hospital, where he died on Thursday, according to a Capitol Hill police spokesperson. 

 Four other people were fatally injured in the mayhem in Washington, D.C., where masses of Trump supporters easily overtook police to gain entry into the Capitol building. 

A source told NewsNation Now that a rioter had assaulted the officer with the fire extinguisher.

 Responding to the officer’s injury, Minnesota Rep. Dean Phillips wrote on Twitter, “My heart goes out to the family of the officer and to all who risk their lives every day to protect and serve our communities with dignity and principle.”

 Over 50 officers with Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police Department were injured Wednesday, authorities said.

 The chaos inside the halls of the historic legislative building led to the death of Ashli Babbitt, an Air Force vet who was fatally shot by Capitol Police.

 Three other people died of medical injuries during Wednesday’s unrest.

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They were identified Thursday by police and media reports as Kevin Greeson, 55, of Alabama, 50-year-old Benjamin Phillips of Pennsylvania, and 34-year-old Georgia resident Rosanne Boyland.

 News of the officer’s death came as chief of the Capitol Police, Steven Sund, announced his resignation.  

Sund will step down on Jan. 16, according to a report by NBC News

 Capitol police came under fire after they appeared unprepared by Wednesday’s unruly mob.  

Footage from the scene shows police standing back and allowing demonstrators to march through metal barricades and toward the Capitol.

metmike: It's mind boggling that this was allowed to happen. So sad to have 2 fatalities as a result and of course President Trump instigated this event.