Gunter,
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I had heard lots of stories but not paid that much attention but your post compelled me to do that.
Let's give it a very serious and intriguing discussion.
For sure there is something to this based on the very credible sources who have observed and recorded these UFO's.
What that something is, nobody knows.
Is it a freak weather phenomena that we don't understand? That seems extremely unlikely based on what they actually detected and observed. Nothing I understand as an atmospheric scientist can come close to explaining this but it can't be ruled out because....basically nothing can be ruled out when you have no explanation and there are some weird things in nature, like ball lighting that I would never think could exist and have been reported very few times and almost never recorded but its very real.
Is it something from China/Russia using a technology that we don't understand to observe us?
This seems very unlikely but still seems more likely than the other possibilities. If this is the case, then they have a technology much more advanced than we understand and its a national security risk to our country.
Is it from aliens of another world?
If this is the case, then the vehicles are awful tiny to accommodate much inside of them.
The nearest potential place that could sustain life is 4.2 light years away from our planet.
https://www.space.com/proxima-b-alien-planet-earth-sized-espresso.html
The radiation on this planet from its sun has been thought to be too high for intelligent life to form but not completely impossible.
The speed of light is 186,000 miles/second. This would allow a person/being/thing traveling at that speed to circle the earth around 7 times at the equator in just 1 second.
To travel from this planet to earth at the speed of light, would take 4.2 years. If this object came from 4.2 light years away and is so small, what energy source allowed it to do this? And its not beaming back information to the mother planet because it would take over 4 years for that information to get back there....actually over 8 years from the time they left.
Even if that was somehow possible, what is allowing it to sustain itself if its alive?
So it seems EXTREMELY unlikely that something living....a living creature of any kind is inside these vehicles if thats what they are(vehicles). It would have to be a form of artificial intelligence that doesn't require consuming anything, except some sort of energy to drive it.
That's just 1 wild guess.........but there's another element to this.
If these beings have life spans of hundreds of years, maybe 8 years isn't very long to them but what the heck could provide the energy needed to propel these things to go that distance?
That does not make any sense at all............ unless they are able to use higher dimensions beyond the 3 dimensions of space(up/down, back/forth, left/right) and the dimension of time.
They could be traveling in a parallel or different universe and/or crossing over into our universe in a way that allows them to defy the limits imposed by the laws of physics in this universe, that include the speed of light.
That would be the only way to get here from that great distance and be doing what they are right now..........if that's whats happening. If that's the case, then they/we are not limited to just looking at the places within 10 of 20 or even 1,000 light years away. It could be any life from any distance if they are able to travel using higher order dimensions to go in at one place and come out at another place that is many light years away if measured by the distance using the known dimensions of our universe.
In other words, if there are other/parallel universes that we don't know about, maybe some of those universes have intelligent life far more advanced than ours that have mastered crossing over/between them and they don't have to be confined to abiding by the known laws of physics using the 4 dimensions that we are familiar with which only apply to individual universes compared to everything else in that same universe.
Almost no way to do it without that.
But it would still seem more likely that the Chinese or Russians have an advanced technology using artificial intelligence and energy/propulsion in a way that we can't.
Or it could be something else. When you don't understand something and can't come close to explaining it, you can't rule out anything.
For sure it's nuts to NOT be spending a great deal of resources to try to understand/explain it.
Bill Whitaker reports on the regular sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP, that have spurred a report due to Congress next month.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
"We have tackled many strange stories on 60 Minutes, but perhaps none like this. It's the story of the U.S. government's grudging acknowledgment of unidentified aerial phenomena— UAP—more commonly known as UFOs. After decades of public denial the Pentagon now admits there's something out there, and the U.S. Senate wants to know what it is. The intelligence committee has ordered the director of national intelligence and the secretary of defense to deliver a report on the mysterious sightings by next month."
metmike: As a scientist who triple checks crazy stories to bust them or validate them, I can say with absolute certainty that this is not a hoax or conspiracy theory of made up.
We may never get an explanation for what this is but its NOT a hoax.
Hi metmike, sometimes I have to chuckle, when I hear discussions about the possibility to travel to other solar systems
People always look at the task from OUR standpoint. Even astrophysicists, when they are looking for planets that could hold life, they look for planets in the “Goldilocks zone”.. just the right distance from the sun, and of course, it has to have water and air.
Who says other lifeforms have to be just like us. There could be life forms that inhale methane gas or carbon monoxide, and there could be some that don’t inhale anything. They could love to have temperatures at -100 degrees,or at +1000 degrees. And why would they need water? (astrophysicists in Southern Germany are looking for planets covered in beer)
Even on our earth, deep in the ocean trenches, where the water pressure is unbearable for even a whale, and where the sun never shines…there are life forms that couldn’t exist in shallower waters.
And you already addressed the time issue. People ask, how long would it take to travel to the nearest star, 4.5 light years away.
Well, the Sumerian Clay Tablets speak of an alien race called the Anunnaki. They supposedly had a life-span of 25,000 years. If this was true, a trip to Alpha Centauri would not be such a big deal, even if they only had our primitive forms of rocketry.
However, these UFOs are not built with our technology, and if some country could build such a vehicle, their pilots couldn’t survive it. It’s not the speed of these things, that’s amazing… it’s the acceleration… the quickness of going from standstill to a high speed. In aerospace business, it’s called the G-force. Human’s can only stand so much. The way these things accelerate, a human would be flattened on the wall
Quite possible, they operate on a different set of physics than the one we are burdened with.
A few months ago, one of our forum friends made a comment about this subject. He thought it was crazy to believe in UFOs. I don’t belittle him, I understand where he is coming from.
However, just think about this..
Our solar system has a bunch of planets. Some of these planets even have moons large enough to hold life.
And our sun is just a tiny speck, inside the Milky Way Galaxy. Our Milky Way holds approx.. 400 billion suns (that’s billion, with a “b”). Most of those suns have planets. The Milky way is 100,000 light years across.
Our nearest neighbor, as far as other big galaxies is concerned, is the Andromeda Nebula. It’s about 2.5 million light years away from us… and it’s bigger.. it holds about 800 billion suns. (and many of these suns have planets)(when I was a kid, I had a picture of the Andromeda taped to the wall of my room. At that time, we didn’t know much about how many other galaxies there are)
Not long ago, the Hubble Deep Field project aimed the telescope at a tiny little dark spot, a spot so dark, there was absolutely nothing to see but darkness.
They say, this spot was about the size of a piece of rice, held at arm’s length. And they aimed the Hubble at that spot and kept the camera lens open for a week, to assure that even the faintest light could leave it’s mark on the film. And what showed up on the film, after one week of expsosure? Approx 10,000 galaxies. If you ever see that picture, please remember that none of these tiny little dots is a sun… no, each one is a galaxy on its own.
So now, they estimate that there are several hundred billions of galaxies in our universe. And each of these galaxies can hold billions of suns, and most of these suns have planets……
Why would anyone think that only our little planet has life?
Now, I can understand a person coming from a religious standpoint. The Bible tells us how everything was created. And the Bible does not talk about other beings, someplace else. However, one could ask.. why would God create all these billions of galaxies, and only put people on this little planet? Even though Genesis doesn’t mention it, but couldn’t it be possible that God put people on billions of planets. And gave them similar instructions as he gave Adam and Eve? Just to see how they all behaved?
Interesting thoughts Gunter!
With all those other planets out there it does seem pretty likely that we are not the only intelligent life.
Our planet is probably over 4,000,000,000 years old and humans have only been on it for a very tiny fraction of that time.
The amount of technology we’ve developed in the last 150 years is many times greater than the amount of technology from the first human until 150 years ago.
So basically technology developed on this planet in just over the last 100 years was greater than the previous 4 billion years. Shows you how quickly this can happen.
What if some other life forms got a head start on us by a few million years.
That would be like asking how advanced we might be in a few million years.
150 years ago was around the start of the civil war. No way could people then imagine space travel, the internet, cell phones and hundreds of other things.
Seems like we have probably hit the law of diminishing returns on new inventions but in 1,000 years, if humans are still around, there will be things we could never imagine. What about 100,000 years from now?
At the rate we are going, we'll be seeing things in 20 years that we can't imagine today. We're in the midst of a technological revolution and the implications dwarf those of the industrial revolution.
What we've seen in phones and TV's, even cars, is just a hint. Robotics will require a lot of adaptation, and I suspect much of it will be painful. And who knows what new industries/products will be coming down the pike.
As far as extraterrestrials, they're out there. They just don't think we're ready to "join the party". Can't say I blame them. When they do show up, all the old rules will be tossed out the window.
Is faster than light possible? Some say yes.
Thanks cutworm!
Always intriguing to imagine things like this.