What was once debunked, is no longer debunked
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Started by GunterK - May 24, 2021, 8:29 p.m.

Last year, a horrible virus showed up in our land.

It came from a fish market in the city of Wuhan, China, we learned.

As happens so often in our modern internet-oriented world, conspiracy theories immediately emerged. Far-right extremists claimed that this virus was actually manufactured in a virology lab in that city. It was a man-made virus. Some even theorized that this virus was intentionally released, as a bioweapon, so to speak.

Fortunately, there were some upstanding fact checkers and media sites, who told us that all this nonsense was “disinformation”, “fake news”, released by “conspiracy theorist” sites, with the intention to sow discontent.

These fact-checkers did the research and were able to officially “debunk” all this misinformation and fake news.

Now it’s the year 2021, and the tables have turned. What was once “debunked misinformation”, is no longer debunked.

Intelligence agencies, scientists, and even some politicians are now pointing their fingers at the Wuhan Lab and demand an investigation.

“…Last week, Biden’s CDC Director said she remained open to the possibility that the virus was leaked from the Wuhan lab and scientific groups have also asserted that the lab leak is the most likely source.”

Even Dr Fauci now states that the origin of the virus needs to be investigated.

Dr Fauci??????

Come on Dr Fauci! You and your team have tried for several years, to use “gain of function” methods to turn a corona virus into a killer virus. And when you were ordered to stop this kind of research, in 2015, a $3.7 mill dollar work order was given to your colleagues in the Wuhan Lab.  And you don’t know what went on in this lab?

Vox and Politifact are now backpedaling their claims of last year.


By GunterK - May 25, 2021, 10:12 a.m.
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here is a timeline, describing how the MSM flip-flopped in discussing this virus. Whatever Trump said, was criticized.

Even the intelligence community was against him... and they know everything..  don't they?


In all these discussions, little attention is given to this small comment:

"...Scientists studying bat diseases at China's maximum-security laboratory in Wuhan were engaged in a massive project to investigate animal viruses alongside leading military officials – despite their denials of any such links. "

Simple question: why would the military be engaged in investigating animal viruses? I thought, the military was only interested in weapons.

By metmike - May 25, 2021, 11:41 a.m.
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Exactly right Gunter!

Collapse of the fake consensus on Covid-19 origins


This was my comment.

    Mike Maguire

                            May 24, 2021 11:26 am

                10,000 cities on planet earth and COVID just happens to pop up out of nowhere in the city conducting research on virus’s like this.
Odds are at least 10,000 to 1 against this being random based on just that fact.         


By metmike - May 25, 2021, 12:09 p.m.
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I made another comment at that link:

"Most people have this belief that all scientists are little apolitical, non materialistic Mother Theresa's with lab coats, trying to save the planet.

This, like Climate Gate 2009 are quintessential examples of their profound ability to take control of key global science narratives and act as gatekeepers to create a manufactured science/ fake reality which accomplishes their political ideology/agenda. "

By metmike - May 25, 2021, 12:25 p.m.
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For those that want more information on Climategate, go here:


In 2009, a person hacked into the emails between the worlds top meteorologists(Climate Research Unit-IPCC) that control the narratives being used to support the fake climate crisis,  who were colluding to adjust data and control the peer review process and so on.

The scientists in this field all circled the wagons and did some fake investigations and found them to be entirely innocent.....despite the emails, when read by an objective atmospheric scientist are damning as hell.

Now, if you look it up on google or fact check it, ALL the information tells you that it didn't really happen and was made up by a bunch of deniers trying to smear good scientists and sabotage their effort to save the planet.

The TRUTH was completely censored out of mainstream sources. COMPLETELY wiped clean. It never happened...........because it contradicted the fake climate crisis. 

By metmike - May 25, 2021, 12:30 p.m.
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Just like they are trying to hide this 1989 article that busts the UN(running the Climate Accord scam) 

They have eliminated the title and date of it on the internet.



By metmike - May 25, 2021, 12:47 p.m.
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My computer/this site is being  viciously attacked this morning by some outside source and I'm having to rewrite numerous emails, so may have to take a break until it subsides.

By metmike - May 25, 2021, 12:52 p.m.
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The scary thing about this cover up is that the more powerful the scientists, the more knowledgeable they were...........the more corrupt they were/are in these realms.

There were at least many dozens that knew with absolute certainty that this virus was man made and did their best to mislead the rest of us.

So we busted them badly here.

If they lack the basic ethics to be honest about something like this..............we can't trust them about anything if we don't have all the facts to verify they are not trying to pull another fast one on us.

I've been posting this link below here for 15+ years. Been a few months since the last time:

Why Most Published Research Findings Are False


By metmike - May 25, 2021, 1:18 p.m.
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Somebody(s) is attacking my computer or this site relentlessly.

Been knocked off in the middle of a post 7 times in an hour.

By metmike - May 25, 2021, 11:03 p.m.
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" The current scientific consensus is that the virus is most likely of zoonotic origin, from bats or another closely-related mammal."

"SARS-CoV-2 appears to have originated in bats and was spread to humans by zoonotic transfer."

metmike: The chance of that  are likely something like 10,000 to 1.

10,000+ cities in the US and COVID pops up for the first time,  in the only city that has a lab which was experimenting with virus's like this. 

The people that covered this up intentionally should go to prison..........or at the least be held accountable with some sort of severe penalty. 

Instead, they will be protected.

Fauci and dozens of others had to have known this.......yet, they fed the lies to us, acting as elite authorities.

By metmike - May 25, 2021, 11:53 p.m.
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Biden ‘SHUT DOWN secret Trump-era State Department investigation’ into Wuhan lab at center of Covid ‘leak’ theory


"The probe was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, CNN reports, citing sources close to the matter.

The news comes as a renewed interest into whether the virus could have originated in a lab has been made public.

A bombshell report released by the Wall Street Journal this week alleged that three staffers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology became ill and had to be hospitalized in November 2019, weeks before China disclosed the outbreak to the world. 

The report led to renewed calls for a broader probe into whether Covid-19 could have escaped from a lab in Wuhan, where the pandemic is widely believed to have begun.

Even the nation's top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci admitted that he was "not convinced" that the virus is naturally occurring. "

By metmike - May 26, 2021, midnight
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Origins of the inquiry

"The State Department project began in late 2020, months after Pompeo and President Donald Trump first claimed that the virus could have originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. In May 2020, Pompeo claimed there was "enormous evidence" and a "significant amount of evidence" to support the claim -- despite the US intelligence community saying there was no definitive answer as to precisely where and how the virus began transmitting. 

Pompeo did not respond to CNN's requests for comment.

The inquiry also came amid a broader effort by some in the Trump administration to look for ways to blame the Chinese government for the outbreak and deflect responsibility from its own handling of the virus, which had claimed over 200,000 lives by Election Day in November.

As Trump and Pompeo regularly spoke about the "China virus," their continued suggestions that the virus originated in a lab raised concerns among some State Department and intelligence officials over what they viewed as attempts to politicize what little the US knew about the virus's origins. But those involved in the effort looked at it as more of a need to probe unanswered questions, rather than a politically motivated program.

Still, the quiet inquiry eventually became a contentious issue at the State Department during the few months it was active. 

Proponents of the effort, including Pompeo himself, argued that the potential connection between the Chinese military and the pandemic needed to be investigated and that the administration was justified to include the inquiry in the State Department's ongoing and legally mandated review of countries' compliance with arms control treaties, according to four sources familiar with the matter.

Officials involved in the effort relied on scientific research as well as public and classified information to probe the lab leak theory, including looking into any possible connection between the virus and the Chinese government's biological weapons program, three of the sources told CNN. "

By metmike - May 26, 2021, 12:04 a.m.
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Biden team shut down State Dept. inquiry probing possible lab link to COVID: report

By Mark Lungariello


May 25, 2021 


"The State Department’s inquiry grew “contentious” last year as some questioned whether the investigation was part of a Trump administration effort to blame China for the outbreak, CNN said, citing sources."

metmike: They were just applying the "Trump rule"

If Trump was for something, everybody had to be against it. The last thing they needed was to discover Trump was right about the origin of the virus and that would make it harder to blame Trump for the cases in the US.

By metmike - May 26, 2021, 12:07 a.m.
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This is insane.

Almost 1.5 years after the first cases were reported in Wuhan, where the lab was and we still don't know what the origins of the virus were..............and Biden shuts down the only investigation in the US looking seriously at what really happened............which is that it came from the lab in the same city.

But they've had dozens of investigations into the 1 day event, on January. 6th,  less than 5 months ago.

Politics at it's worst.

By cutworm - May 26, 2021, 9:37 a.m.
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These fact-checkers did the research and were able to officially “debunk” all this misinformation and fake news.

So these "Fact Checkers" Really didn't check the FACTS just repeated what what their belief system led them to believe. "So fact checkers" are not all what they claim. IMHO 

By metmike - May 26, 2021, 11:43 a.m.
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Exactly cutworm!

Fact checkers mainly rely on the prevailing, mainstream view.

Here's a good example. This site pretends that the 10 items on the list are all myths. The AUTHENTIC facts actually prove irrefutably that over half of these so called myths are absolutely TRUE.

Some of the spin that they put on this is scientifically hilarious. I would categorize such sites as being in the business of "damage control" to address people thinking for themselves after getting a hold of legit data/science that causes them to realize there is no climate crisis. 

10 myths about climate change


The planet is greening up. The optimal level of CO2 is double this. Polar bear numbers have increased 30% since 2005. Most creatures on the planet WANT more CO2. China is building more new coal plants than the US even has to shut down and already emits more CO2 than all the developed countries combined currently. 

Renewable energy is very unreliable. Solar and wind WRECK the environment. Fossil fuels massively green up the planet.  Renewables are a money making scheme....though I am for solar in areas that get loads of high angled sunshine. 

Climate change might or might not become a future problem but its the opposite of a problem/crisis now..........we are having a climate OPTIMUM!

But people will read the junk science/science fiction at that link and think they just got smarter...............but the propaganda just made them much dumber(stole their intelligence)

By metmike - May 26, 2021, 12:40 p.m.
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You might wonder why/how they get away with this?

1. There aren't people fact checking the fact checkers.

2. Since its the prevailing/mainstream view, it doesn't matter what the truth is.....it's been accepted as an authentic fact..............whether it is or not.

3. Most important. We live in an age of manufactured realities. Everybody has basically accepted this now as the norm. Sources  make up their subjective facts, fake narratives and science fiction that totally gets bought, as long as they can provide a convincing spin to make it seem plausible. If it's plausible............it can be turned into the accepted reality. The more creative and convincing the spin, the better it works.

4. People have become totally dependent on the internet, social media/MSN and other powerful communication technologies to get their information. But instead of them doing the time consuming and challenging research themselves, which would take up their entire lives........they just go to their favorite news sources that hand it to them on a silver platter. Or look it up with a google search, which is almost all mainstream view sources and many sources  that contradict the mainstream view,  get semi censored or listed in a way so that they are hard to find with a search. This is how they have taken over our brains. 

By metmike - May 26, 2021, 2:16 p.m.
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Biden orders spy agencies to review COVID-19 origins, ‘lab leak’ theory


metmike: It's much more likely that they are doing this for damage control than to really focus on the discovery process.

Why did they cancel the previous investigation into this if they really wanted to discover new things in this realm?

After they got busted cancelling that one and got bad press, it resulted in them changing their strategy...............to offset the damage.

Like the repeat offense/habitual criminal who gets caught red handed saying he's sorry and using words to express that.....again.

Yeah, sorry he got caught.

If the media, including CNN had not exposed his previous bad decision, which represents his true position,  these investigations would never have been ordered.

Hopefully, they will be objective and find the truth.........but don't count on it because they decided on the THEIR truth over a year ago and have been peddling that LIE since then.

In order to get to the truth here, a bunch of lying scientists have to be exposed.

Don't count on it.

By metmike - June 2, 2021, 11:52 a.m.
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This article is paywalled but I copied the headlines.

Washington Post: Labeling Lab Leak as ‘Debunked Conspiracy Theory’ Was Wrong


By Zachary Stieber


                            June 2, 2021                            Updated: June 2, 2021                        

The Washington Post quietly walked back its claims regarding the theory that the virus that causes COVID-19 escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

The paper in February 2020 published an article claiming the idea was a “conspiracy theory” that had been “debunked.” The article attacked Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), who called for an investigation into the origins of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.

By metmike - June 2, 2021, 8:12 p.m.
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This article is also pay walled.

As common sense has been telling us from the beginning.

There are over 10,000 cities in the world but only  1 global lab like this studying and experimenting with coronavirus's and that 1 lab is located in Wuhan, China.

What are the chances of this coronavirus randomly popping up for the first time in the same city that's been studying this corona virus?

1 out of 10,000 chance!

Mike Pompeo Says 'Every Piece of Evidence' Points to Wuhan ...


By wglassfo - June 2, 2021, 11:43 p.m.
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Hi Mike

I am a bit concerned about the attacks on your lap top

My lap top works perfectly and so does this forum

I haven't heard anybody else with the same problem

I really don't know what can be done but I am a bit, heck a lot, worried about you

By metmike - June 3, 2021, 12:05 a.m.
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Thanks Wayne,

I had been having alot of strange trouble for some time when typing and  posting stuff here and my 33 year old  computer wiz son couldn't explain it or fix it.

I finally mentioned it here in a post and even more oddly, the problems vanished within an hour of that and has been completely gone since then.

It really must be a coincidence but I am just glad that it stopped. It was taking me more than 3 times the duration to type most posts and I had to constantly reload Firefox every few minutes to get whatever bug it was off.