Public Trust in government
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Started by metmike - June 18, 2022, 3:04 p.m.

Public trust in government near historic lows

When the National Election Study began asking about trust in government in 1958, about three-quarters of Americans trusted the federal government to do the right thing almost always or most of the time. Trust in government began eroding during the 1960s, amid the escalation of the Vietnam War, and the decline continued in the 1970s with the Watergate scandal and worsening economic struggles. Confidence in government recovered in the mid-1980s before falling again in the mid-1990s. But as the economy grew in the late 1990s, so too did confidence in government. Public trust reached a three-decade high shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but declined quickly thereafter. Since 2007, the shares saying they can trust the government always or most of the time has not surpassed 30%.


Today, 29% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say they trust government just about always or most of the time, compared with 9% of Republicans and Republican-leaners. Democrats report slightly less trust in the federal government today than a year ago; there has been no change in the views of Republicans.

metmike: The biggest gains by far were during the Clinton years. Both houses were controlled by the Rs and the economy was doing wonderful.

The biggest drops were during Johnson/Nixon ( Vietnam war/Watergate) and Bush-2(Iraq war).

Interesting that the only truly very honest president on the list above, Carter saw a steady drop that was caused by some unique political dynamics  and the Iran hostage taking sealed his fate.

By mcfarm - June 18, 2022, 3:48 p.m.
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"he Iran hostage taking" ...think maybe the fact he sat and did not a damn thing about is what "sealed his fate"

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 6:04 p.m.
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"he Iran hostage taking" ...think maybe the fact he sat and did not a damn thing about is what "sealed his fate"

That's totally NOT true mcfarm. He authorized a plan to rescue them and the military totally botched it!!!

EDIT/ADDITION: It looks like it was Carter that ordered the military to come up with the rescue plan......which is the complete opposite of your description mcfarm.


1980 April 24

Iran hostage rescue mission ends in disaster

With the Iran Hostage Crisis stretching into its sixth month and all diplomatic appeals to the Iranian government ending in failure, President Jimmy Carter ordered the military mission as a last ditch attempt to save the hostages. During the operation, three of eight helicopters failed, crippling the crucial airborne plans. The mission was then canceled at the staging area in Iran, but during the withdrawal one of the retreating helicopters collided with one of six C-130 transport planes, killing eight service members and injuring five. The next day, a somber Jimmy Carter gave a press conference in which he took full responsibility for the tragedy. The hostages were not released for another 270 days.

Read those word in bold mcfarm. That's what you call a US president with honestly and integrity who held HIMSELF responsible for the failure of people below him that he trusted and they let him down..........but he didn't throw them under the bus. It was not his fault that the military failed miserably but he blamed only himself.

That's on of the reasons that  I always appreciated Carter.

By mcfarm - June 18, 2022, 6:46 p.m.
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yep just like Biden after the 13 US personnel were slaughtered in the Aphgan mess, except Biden did no such admission but both were total messes. Although I seem to remember a sand storm in Carters case not  military botch

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 7:46 p.m.
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Ahhhhh, mcfarm, the military has accurate weather forecasts and knew they were over a desert which is covered by sand.

they picked the date and time if it was a sandstorm. 

we had accurate weather models then and even satellite pix.

the fatalities were caused by human error/miscalculation that resulted in a collision.

one of the retreating helicopters collided with a transport plane.

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 8:18 p.m.
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So to be accurate, here's the actual account.

The real blunder was when the helicopter crashed into a transport aircraft  because of miscalculation and ignited all the jet fuel.

Operation Eagle Claw, known as Operation Tabas (Persian: عملیات طبس) in Iran,[1] was a failed operation by the United States Armed Forces ordered by U.S. President Jimmy Carter to attempt to rescue 52 embassy staff held captive at the Embassy of the United States, Tehran on 24 April 1980.

The operation, one of Delta Force's first,[2] encountered many obstacles and failures and was subsequently aborted. Eight helicopters were sent to the first staging area called Desert One, but only five arrived in operational condition.[3] One had encountered hydraulic problems, another was caught in a sand storm, and the third showed signs of a cracked rotor blade.  During the operational planning, it was decided that the mission would be aborted if fewer than six helicopters remained operational, despite only four being absolutely necessary.[3]In a move that is still discussed in military circles, the field commanders advised President Carter to abort the mission, which he did.[4]

As the U.S. forces prepared to withdraw from Desert One,  one of the remaining helicopters crashed into a transport aircraft that contained both servicemen and jet fuel. The resulting fire destroyed both aircraft and killed eight servicemen.[3]

In the context of the Iranian Revolution, Iran's new leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, stated that the mission had been stopped by an act of God ("angels of God") who had foiled the U.S. mission in order to protect Iran and his new Islamist government. In turn, Carter blamed his loss in the 1980 U.S. presidential election mainly on his failure to secure the release of the hostages.[5] Finally, the American hostages were released shortly after Reagan's inauguration.[6]

In addition to the formal report, various reasons for the mission failure have been argued, with most analysts agreeing that an excessively complex plan, poor operational planning, flawed command structure, lack of adequate pilot training and poor weather conditions were all contributing factors and combined to the failure of the operation

metmike: The US military is the best in the world and these are all brave, usually extremely trained soldiers giving up their lives for their country, so I don't want to take anything away from that.

Carter trusted them and ordered them to come up with a rescue plan then called it off when they advised him to do so.

Under most circumstances, they could have pulled it off. I still remember how devastated I was at reading/hearing the news and seeing the reaction from Iran....celebrating.  It made me hate their guts for a very long time back then!

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 8:24 p.m.
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You may have remembered this too. I watched Nightline EVERY night for many years.

How about others here?

Still remember the theme song and them posting the number of days of the hostage crisis.

The Iran Crisis–America Held Hostage (1979)

The program had its beginnings on November 8, 1979, just four days after the start of the Iran hostage crisis. ABC News president Roone Arledge felt that the best way to compete against NBC's The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson was to update Americans on the latest news from Iran. At that time, the show was called The Iran Crisis–America Held Hostage: Day "xxx", where xxx represented the number of days that Iranians held the occupants of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran as hostages. Originally, World News Tonight lead anchor Frank Reynolds hosted the 20-minute-long special reports.

Shortly after its creation, Reynolds stopped hosting the program. Ted Koppel, then ABC News's State Department Correspondent, took on the hosting duties. It was not until a few days later that a producer had the idea of displaying the number of days on America Held Hostage (e.g., Day 15, Day 50, Day 150, etc.).

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 8:31 p.m.
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Look what I found on Nightline!!!

                Joe Biden 1980 Interview on Iranian Hostage Crisis - ABC News Nightline - 4/15/80

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 8:35 p.m.
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First Episode of ABC News Nightline - Iranian Hostage Crisis - March 24, 1980

Ted Kopple did an awesome job!

By metmike - June 18, 2022, 8:45 p.m.
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Video report on the failure of the rescue. Tells us a great deal.

Carter was told before hand by the secret agents at the embasy that it would be "a piece of cake"

"Desert One": Inside the failed 1980 hostage rescue in Iran