Do we have too many people on this planet??
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Started by wglassfo - Sept. 22, 2022, 5:19 p.m.

If we have 350 million people who are food insecure, then one might say we have 350 million too many people on this planet

If you can't buy enough food for yourself and family, then you are just taking up space that somebody else could use the resources much better and buy food for the family


We have too many dead beats who can't figure out how to compete for scarce resources, such as food

If the resources are scarcely able to meet the needs of the present population then we have too many people

Or: We have too many people like myself who won't sell scarce resources unless I get 10 dollars a bu for my new crop corn

One of my buyers called this morning, looking for corn

I priced my new crop at 10 dollars a bu CAD and he thought I would get my price

Who is the bad guy here

The dead beat who can't buy 10 dollar corn or me who demands 10 dollars CAD for new crop corn

My buyer was very sure he would be giving me a call offering 10 dollars for my corn

I did not tell him it was 1st come 1st sold, but he knows this, as he has been buying my corn for many yrs

I am the seller, so it is up to me to set my price 1st

Do you make an offer for a new car or do you look at the asking price sticker in the window before making an offer to buy

I want an ICE machine which may be a rare commodity in yrs to come so maybe I need to make my purchase offer now, for 2025 Of coarse the option pkg may be limited at my offering price

Or maybe they will offer a lease program I can afford

If resources are scarce then market price determines who gets the resource

Unless you are Putin who won't sell energy at any price to the EU

By metmike - Sept. 22, 2022, 10:29 p.m.
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For a guy worried about his memory fading fast and getting confused, I'd say your brain is still generating some profound this one. 

On a global level, the answer to this question is the biggest reason for the fake climate crisis and many other actions. 

The real plan to save the planet ideally features LESS people consuming less natural resources.

Department of Economic and Social Affairs

More than a third of 50 recently surveyed Nobel laureates cited “population rise / environmental degradation” as the biggest threat to humankind. Second on the list was “nuclear war”, cited by 23 percent of the laureates, while no other issue was selected by more than 10 percent of respondents

Dutch farmers and nitrogen : 

Fertilizer/Natural Gas Prices. Energy crisis in Europe because of unreliable fake green/anti environmental energy! August 2022

Another secret about fossil fuels: Haber Bosch process-fertilizers feeding the planet using natural gas-doubling food production/crop yields. September 2019

With regards to what fair value is for food. 

In a free market/capitalism it's based on the laws of supply/demand. 

Producers that grow food don't do it as a donation to charity or to give buyers the best deal possible.

 They do it because thats their profession that they use to make money. If they make more money, it means they are good at what they do and those that pay them, whatever the price is.......couldn't get it cheaper from another source.

If input cost soar higher like they have......ALL producers must dial that into the price too.

Because it's FOOD, something that every person on the planet(and animals) eat and needs to survive, its an essential item and gives the seller more power in some situations, when rationing limits supplies,  because it's a necessity and buyers MUST pay eventually.

By metmike - Sept. 22, 2022, 10:32 p.m.
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Good article. 

Almost all the population growth will be coming from Africa and Asia!

Feeding the world in 2050 and beyond – Part 1: Productivity challenges

FeedingWorldPart1-Fig2Figure 1. Population growth 1950 – 2050.

By metmike - Sept. 22, 2022, 10:35 p.m.
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What Drives Population - Food or Energy?

Population, food and energy

By metmike - Sept. 22, 2022, 10:44 p.m.
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Related very much to this.

The 2nd graph below shows  that food production increases are keeping up with the increase in world population, which is now almost 8 billion people.

The Positive Externalities of Carbon Dioxide: Estimating the Monetary Benefits of Rising Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations on Global Food Production

 Future Monetary Benefit Calculations and Results

Table 4. The total monetary benefit of Earth's rising atmospheric CO2 concentration on each of the forty-five crops listed in Table 1 for the period 2012-2050. Values are in constant 2004-2006 U.S. dollars.


The results of the above set of calculations once again reveal a tremendous financial benefit of Earth's rising atmospheric CO2 concentration on global food production.  Over the period 2012 through 2050, the projected benefit amounts to $9.8 trillion, which is much larger than the $3.2 trillion that was observed in the longer 50-year historic period of 1961-2011.

By bear - Sept. 30, 2022, 4:26 p.m.
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something interesting happened more than 10 years ago.  we now have more obese people on the planet, than what we have malnurished people on the planet. 

we can easily produce enough food to feed everyone.  

people are "food-insecure" for various reasons,  but malthus was wrong.  people today are Not starving because of a lack of natural resources.  people go hungry because of bad government policy.  too much bureaucracy, or too much socialism, or civil war, etc.  

people in N.Korea go hungry because of bad govt.  people in the old soviet union starved because of bad govt policy. people in china, a few decades back, starved because of bad govt policy.  people in venezuela recently are going hungry because of too much socialism/communism.  i can give many more examples. 

people i know around tucson may have trouble feeding the family because the parents make really bad financial choices.  spend too much money on beer, cigarettes, lotto tickets, tattoos, drugs, etc, but no food in the fridge. 

it is also tough when the parents go thru a divorce.  basically paying 2 rents will mean less money available for feeding the kids.  

my kids may not realize how lucky they have it.  they have 2 parents that have been married for 40 years, and get along, and work together (i have usually worked 3 jobs), to make sure there is a roof over their head, and food on the table, etc.

By bear - Sept. 30, 2022, 10:16 p.m.
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2 more thoughts on this...

i think the planet could support more people.  limited resources is not an issue.  

but... i personally would prefer a planet with fewer people.  i live out in a rural area.  i have always loved wild areas.  i could never live in the middle of new york city, or tokyo.  

here is the big issue that shows there are too many people on this earth.  there is too much trash.  and too much pollution.  (no i am not worried about global warming).  it is almost impossible to find a place to put a new landfill.  and the amount of pollution in places like china and russia is horrendous.  

By metmike - Oct. 2, 2022, 2:19 a.m.
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You said it bear!

Therealenvironmental crisis's/insects dying-dead zones-aquifers drying up-plastics in the ocean-landfills/trash-over consumption of natural resources-REAL pollution in the air/soil/water, WIND TURBINES (metmike is a PRACTICING environmentalist): April 2019