Bad Night for Election Deniers
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Started by joj - Nov. 9, 2022, 6:31 a.m.

The following GOP candidates for governor refused to say that they would have certified Biden's win:

Tim Michels, Wisconsin (lost)

Tudor Dixon, Michigan (lost)

Doug Mastriano, PA (lost)

Darren Bailey, Illinois (lost)

Dan Cox, MD (lost)

Lee Zeldin, NY (lost)

Kari Lake, Arizona (too close to call)

"Democracy on the ballot" perhaps was a winning pitch by Dems/Biden?

By metmike - Nov. 9, 2022, 9:39 a.m.
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Thanks Joj,

This seems extremely likely.  The dems should have been shellacked based on so many bad decisions the past 2 years with them in control.

By metmike - Nov. 9, 2022, 9:52 a.m.
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Kari Lake, Arizona (too close to call)

Kari Lake raises unfounded doubts about election results in Arizona governor race that’s too early to call

      “We had November 3, 2020, that was called incompetency 101,” Lake said. She went on to suggest there was “incompetency” at play in both the August primary and in Tuesday’s election – a not-so-subtle critique of her opponent’s oversight over elections. It was not immediately clear what she was referring to, but there has been no evidence of any widespread fraud.  

        “We need honest elections and we’re going to bring them to you, Arizona, I assure you of that. The system we have right now does not work,” Lake said. She later told her supporters to be patient and said she was confident that she would win.  

All four GOP nominees at the top of the ticket in Arizona have echoed Trump’s lies about the 2020 election. And right-wing media seized on tabulator problems in Maricopa County earlier on Tuesday to raise the idea of fraud – despite assurances to the contrary from county officials – in a clear echo of some conservatives’ repeated attempts to cast doubt on Maricopa’s results in 2020.


With this position, let's hope that she loses.

By WxFollower - Nov. 9, 2022, 10:56 a.m.
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 What if Lake wins? Would she then suddenly accept the result as accurate? Should the Dems then not accept the results? It would serve her right lmao.

By metmike - Nov. 9, 2022, 11:36 a.m.
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this is true Larry.

its a sad reality that defines tribalism in society, especially demonstrated in politics today. 

both sides adopt themes or positions that they think (know)will play well to generate support from their base.

trump lost and republicans wanted him to win……so,let’s tell them what they want to hear. that can be expanded to telling them the same thing in other elections. Rs always hear the outcome they want.

this is no threat to democracy. It’s Rs being delusional in believing in a lie That will get corrected every time we have an election….proving how the democratic election process is so strong.

what if 80% of the people believed in this?

the election process is still about counting votes and they can contest losses all they want.

if people want to change laws that make it harder or easier to Vote and they are in the majority or they voted for people running on that platform….that’s how the democracy works. It’s not based on whether you like the candidates but whether they get the most votes using campaign strategies that often feature dishonest themes That generate votes.

By metmike - Nov. 10, 2022, 10:43 a.m.
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Other than the loose cannon running in Arizona(where they are actually experiencing enormous election counting problems-not tied to fraud-just blatant incompetence)  I don't hear/read all the election deniers screaming about the elections being rigged for them to lose.

Maybe I missed it.

By metmike - Nov. 11, 2022, 1:45 p.m.
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Trump’s favorite candidates disappoint on Election Day, raising questions about his 2024 pitch

Former President Donald Trump hosted an election night party Tuesday at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort, and invited a full pool of reporters to document what he hoped would be a Republican landslide.

Earlier in the day, Trump had released a four-page press advisory detailing how much he had done to help Republicans up and down the ballot.

The list ranged from endorsements Trump issued on behalf of obscure secretary of state candidates, to the hundreds of millions of dollars he helped raise for Republicans mounting high-profile Senate campaigns. At huge rallies over the weekend, Trump read off a list of Republican candidates while honing a speech that sounded like his own 2024 presidential campaign stump speech.

The message was clear: Trump was the leader of the Republican Party, and the party would have Trump to thank for its expected victories on Election Day. The former president implicitly put himself on the ballot in recent weeks as he campaigned with 2022 candidates — and all but acknowledged he held back on a 2024 campaign launch he hoped to jump-start before the midterms.

But as returns began to come in Tuesday evening, the Republican rout driven by Trump’s chosen candidates never materialized.


Maybe this will be a wake up call to tens of millions of republicans in brainwashed denial that Trump is extremely toxic in the voting booths and the biggest gift to an opposing party in history.........that just keeps on giving because the givers, who want to be takers of votes from democrats are in 100% denial that they are doing this. 

Fox is still telling the delusional pro Trump version, so don't count on much to be learned until Fox teaches it. 

By WxFollower - Nov. 11, 2022, 2:11 p.m.
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 This is great news although it looks like Rep. Lauren Boebert of CO is likely to win in a nail-biter. Regardless, she has badly underperformed vs expectations. We'll see if Walker ends up as another election denier loser in next month's runoff.

 I'm reading more and more about fellow Republicans FINALLY abandoning 45. I'm expecting 45 to thus try to get revenge and turn on these folks. I'm no 45 fan whatsoever, but it would serve them right. This GOP infighting is good news for Dems in the near future.

By metmike - Nov. 11, 2022, 4:23 p.m.
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The top 2 are pay walled sources:

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22 hours ago — We can't win races if he continues to be the head of the party," said one Republican as party insiders blamed Trump for brutal losses the ...


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1 day ago — Donald J. Trump faced unusual public attacks from across the Republican Party on Wednesday after a string of midterm losses by candidates he


 Red Dead [No] Redemption 

We ‘Sh!t the Bed So Bad.’ The GOP Post-Midterm Meltdown Has Begun

“If we can’t win under these circumstances, when can we win?” one Republican megadonor asked

Trump won’t be the Republican nominee in 2024, ex-GOP House Speaker Paul Ryan predicts

By metmike - Nov. 11, 2022, 4:28 p.m.
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Do you remember when everyone said that Donald Trump can't win and be president before the 2016 election?

Republicans have been thinking that this will just be a replay of that situation. 

Earth to Trump's REALLY over for ever and ever now (AMEN) for Trump in the world of successful politics. 

If you want to keep digging the hole deeper and deeper by clinging to Trump......that's your right......and congratulations democrats for being the major benefactors.

By joj - Nov. 11, 2022, 4:34 p.m.
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Maybe this is the beginning of Trump's demise.  But I wouldn't bet the house on it.

He garners about 35-40% of the Republican voters.  But they are very loyal.  The above quotes and links MM posted remind me a little bit of the previous efforts by the establishment Republicans to stop him (all of which have failed).  Those faithful MAGA might not abandon him (classic cult leader) until they are all vanquished.  

Trump is denigrating DeSantis daily.  As of yet DeSantis hasn't spoken ill of Trump, nor hinted about running.  But the pull will be great on him to jump in at some point.

By metmike - Nov. 11, 2022, 6:11 p.m.
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Excellent point joj!

And yes, this is absolutely a cult.

Fox news is the most important high priest in the cult and even more powerful than Trump in many ways.

If Fox came out against would be over for him. 

Until that happens, Trump maintains non wavering political life support from those double digit Rs that will never change their minds.........exactly as you pointed out!