sure seems like a very simple question for the FBI
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Started by mcfarm - Nov. 17, 2022, 1:46 p.m.

so sir, is the FBI receiving private information from Facebook. Twitter or any other social media company without it being compelled asked Rand Paul to the ever bigger and bigger liar Chris Ray. Should he answer any other way than "no" its against the law and he and all others who did so should go straight to jail. Freedom of speech used to be a rather big deal in this country right up until about the Obama administration and forward. Well just guess how old Chris Wray answered? Hmmm, Haww, its complicated, cannot give you any details etc etc etc. Again and again the FBI has proven they are not to be trusted, believed, or for that matter even funded. They have turned into an arm of the dem party just as sure as the media has and must be shut down.....or we could just put the USSR of America flag up today

By 12345 - Nov. 17, 2022, 2:04 p.m.
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By mcfarm - Nov. 17, 2022, 2:28 p.m.
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times a thousand Jean

By mcfarm - Nov. 19, 2022, 10:47 a.m.
Like Reply   just a few of the matters that the FBI is looking into .....this is a dumpster fire of an organization

By mcfarm - Nov. 19, 2022, 5:10 p.m.
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so little boy wonder Garland comes out with a stern warning that he is looking into any person or organization that interfered with the election. Gee, Merritt, you think maybe anyone, anywhere, at any time has ever interfered more with an election than the FBI, the DOJ and the dems who paved the way into all the fake Russian collusion crap and the Mueller fake investigation followed by the Hunter cover up?????  here again wray cannot even assure Americans the FBI dressed as Trump supporters were not in the Capitol on the is that for a confidence booster????

By 12345 - Nov. 19, 2022, 10:50 p.m.
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By metmike - Nov. 19, 2022, 11:36 p.m.
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"  here again wray cannot even assure Americans the FBI dressed as Trump supporters were not in the Capitol on the is that for a confidence booster????"


This guy is acting like a complete moron and bully. That extremely absurd question about the FBI dressing up as Trump supporters and breaking into the building  is such a retarded question  that it doesn't deserve an answer. 

Who would actually believe it?

How about people that believe all the fake news, far right conspiracy theories that Fox (Epoch Times) broadcasts as secrets that only they know about to convince viewers/readers of big fat lies. 

Sure, there are numerous incidents that feature  blatant lies and cover ups from the government, people on the left, MSM, DOJ, FBI, CIA as well as the other side's doing similar things at times. me on this one. It's another example of the many of Fox News's/Epoch Times conspiracy theories with no authentic evidence to back it up. 

Just like the manufactured Ray Epps conspiracy theory from Fox news that was debunked and the insanely ridiculous  claim that Nancy Pelosi called off the 20,000 National Guard troops that Trump called from protecting the building. 


Sean Hannity

stated on June 9, 2022 in a TV segment:

“Donald Trump authorized up to 20,000 National Guard troops to protect the Capitol" before Jan. 6, 2021, but was "rejected" by Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.



Tucker Carlson: Why hasn't Ray Epps been prosecuted?

Republicans spread the conspiracy theory that Trump supporter Ray Epps was an undercover FBI agent who incited the Capitol riot. Epps says it ruined his life.

Everybody has a right to their opinion but this is not about an opinion. These are blatant lies manufactured by Fox in the evening and others that get passed on that target their  audience of believers who, they know won't fact check or use critical thinking to gain objective discernment to validate any information they hear/see on Fox.


Neither political party has a franchise on the truth.

If you believe one party all the will believe in lies some of the time.



"The trick is being able to tell the difference between the truth and the lies, then picking the truth from BOTH parties and rejecting their lies.

What makes that incredibly difficult to do is that the stronger your affiliation to a party is,  the more blindly you embrace all the tenets of their belief system!


The ludicrous conspiracy theory:

Wray Refuses to Answer Whether FBI Had Sources ‘Dressed as Trump Supporters’ on Jan. 6

Fact-check: Fox News and Republican lawmakers push new false flag conspiracy that FBI orchestrated US Capitol attack

Fox News Would Like to Make It Clear That Tucker Carlson’s Deranged January 6 Show Is Not on Fox News


Here's the content of one of his most retarded shows ever covering this:

CARLSON: So you look at the guy in the Viking horns, the Chewbacca guy and you may reach the obvious conclusion, maybe psilocybin mushrooms aren't good for you, and that's fair. But no honest person could look at that video and decide America is under attack from terrorists.

So then you have to ask, is that what the rest of the so-called insurrection look like?

Well, now we have an answer because a Federal Judge just rejected the Biden administration's strenuous attempts to hide the surveillance footage from January 6th.
So footage was just released. It was obtained by BuzzFeed. It covers 15 minutes on January 6th from 2:25 p.m. to 2:40 p.m. Eastern and those are key moments in the so-called insurrection.
Now right now, you're seeing images from a surveillance camera positioned at the entrance to the Senate wing of the Capitol. You don't see people hiding bombs or using bayonets or firing weapons, trying to take over the country in an insurrection.

You see people walking around and taking pictures. They don't look like terrorists, they look like tourists, and all of them by the way are Americans.
The rest of the footage including shots from surveillance cameras outside the crypt of the Capitol is similar to this. You can look it all up by the way, it's online right now and you should because you will notice that contrary to what the Department of Justice, we're going to have to start putting air quotes around that, contrary to what D.O.J. claimed, none of the footage shows a secret route into the Capitol. Oh, that ISIS-K could use.
So why did they keep this from us? Well, here is one theory. You can compare the footage released today was what Democrats showed us during the impeachment hearings earlier this year.
Take a look at this. It is surveillance footage showing a squad of people dressed in all black systematically entering the Capitol and kicking open one of the exterior doors on the Senate side. These people appear to be well-trained and coordinated. They're not high in hallucinogenic mushrooms.
The question is: who are they? And why don't we know their names? And why aren't they dressed like any of the other people in the footage that was just released?
Remember, we were attacked for saying this, but we've already been vindicated for it. We still don't know how many Federal agents were involved in the events that day on January 6th, but we have very good reason to believe from court documents that it's a significant number.
And here's one clue. At a recent rally in Washington, the Feds managed to arrest one of their own undercover agents. There were so many Feds at the event that they lost track of each other and arrested one of them.

So we ask once again, how many Federal agents were there on January 6th? Why can't we know? What is clear is that once again, this footage reveals the first draft of history was a total lie, an intentional distortion, a mirage created to control you. It was the work of a specific political party. It was the work of the Democratic Party.

So, it turns out, the vast majority of people inside the Capitol on January 6 were peaceful. They were not insurrectionists, they shouldn't have been there. They weren't trying to overthrow the government. That's a total crock.
And with that in mind, some of the other lies about January 6th start to make more sense.


Tucker Carlson: Government agents may have helped organize the Jan. 6 Capitol riot

The government is hiding the identity of many law enforcement officers who were present at the Capitol on Jan. 6

Tucker Carlson Bizarrely Blames the FBI for MAGA Riot

Where Tucker Carlson goes, Fox News and its viewers follow.    

Off the rails': New Tucker Carlson project for Fox embraces conspiracy theories

The network's top host is now leading them to an examination of the violent Jan. 6 siege of the U.S. Capitol in a three-part series called Patriot Purge, which was released this week on the network's right-wing streaming service Fox Nation.    

In the series, Carlson strongly suggests that the insurrection was not orchestrated by former President Donald Trump's fans but by his foes, including violent leftist antifa groups and even the FBI and other national security divisions. He plants the idea that the siege was a "false flag" operation to discredit Trump supporters.   

Carlson is promoting the series on his own prime-time show on Fox News — which is the top-rated program in all of cable news — and on the popular Fox & Friends morning show. 

"These kinds of conspiracy theories about Jan. 6 used to be relegated to weird blogs and known conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones," says Jared Holt, who monitors extremism on social media for the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab

As the Jan 6. hearing aired, Fox News ran an ad-free Tucker Carlson show pushing the debunked claim the riot was an FBI plot


And there are dozens of articles just like this that debunk one of the dumbest conspiracy theories in history!

By mcfarm - Nov. 20, 2022, 7:18 a.m.
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Atta boy MM. Called before a congressional oversight committee and refuses to answer questions and what do you do?    well condemn the question naturally. After all the FBi has done so damn much to build confidence in their corrupt organization that we should never question them or their dirty motives. Don't be that silly. Just how do you think things like Russian collusion, IRS dirty tricks, a gov kidnap hoax, guns for Mexican cartels that killed boarder guard, Russian disinformation to protect the Bidens, on and on all stem from?

By metmike - Nov. 20, 2022, 10:33 a.m.
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Thomas Sowell quote: When you want to help people, you tell them the...

By mcfarm - Nov. 20, 2022, 2:38 p.m.
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been much more wise to post just what Thomas Sowell thinks of out now totally corrupt FBi. That might be a truly teachable moment for any fool who believes anything they say.

By metmike - Nov. 20, 2022, 2:57 p.m.
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In other words, mcfarm only post things that he says that you want to read/hear.

i do that MUCH of the time, mcfarm or else you wouldn’t stIll come here.

I don’t need to remind you of how I feel about the corrupt US DOJ and the dozens of posts showing it. the mueller investigation, for instance  was the most pathetic, long lived, powerful  display of our justice system being dysfunctional and used politically to try to destroy somebody with an entirely false narrative carried for 2.5 extremely sad years.

at others times, I post things that you don’t like to read/hear and usually joj agrees with.

this is an ANTI echo chamber!

By mcfarm - Nov. 20, 2022, 4:35 p.m.
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actually MM you are wrong on multiple accounts. We were talking the corrupt fbi. You bring in Dr sowell. As I think he is one of the wisest American citizens it would of been great just to hear his thoughts on our new 2 tiered justice system and our most corrupt fbi. Especially since I have never heard him talk about such matters but being a fan of his I can certainly guess how he feels. Nothing to do with your current "go to" and assume it had anything to do with echo chambers.

By WxFollower - Nov. 20, 2022, 4:46 p.m.
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The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election

So why won’t the media admit as much?

By mcfarm - Nov. 20, 2022, 5:02 p.m.
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well, Wx that is one publication's opinion.  God forbid if a conservative ventured such a thought with the new thought and disinformation committee everywhere a lib exists. And that thought is also hard to maintain  when these latest elections were the most accurate and secure in history some say.

By metmike - Nov. 21, 2022, 12:36 a.m.
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It's awesome that you brought up the 2016 election.

Perfect time for a little flashback to remind everybody of some things that have been long forgotten about that election......when the democrats, MSM and DOJ blamed Russia's interference and Trump colluding with Russia for the election loss by Clinton.

                By metmike - Nov. 19, 2020, 6:20 p.m.          

                                     You guys are a trip (-:

You're acting in similar fashion to the ones you condemned for acting this way 4 years ago after their very tough loss. 

And the ones that acted this way 4 years ago, after losing are condemning Trump supporters for acting like they did 4 years ago.

4 years ago, we were hearing the exact same absurd things from the Clinton supporters  and some in the MSM who refused to acknowledge the loss or that Trump was elected fairly or should be the president.

Russia hacked voting systems in 39 states before the 2016 presidential election


This goes way deeper than we first thought.  


Russia’s efforts to hack the 2016 presidential election were much more widespread than originally thought. The Russian campaign hit 39 states — twice as many as originally reported — and in one case hackers tried to delete and alter voter data.

That’s the startling revelation from a Bloomberg report this morning. The extent of the cyber intrusion was so widespread that Obama administration officials used the infamous “red phone” — which is really a digital communications channel that allows the countries to send information back and forth  — to show Kremlin leaders what they had discovered. It remains unclear, though, if these intrusions had any direct effect on the election’s outcome.

Still, this is another example of Russia taking advantage of the many online vulnerabilities in America’s voting network, which is comprised of software companies, online registration sites, and vital information that election officials willingly send to each other over email.

All of them play an important part in obtaining and safeguarding sensitive voter information, but it appears the Russians have figured out how to get that data.

“If you got 10 people working to try and figure out what the US election system is for 18 months, of course they’re going to figure it out,” said Beau Woods, a cybersecurity expert at the Atlantic Council, a Washington-based think tank.

Russia, of course, denies having anything to do with the hackers that pulled this off. Either way, the news comes at an inauspicious time for President Donald Trump, who has had to deal with congressional hearings featuring former FBI Director James Comey last week and Attorney General Jeff Sessions today, each digging deep into his campaign’s possible collusion with Russia.


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                By metmike - Nov. 19, 2020, 6:24 p.m.        

Was Georgia’s Election System Hacked in 2016?

Robert Mueller’s latest indictments raise new questions about the integrity of Georgia’s voting infrastructure. Why is the state stonewalling?

When the Department of Homeland Security notified 21 states in 2017 that they had been targeted by Russian hackers intent on interfering with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Georgia—despite having one of the most vulnerable voting systems in the country—was not among them. Trump won the state by nearly 6 percentage points over Democrat Hillary Clinton, whose campaign had hoped to pick up the reliably Republican state for the first time since 1992.

DHS said Russian hackers had probed websites in the 21 states looking for vulnerabilities, and in at least one state—Illinois—they found a vulnerability in a server that hosted the state’s voter registration database, allowing them to access 90,000 voter records. But the Russians were apparently unsuccessful in finding vulnerabilities in other state election sites and evidently never bothered at all with servers in Georgia, according to the agency.

This was odd because around the same time the Russians were targeting other states, a security researcher in Georgia named Logan Lamb discovered a serious security vulnerability in an election server in his state. The vulnerability allowed him to download the state’s entire database of 6.7 million registered voters and would have allowed him or any other intruder to alter versions of the database distributed to counties prior to the election. Lamb also found PDFs with instructions and passwords for election workers to sign in to a central server on Election Day as well as software files for the state’s ExpressPoll pollbooks—the electronic devices used by poll workers to verify voters’ eligibility to vote before allowing them to cast a ballot.

The unpatched and misconfigured server had been vulnerable since 2014 and was managed by the Center for Election Systems, a small training and testing center that until recently occupied a former two-story house on the Kennesaw State University campus. Until last year, the Ccnter was responsible for programming every voting machine across the state, raising concerns that if the Russians or other adversaries had been able to penetrate the center’s servers as Lamb had done, they might have been able to find a way to subvert software distributed by the center to voting machines across the state.

But Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, who was the only state election official to refuse security assistance from the Department of Homeland Security prior to the election, has insisted for more than a year that his state’s voting systems were never at risk in the 2016 election, because DHS told him the Russians had not targeted Georgia.

This changed on Friday, however, when the Justice Department unsealed the indictment against 12 Russian intelligence officers who oversaw an operation that, the department says, included targeting county websites in Georgia."


                Comey, it's possible that Russia has leverage over Trump                     

                Started by metmike - May 10, 2019, 9:15 p.m.            


James Comey: It's possible Russia has leverage over ...

"Former FBI Director James Comey defends remarks he made about unverified allegations contained in the Steele dossier and tells CNN's Anderson Cooper that it's possible Russians have leverage over President Donald"


                What if Trump really is working for Russia? What then?           

                Started by mojo - Jan. 19, 2019, 7:46 a.m.            


According to reports last weekend, the FBI first began to suspect Trump was working for Russia when he fired FBI Director James Comey in May of 2017. “Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security,” The New York Times reported. “Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.”


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                      By metmike - Sept. 1, 2018, 10:41 a.m.                        

"Your post is  long on opinion, but you do offer a couple of facts."  " I'm not convinced of a vast conspiracy, with secret meetings to discuss strategies"


Actually, I gave you the quintessential  example of a deep state secret meeting between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch in June 2016 to discuss the arrangements of the deal which to overlook all of the criminal evidence in the investigation resulting in no that Hillary could be the next president. 

If not for the whistle blower contacting the Phoenix tv station anonymously(so they could be out there to witness it) we would have never we never know about all the other secret meetings.

Unless you believe that they really stumbled on to each other and talked about grandkids and Bills golf game that never happened. 

Suddenly, James Comey became the spokesperson(and was trained by Lynch on what to say)  instead of Lorreta Lynch after she got busted with her deep state arrangement.

I can't offer you a better and more clear example of the deep state,  so if you don't want to believe it happened then I just can't do a better job explaining and showing you. 

After Clinton-Lynch Tarmac Meeting, FBI Scrambled to Find and Punish Source, Newly Released Emails Show

If the meeting was a chance crossing of paths as Lynch insisted, how did the person(whistle blower) that contacted the Phoenix tv station know that  there would be a chance crossing of paths between Lynch and Clinton well before it occurred?

Answer: They couldn't have because it had been planned. Since it was a secret meeting with no notes or recordings taken(intentionally) and was lied about, with absolute certainty and just happened to be near the end of the justice departments investigation of Hillary and the Clintons and just happened before Lynn stepped down and Comey up and Comey announced no charges would be filed....................what do you think they discussed?

Anybody that pretends to not know is displaying blatant bias or is very naive.

The news media falls under the category of being blatantly biased by accepting Loretta Lynch's lame explanation..........then going on.  

Another important item to note: The Deep State" is not just people currently employed by the government. There are some very powerful people who dial in their input. Bill Clinton, was shown here to be playing a key role in the Deep States arrangement discussed at this secret meeting. Both Clintons, being part of the recent deep state have been protected from accountability for crimes(Clinton Foundation).

I prefer to spend my time here as moderator, trying to develop non political discussions. However, in this case, Carl has asked a couple of times for others to explain the deep state and had not received a substantive response(probably because most people don't really understand it) here it is.

 I am always happy to provide insight!


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                By metmike - Sept. 1, 2018, 5:49 p.m.            


"I've experienced too many coincidences in my life to believe opinion as fact."

So let's just look at rock solid facts carl. Nothing with opinion below. 

1. Bill Clinton met with Loretta Lynch for 30 minutes inside of her plane according to Christopher Sign from ABC15 Phoenix who was there to witness the meeting.

2. Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton claimed that it was a chance encounter after her plane arrived and before his left.  

3. Bill Clinton's plane had been scheduled to take off before her's landed but he intentionally held up his private plane's take off and got out after hers arrived.

4. This is the indisputable evidence that it was planned. The local ABC news crew was there to witness the meeting because a whistle blower had contacted the reporter well ahead of time to tell him that there was going to be a meeting between Lynch and Clinton. Mr. Sign, then met with management at ABC15 and got authorization to cover the meeting. They were there because of the tip from a source that wanted them busted. This fact, is what clearly proves with 100% certainty,  that it could not have been a coincidence. 

5. Lynch and Clinton both had explanations for exactly what happened, some of it contradicting but the one which was clearly not the truth was, Lynch stated Bill discussed his golf game that he played there.  It was easy enough to check and Clinton did no golfing during his brief stay.................and this was Phoenix in June. The temperatures by mid morning were already over 100. A 70 year old man would not be golfing in the hottest place in the country at the hottest time of year.........and he didn't. 

6. There was a huge investigation at the time into Hillary Clinton, who was running for president. The investigation was reaching the concluding stages. Loretta Lynch was the head of the justice department(attorney general). Bill Clinton, ex president and husband of Hillary. Both claimed that for 30 minutes they did not talk about anything related to the investigation. 

Nothing but facts Carl..............and one of them is that they lied about the meeting being planned.......which busts the theory of coincidence. There were other lies, including the golf game. 

Did they talk about the investigation?

Now that would be opinion.  I guess that you think tha they didn't.


June 2016:  Loretta Lynch-Bill Clinton meeting.

November 21, 2022 metmike:  Lynch and the DOJ were getting extreme heat for this meeting that they obviously lied about, which is when Comey took over. The extreme heat continued from the right. With only a short time before the election, all polls and sources indicated that Clinton had the election "in the bag", I strongly believe that Mr. Impulsive, with a history of bad decisions suddenly thought it would be a great idea to make the announcement about Clinton because, in his mind it  would strategically  neutralize the  accusations of bias protecting her(which were true and why he needed to do it) and at the same time, she was too far ahead for it to damage her. He wanted his cake and to eat it too. He lost his cake and didn't get anything at all to eat from either side. This guy had 0 credibility and was very dishonest and unethical(he leaked information in violation of DOJ protocol) and told people he leaked it because he's so arrogant that he thought they would understand the almighty St. Comey's reasoning.

The stuff here on that release event was at the OLD forum and is gone forever.  This one started in late 2017?


Washington Post Columnist Declares ‘Fox News Has Been Right All Along’

"For more than two years, people in the “mainstream media” have relentlessly hammered President Trump and his allies with accusations of colluding with Russia during the 2016 election, which Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton was supposed to win in a landslide.

But once a letter from Attorney General Bill Barr revealed that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation found no evidence of this criminal conspiracy, reporters, editors and others at liberal news outlets should be forced to state that they were wrong on this issue even though it's safe to say many won't give up the ghost.

That was the thrust of an op-ed from Washington Post contributing columnist and former Hillsboro, Ohio newspaper editor Gary Abernathy with the title “Admit It: Fox News Has been Right All Along.”

However, Abernathy continued, “Fox News was right, and the others were wrong. For at least two years, MSNBC and CNN devoted hour upon hour, day after day, to promoting the narrative that Trump colluded with the Russians, and that Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III was going ...


                By metmike - Sept. 4, 2018, 4:25 p.m.                      


Of course there are numerous people in politics that switch their alliance and their previous parties consider them traitors or change their view..........but this is different.

I don't follow half this stuff but maybe you can find me a democrat, that was attacked and vilified for decades by the Republicans, that suddenly came out against Obama and tried to stop Obama's agenda because of his personal feelings and then became a hero for the Republicans............even while that person continued as a democrat?

Or somebody like Comey, that went from hero to goat to hero in less than a year, while still being the same guy?

One good thing about Comey, is that he really let the cat out of the bag with his big mouth and actions(not intentionally), giving us a great glimpse into how the deep state and intelligence community puts their fingers on the scale to influence outcomes based on agenda. 

Admitting that he leaked out confidential information illegally to the press to have a powerful influence on the media coverage and that he was told by Loretta Lynch to not call the investigation into Hillary Clinton an investigation but "a matter". Lots of things like that which must have made the intelligence community cringe. 


Comey leaked memos to prompt special counsel

by Katie Bo Williams - 06/08/17 11:46 AM ET


By metmike - Nov. 21, 2022, 1:02 a.m.
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Jill Stein was acting on behalf of Clinton to ask for recounts and questioning the integrity of the election results.

Jill Stein Discusses Recount Efforts Her Campaign Has Undertaken   

STEIN: Yes, I would have because the security experts and researchers have told us for quite some time that we have a voting system which is essentially an invitation to tampering, to hacking and to human error.

STEIN: In my view, this is not likely at all to change the outcome, and that's what the computer and voting security experts say as well. They are not expecting the outcome to change here. But it's the voters who benefit by standing up and saying we deserve a voting system that is secure in which we know our votes are being counted and our votes are being respected.

STEIN: I think it's hardly been a peaceful transition process. You know, people are out in the streets. And it was hardly a peaceful election. I think it's a symptom of a political system under meltdown.