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Started by cutworm - Jan. 14, 2023, 7:45 a.m.

Talking about Peace negotiations

Russian Diplomat Sets Out Key Condition for Talks with Ukraine (

"If and when those contacts [with Ukraine] are resumed, they will most likely be direct as well. And it would be the best option as experience has proven that Western mediators often pursue their own objectives and try to influence the talks, acting not for settlement of the conflict, but in their own political and economic interests," Polishchuk said when asked whether Moscow was willing to hold talks with Kyiv about ending the war.

The diplomat accused Kyiv of being "a tool in the hands of the West, primarily the U.S.," adding that he believed that it would be difficult to reach a diplomatic settlement in the near future.

"In fact, Russia is not against Ukraine, but rather opposes the NATO-Ukrainian military-industrial conglomerate, in which Ukrainians are a tool being used to fight Russia, while NATO and its members work in the background by supplying weapons and intelligence," he said.

By metmike - Jan. 14, 2023, 10:42 a.m.
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Thanks much cutworm!

Your article tells us what's going on.

It's so sad to see the world completely bamboozled by political agenda by these people.

Climate science was hijacked in the 1980's and they even rewrote climate history to eliminate the Medieval WARM Period 1,000 years ago (that was this warm). I've documented that 100 times here.

Scientists like me have been vilified as "deniers" for showing authentic climate science based on empirical data/observations and physical laws.

They've been extremely successful with attempts to push weather and climate propaganda for over 3 decades, along with bad predictions from very busted, too warm climate models that never get adjusted down to reality because they aren't based on science. They're purely political tools designed to accomplish the political agenda of the Climate Accord which has nothing to do with climate.

China, for instance, now emits more than double the CO2 of the US and is ramping up/building MORE coal plants but the Accord allows them to continue to increase to the year 2030.

Climate change and fossil fuels are NOT killing more people, it's the 100% complete opposite! Life on this greening planet is having a climate OPTIMUM!

                US Climate Is Getting Less Extreme, Not More            

                            Started by metmike - Jan. 13, 2023, 12:37 p.m.            

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Some of the propaganda about Ukraine is using the same playbook from the same people to control the mindset of the world for their political agenda, just as stated in your article.

Look at all the victims in Ukraine that DIDN'T NEED TO DIE if not for their agenda. Had Ukraine just agreed to NOT join NATO, the war very likely would never have happened.

I'm no Putin fan. None of this vindicates him or justifies HIS war to keep Ukraine out of NATO.

I'm just an objective, independent scientist applying the scientific method based entirely on empirical data/evidence and THE TRUTH.

By 12345 - Jan. 14, 2023, 2:11 p.m.
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By metmike - Jan. 14, 2023, 2:27 p.m.
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Previous threads on this:   

Sometimes, ignorance is bliss because knowing that all this stuff is happening and being powerless to stop the corruption and watching your own country, your own tax dollars providing the main support for extremely frustrating.

I long ago acknowledged that they WON the fake climate crisis war and the disasters of fake green, anti environmental energy will just have to play out and there's nothing I can do except show people the truth and be content that I spoke up and did my best and appreciate the blessings of sources in this age that allow people like me to become educated and to share what we know with others...........and give THEM opportunities to partake in the tree of internet knowledge that they didn't know they had.

You will note that I always include links to almost all data sources. The main reason is so that people can use those sources themselves...........forever. They don't need me. They just need an inquisitive (open) mind, critical thinking and the sources.

By bear - Jan. 15, 2023, 9:24 p.m.
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sorry, but i will disagree somewhat.  from all i've read, ukraine wanted to join nato, and nato said NO,...  because ukraine is too corrupt.  russia decided to invade anyway.  i think that russia's argument is just a nonsense distraction.  they wanted to invade ukraine anyway.  russia wants a larger land bridge to crimea.  and they are mad that they lost so much territory over the last 30 years.  (a warm water port is very important for russia to maintain its image of being a military superpower).  

one side effect is that scandinavian nations now will push harder to join nato.  so russia has done itself some harm here in terms of foreign affairs.  

ukraine never attacked russia.  and russia is just bombing civilian areas.  so more and more people worldwide (and in the west)  will hate russia.  more on this later.

this does Not mean i want to give more support to ukraine.  i worry it will evolve into WW3, if we get too heavily involved.  

i think the best outcome is if we give a bit Less support, and let it drag on like the soviet/afghan war.  after 8 years russia would get tired of it and probably pull out.  and hopefully it would Not get larger.

By metmike - Jan. 16, 2023, 12:34 a.m.
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Thanks bear!

We agree that there was never an iota of justification for Putin to invade Ukraine, completely unprovoked.

It's absurd for them to do this over their concern related to NATO and future implications for Russia. Putin is extremely evil. 

However, sometimes, when evil is a world power that has massive control over the energy and food  supply, with a very powerful military and has the biggest arsenal of nuclear weapons on the have to pick the lesser of 2 evils.

As much as we want the world to be fair for just isn't.

In picking between the 2 evils,

1. Having Ukraine and NATO agree to NOT making Ukraine part of NATO as Puntin unfairly demanded and likely avoiding this war or

2. Telling Putin to shove it and have Zelensky constantly making pleas to getting fast tracked into NATO because they should have that right......and  causing Russia/Putin to follow thru with his threats. With war being the result of standing up for that principle.

Most sane people would have picked choice #1 above.

A huge problem is that most people don't realize how easy it would have been to avoid the war and making the wrong choice has led to consequences 1 million times worse for Ukrainians and the rest of the world.

The US is doing things to sustain the war and fight for Ukraines right to join NATO but look at the off the charts price everybody is paying. 

 I get the principle involved and that Russia is dead wrong here but Ukraines right to join NATO is not worth obliterating Ukaine and its people. Zelensky obviously thinks so and pretends to care about his people. 

Caving in to Russia, mainly meant letting him have something worth much, much, much less than what he's been taking and keeps taking. 

How many lives is the US saving with its current position to help Ukraine to sustain the war?

Just the opposite. The US is helping to cause the losses to continue. Negotiating to an agreement is the only way to stop this.

The US says that it's Zelensky's choice. 

So we don't know any better? We can't insist on negotiations to stop this?

Instead, just provide Zelensky will more military stuff with no end in sight to the war and more obliterating of Ukraine and keep the propaganda to mislead people into thinking it's Putin's refusal to negotiate not Zelensky's which is causing this. 

By metmike - Jan. 16, 2023, 7:42 p.m.
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Ukraine’s Dnipro reels as Russia, Belarus hold military drills

One of the war’s deadliest attacks rocks the central Ukrainian city as Russia denies responsibility.

The toll from a devastating missile strike in Dnipro has risen as more bodies are pulled from the debris of one of the deadliest attacks since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine began 11 months ago.

In another sign the war is having effects far beyond Ukraine, German Defence Minister Christine Lambrecht resigned on Monday after months of criticism over Berlin’s stuttering response to the war in Ukraine.

Ukraine strike deaths hit 40; Russia seen preparing long war

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres strongly condemned the Dnipro strike, saying “attacks against civilians and civilian infrastructure violate international humanitarian law” and “must end immediately,” U.N. associate spokesperson Stephanie Tremblay said Monday.


This is laughable. Because some UN or NATO person says this........we are to think it will carry some sort of weight? This is nothing but more misleading,  grandstanding with propaganda. If they really wanted the war to never start or too end, even after all this damage......they would have Ukraine agree to not join NATO or at least negotiate. 

Instead, they've done the 100% opposite. Elevated Zelensky to a global hero, make him "man of the Year" and give him positive reinforcement as well as billions of dollars and military equipment so he WON"T NEGOTIATE with evil Russia/Putin.

 Keep sacrificing the lives of Ukrainians for the cause. Getting their country obliterated because losing these things that mean 1 millions times more to peoples actual lives is not as important as defeating Russia or Ukraine getting to join NATO.

This isn't the way to fight evil. You don't give evil the opportunity to obliterate innocent people and a country so you can vilify evil. 

That's the game plan by the gatekeepers. They want Putin to do this because it shows how evil he is. Making a small concession to him, regarding Ukraine NOT joining NATO would have had the world not appreciating how evil Putin is.

The ethical response is that you try to CONTROL evil when its a super power evil. Sometimes that means not taunting it and daring it or challenging it and in this case, they knew this would happen, know its happening and know how to stop this is completely intentional by the West/NATO/UN in order to try to take out Putin. 

And get the victims to blame only Putin and think that you are in their corner when you are tricking and using them as dispensable pawns in your diabolical scheme to get Putin. 

By metmike - Jan. 16, 2023, 8:03 p.m.
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High-level US delegation met with top Ukrainian officials in Kyiv

A high-level United States delegation met Monday in Kyiv with top Ukrainian officials "to reaffirm the United States’ strong and steadfast commitment to Ukraine and its defense against Russia’s unprovoked aggression," according to a State Department readout.

Lithuanian foreign minister: The only way to end the war is by sending more weapons to Ukraine


This people are pathetic.

Nobody suggests negotiating because they never wanted to negotiate and still clearly don't want that.

They don't want to make small concessions to Putin that would have avoided all of this and could end it now......  because they want to take him out.

The position now is "the only way to end the war is to continue the war"

How many more innocent people have to die before enough is enough? We really think that Putin, after all this is one day going to suddenly wave a white flag and say "you guys win!"

And that all we need to do is ship more weapons to Ukraine for that to happen?

And Putin is this evil and crazy and somehow, won't resort to his most powerful weapon, nuclear weapons?

What.........he might worry that the world will chastise him for using nuclear weapons?

If he cared about that, we wouldn't have this war. If the world ramps up the arms to Ukraine and starts hurting Russia badly(Russia is still winning, by the way, despite the propaganda) that will be the ideal environment for Putin to use Nuclear weapons.

Yet, Ukraine is NOT negotiating with Russia in the story above for the best chance to end the war, with the least amount of additional death/damage......... it's negotiating with the US.........on how to continue the war.

I strongly object to our tax dollars funding this insanity.

These people are delusional.

Their plans for winning the war are the exact  recipe for causing Putin to use nuclear weapons.  They must want that too because how could they possibly not know this if they understand Putin and strategical warfare?

On what planet will Putin stop attacking Ukraine, using the current strategy? Even if Ukraine wins lots of battles and pushes Russia out of certain territories?

That would just be the recipe for Putin to keep attacking from different vantage points and for using nuclear weapons. People just don't get it and/or the ones that get it are willing to take that the expense of Ukrainians.

The only way an end will come without much more death and destruction will be with negotiations.

Sorry to say it but when you negotiate, BOTH parties have to give up something they don't want to give up.

As repulsive as it is, that means Russia gets something if they are to be substantive negotiations that lead to the end of the war.

The end of the war is 1 million times more important to the world than to giving Russian some things.

By metmike - Jan. 17, 2023, 9:29 a.m.
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Putin has only 1 option left but won't accept it, says Ukraine's foreign minister

On why aid from the U.S. to Ukraine should continue

   Because if Ukraine loses, the world – in which the United States plays such an important role – will begin to fall apart.


So in order to save the world, we have to get all those people killed and displaced in Ukraine and have their country destroyed.

Got it, NPR!  And fossil fuels that are greening up the planet............are killing it with the best weather/climate and beneficial CO2 for life since humans have existed.

Fake climate crisis/Death by GREENING!