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Started by 12345 - Feb. 8, 2023, 8:26 p.m.
By metmike - Feb. 8, 2023, 9:28 p.m.
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I love you Jean!

Thanks for enlightening us with the authentic news!

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

Pulitzer winner Seymour Hersh claims US Navy behind Nord Stream 2 pipeline explosion

Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh believes US Navy divers laid bombs that destroyed the Nord Stream 2, but the Defense department denies the allegations.
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Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in response to Hersh’s report that Moscow has “repeatedly expressed” its belief that the US and NATO were involved in the explosions. 

Prior to the invasion, President Biden had threatened that the Nord Stream 2 project connecting Russia and Germany would not move forward if an attack took place, causing some to suspect US involvement when the pipelines exploded seven months later.  

Sweden finds traces of explosives near damaged Nord Stream pipeline: ‘Gross sabotage’


“If Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again — then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,” Biden said on Feb. 7, 2022. “We will bring an end to it.” 

While Germany initially resisted canceling the project, it halted the pipeline’s certification two days before the Russian invasion in a last-ditch effort to prevent the war. 

Hersh’s report suggested Biden ordered the explosions to stop Russian President Vladimir Putin from “weaponiz[ing] natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions,” as Germany — and the rest of Europe — relied heavily on Russia for natural gas.  

Without the pipelines, Europe would be forced to end its reliance on Moscow, starving Russia of billions of dollars that could have been contributed to its war effort, the report alleged.

By metmike - Feb. 8, 2023, 10:24 p.m.
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Seymour Myron "Sy" Hersh (born April 8, 1937) is an American investigative journalist,  and political writer.[6]

Awards, honors and associations

His journalism and publishing awards include the 1970 Pulitzer Prize, the 2004 National Council of Teachers of English George Orwell Award for Distinguished Contribution to Honesty and Clarity in Public Language,[87] two National Magazine Awards, five George Polk Awards - making him that award's most honored laureate - and more than a dozen other prizes for investigative reporting:


Hersh's story's/reports in recently years,  often draw harsh criticism from reporters, academics, media commentators and politicians, mainly from the left.

As one of the best investigative reporters in history, when your investigations expose corruption and/or deception, it isn't well received by those who are exposed or had already decided what to believe.

By metmike - Feb. 8, 2023, 11:01 p.m.
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Shock and Awe: Who Attacked the Nord Stream Pipelines?


The scale of the operation—the multiple sites and amount of explosives involved—suggests the involvement of a state

Explosion tears through Russian gas pipeline during repairs

December 20, 2022


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Nord Stream Attack: Senator Raises Alarms About Alleged U.S. Involvement

Republican Senator Mike Lee of Utah postedon Twitter on Wednesday afternoon that if the allegations are true, he and many of his colleagues were unaware of the plan.

"I'm troubled that I can't immediately rule out the suggestion that the U.S. blew up Nord Stream," Lee tweeted. "I checked with a bunch of Senate colleagues. Among those I've asked, none were ever briefed on this. If it turns out to be true, we've got a huge problem."


Hugh??? Why would a secretive CIA operation, that by definition is only carried out because nobody that can stop it or object to it or testify to it happening is informed so that this atrocity can't be tracked to the perpetrators.

He thinks they should have consulted with Congress first? Or informed them?

Like, "Hey Senator Lee and others in Congress, we're going to commit a heinous war crime and we wanted to give you a heads up before we do it"

1. There's almost no way that Russia would sabotage itself.

2. It likely had to be powerful state that sponsored such a sophisticated operation.

3. A guy with a reputation for authentic, award winning investigative journalism claims to have anonymous sources and gives extremely credible details about how the operation took place.

4. Whoever did this will NEVER admit to it under any circumstances. And they discussed the operation plans to do it with only a select, tiny  number of people key to pulling it off.  All the individual sources accused of doing it, deny doing it. All of them are telling the truth......except the one(s) that actually did it are lying. 

5.  It's extremely unlikely that the ones lying about doing it will suddenly come forward. This is probably the best we'll ever get unless a whistle blower, risks their job, credibility,  life and potential criminal charges comes forward. 

6. What countries were sending verbal cues that suggests their political agenda would greatly benefit from doing this?

7. What country, by an extremely, off the charts wide margin has the most developed military sophistication and long history of secretive operations that violate ethical standards to accomplish political matter the monumental damages to innocent people?

8. It wasn't aliens from outer space (-:

By 12345 - Feb. 9, 2023, 8:47 p.m.
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By 12345 - Feb. 10, 2023, 6:34 a.m.
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Retired Navy SEAL reacts to Nord Stream pipeline mystery

By metmike - Feb. 10, 2023, 12:45 p.m.
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Thanks Jean,

At the end he made it clear where his mindset is.

After telling us why the US always gets blamed for everything and why we didn't do it this time and why other nations were at least as likely, he said " If the United States did it, they had good reason to do it because we should support Ukraine any way that we can"

By 12345 - Feb. 10, 2023, 12:57 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 10, 2023, 7:07 p.m.
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Me too Jean.

Putin is to blame for this but much smarter more compassionate  decisions should have been made to avoid all the innocent victims being intentionally used against Putin.

NATO is clearly exploiting the killing by Putin to advance it's cause. The more Ukrainian deaths, the worse it makes him look and the greater the need to remove him, which is their objective. Them offering up many thousands of victims in Ukraine for the cause of vilifying and destroying Putin is morally  reprehensible.

Some no brainer negotiating to save all those lives could have been done but they chose this path. 

We shouldn't let the convincing propaganda mislead us. This war was absolutely preventable but it would have required Ukraine agreeing to NOT join NATO and possibly a few other concessions that were a million times less catastrophic to the people living in Ukraine.

They intentionally chose the war, with dangerous psychopath Zelensky leading the charge to get his country decimated. 

CIA warned Berlin about possible attacks on gas pipelines in summer - Spiegel

Video of Biden Saying He'd 'End' Nord Stream Resurfaces After Pipeline Leak

On 9/28/22 at 7:31 AM EDT

Biden says the Nord Stream 2 pipeline won't move ahead if Russia invades Ukraine


"If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2," Biden said. "We will bring an end to it."  

Asked how the U.S. would ensure that, Biden did not offer specifics: "I promise you: We will be able to do it." It's a point Biden administration officials have stressed in recent weeks.

By 12345 - Feb. 15, 2023, 4:31 p.m.
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Reporter Seymour Hersh on "How America Took Out the Nord Stream Pipeline": Exclusive TV Interview

By metmike - Feb. 15, 2023, 5:38 p.m.
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This guy is extremely credible.

interesting comment by him.

”the war is pretty much over, it all just depends on how many more of his own people that Zelensky wants to kill”

By metmike - Feb. 15, 2023, 6:59 p.m.
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1. After the explosion, the US immediately coming out with propaganda that Russia sabotaged their own pipe was so far fetched that it actually suggests a guilty party,.....the US! creating an absurd false narrative so THEY wouldn't be suspected.

2. The same people screaming about a climate crisis destroying the planet because of greenhouse gases just caused the biggest release of methane gas into the atmosphere at one time  in history........INTENTIONALLY!.

 Methane is 80 times more powerful as CO2 in trapping heat.

3. So who did this? Why is the media not covering it? It put all of Europe at risk to extreme cold and CAUSED  with certainty, consumers to pay tens of millions more in energy costs since then. More money for NG exporters but I doubt that was a factor.  

3. This guy is exactly right about another thing too. The divisiveness in our country. If you're on the right, you only go to sources that tell you things that you want to hear/read and believe in. On the left, only echo chambers from the left. There's very, very few of us left that see things objectively.

Only people on the right will believe this story about the US blowing up the pipeline.

 People on the left believe all the propaganda about Ukraine. They believe that the extremely dangerous psychopath, Zelenky, who's getting all his people killed and country decimated for the personal fame and glory  that NATO bestowed on him so they could use him as their actually some kind of hero......even as Russia, as was always going to about to win the war.

And the media completely buys into it, being very complicit in selling a war that's obliterating Ukraine as an ethical thing because Putin invaded Ukraine(completely ignoring the options by Zelensky/NATO/US that would have prevented it.

Why is nobody in the media discussing the truth about this???

By 12345 - Feb. 20, 2023, 5:17 p.m.
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Probe Reveals Shocking Details About Nord Stream Pipeline Explosion

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By metmike - Feb. 22, 2023, 8:44 a.m.
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The country or countries that di this are mega, fake climate crisis advocates. It caused the biggest release of methane at 1 time in history (methane is 80 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than CO2)which  makes this, not just a terrorist crime against Europe and Russia but a massive intentional environmental crime against the planet.

methane, unlike CO2 is NOT a beneficial gas or a key building block for life and is NOT greening up the planet.

they know the US did it and why……to accomplish political agenda/for self serving means to hurt Russia.

so it’s ok!

By metmike - Feb. 22, 2023, 9:19 a.m.
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Funny how the fake climate crisis goal posts are constantly changing.

when europe was having the energy crisis because wind and solar were greatly  underperforming, they changed the status of natural gas to GREEN energy because it’s better than coal so that they can now use that fossil fuel and still pretend that they are saving the planet.

By metmike - Feb. 23, 2023, 12:22 p.m.
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U.S. LNG Rescued Energy-Starved Europe, but ‘Real Test’ Forecast Next Winter

We blew up the Nordstream pipeline..........then sold them extra gas/made them more dependent on US LNG at a higher price for us because of that terrorist  act taking natural gas off the market.

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By metmike - Feb. 27, 2023, 10:09 a.m.
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The pipeline was blown up using extremely advanced technology that could only  have come from a handful of country’s, the most obvious was the US.

it Also released a record amount of methane, 80 times more powerful than CO2 as a greenhouse gas Without the benefits of CO2.

this extreme act of state sponsored global and environmental terrorism, blowing up Europes  vital source for residential heating ahead of Winter. Is unprecedented.

initially, they are so crazy dishonest that they tried to convince us that Russia blew up its own,pipeline.

then we have one of the best, award winning investigation reporters in history come out with extremely credible explanations for how the US did this based on a source That could never come forward because his career would be over and maybe his life.

to assume that the reporter would just lie and concoct all this is absurd.

there seems to be a 99.9% likelihood that the US committed this Heinous crime And that Biden, who insisted he would stop the pipeline, ordered it.

however, extreme crimes committed by NATO countries are ok. Getting people killed and countries obliterated in wars for NATO causes are ok.

NATO countries and The US are,proving just how diabolical they are here And their press are complicit accomplices assisting with the blatant propaganda, killing all the Ukrainians and getting the country decimated for NATO’s cause and to have a NATO war with Russia. 

By metmike - March 1, 2023, 8:38 a.m.
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The USA blowing up the pipeline has to be near the top for  dumbest foreign policy decisions in history.

the CIA has had thousands of covert operations, some featuring a conniving mindset with unethical actions to accomplish their political agenda.

however, almost none of them were a blatant terrorist act of war against a global super power That will inspire retaliation by the target in order to seek justice.

The wars in Vietnam and Iraq were really dumb and unjustified but We did it because neither of those countries could hurt us. Many heinous crimes committed by the US, like spraying Agent Orange to destroy the jungles and food crops for a decade.

but there would be minimal retaliation From the targets/victims/country.

the propaganda will have you believe that Russia is really no threat To the powerful USA on the other side of the planet. But the same propaganda wants you to think that after Putin takess over Ukraine, he’s coming after other countries To defend against a perceived threat from NATO.

we can See how extreme he will get to defend against NATO when Ukraine did not attack him.

what in tarnation would make any clear thinking, high level operative believe he would not be likely to retaliate against a direct attack on his country???

because he’s afraid of the US and NATO?

like that means he will not respond in kind to their attacks on his country?

this isn’t defending Ukraine stuff. We blew up a Russian pipeline which also was a war crime against Germany.

russia is evil and  is dead wrong in attacking Ukraine but we just gave them a completely justified reason to retaliate directly against the US in response to our offensive war crime attack directly on Russia.

the risk to reward or potential damage to us compared to reward ratio is off the charts retarded.

people making decisions like this are loose cannons that have atrociously bad judgement Which will Take us to WW3.

the media is giving the US a free pass on this but there is no reason to think that Russia is doing the same.

the cover up includes not telling you about what russia might do to retaliate if the UN and others don’t do a fair investigation. That will include attacks on the US by Russia  that would never have happened without us taking out the pipeline.

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By metmike - March 15, 2023, 3:02 p.m.
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Great points in this interview, Jean.

And the NYT is completely covering up the story about the US doing it and instead, carrying an impossible story about a non US source doing it.

Their non critically thinking, biased reporters couldn't even do a basic fact check that totally busts this speculative claim.

SCOTT RITTER: The Nord Stream-Andromeda Cover Up

March 14, 2023

U.S. intelligence was too quick to leak information about the German investigation to The New York Times. It raises the distinct impression that the real culprit is nervous about the investigative work of Seymour Hersh.

The problem with both the German reporting and that of The New York Times (whose source was clearly referring to the same data reported by the German reporters) is that the Andromeda narrative doesn’t hold water.

Take, for instance, the Tom Clancy-like tale of derring-do that has four allegedly Ukraine-affiliated divers defy physiology by conducting dives that would require the use of a decompression chamber for them to survive an ascent of 240 feet (the depth of the Nord Stream pipelines that were destroyed). A rule of thumb is that decompression takes approximately one day per 100 feet of seawater plus a day.

This means that the team of divers would have required three days of decompression per dive. But to decompress, one needs a decompression chamber. For a dive involving two divers, the Andromeda would have to have been outfitted with either a two-person Class A decompression chamber, or two single-person Class B chambers, as well as the number of large oxygen bottles needed to operate these chambers over time. \

A simple examination of the interior cabin space of the Bavarian C50 yacht would quickly dispossess one of any notion that either option was viable.

Simply put — no decompression chamber, no dive, no story.


These divers were not super humans defying the laws of human physiology and they certainly didn't give their lives up for the mission.

Diving chamber

Decompression practice

By 12345 - March 15, 2023, 5:13 p.m.
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