Biden's WW-3 already started
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Started by metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 11:59 a.m.

This could have been prevented if NATO/US would have not hijacked Zelensky/Ukraine for it's proxy war with Russia.

Killing it's people, decimating the country of Ukraine to defeat Russia with their escalating proxy war and  because they want Ukraine in NATO.

Biden visits Zelensky in Kyiv and says Putin 'dead wrong' on Ukraine war

Biden says ‘Kyiv stands strong’ a year after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine


Telling us this propaganda to support the war:

Vladimir Putin will target these countries next if he wins Ukraine war, according to Kremlin critic

Complete bunk/propaganda!

Those  other countries are already part of NATO. His attack on Ukraine is all about preventing them from becoming part of NATO.

If he attacked a NATO country, NATO would declare formal war (not just the proxy war, pretending it really isn't a war, bs in Ukraine).

He isn't an idiot. He knows he can win in Ukraine and all the legit evidence tells us he WILL win.   He would lose a war against NATO badly. This is exactly why he's trying to get Ukraine before NATO does. Exactly!

NATO already has those countries and it's too late for him to do anything about it.

Please stop believing this hogwash about him coming for Poland and all the other countries next, so we need to stop him here.

Two maps show NATO’s growth — and Russia’s isolation — since 1990

Europe in 1990

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, the Russia-dominated Soviet Union included Ukraine, the Baltic states and several other now-independent countries. The Warsaw Pact, an alliance also dominated by Russia, included six satellite countries that are all now independent as well.

In 1990, the year after the Berlin Wall fell, Russia dominated the Soviet Union and six allied Warsaw Pact countries.

Europe in 2022

Over the last 32 years, Germany has reunified and all the former Warsaw Pact countries have joined NATO. Three countries that were once part of the Soviet Union — Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — have joined NATO as well.

As of 2022, NATO has expanded to let in three former Soviet states and all of the former Warsaw Pact countries.

The US and Canada are also NATO members.

Putin is fighting NATO for Ukraine right now. Not possibly or theoretically. Ukraine was on a fast track to join NATO. Look who's helping Ukraine right now........NATO! The entire war is all about that. The US is the most powerful part of NATO fighting Russia for Ukraine right now. 

The war would have been avoided if Ukraine agreed to NOT join NATO. That's it, man. I think that Ukraine should have been able to join NATO but when the choice was this, that was inevitable and 1 million times worse than the right to join NATO, only retarded thinking and diabolical political propaganda would justify this choice. 

There was a choice that would have resulted in no Ukraine war but it meant no NATO for Ukraine. People stating otherwise are either lying or repeating a lie they read and believe from propaganda..........which is almost everything we read in the US.

Again, Putin is an evil guy and this was unjustified. But we COMPLETELY understood his thinking and intentionally choose to go to war with him over Ukraine because NATO wanted this PREVENTABLE war. 

By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 12:23 p.m.
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Try to imagine the history books, 50 years from now, describing how WW3 started. 


It's continued to bring China together with Russia as the war escalates, both sides insist they will fight the battle until they win and nobody negotiates.

This is the absolute recipe for continued escalation. The idiotic NATO/UN claim they are "isolating" Putin........even committing a war crime against Europe with a state sponsored terrorist act of blowing up the Nordstream 2 pipeline last year to try to do it.

But what they have done is cause a strengthening alliance between Russia, China, the Middle East and other countries where fossil fuels are king. An alliance that will support Russia until they win the war.

China is no longer being secretive about it and even as this turns into the most dangerous situation the world has ever known, Biden is adding more and more fuel to the flames.

 Make no mistake that after Putin and Zelensky, President Biden is the 3rd most dangerous man in the world right now. Without him, there could be no WW-3...........which has already started.

As Biden visits Ukraine, China’s top diplomat goes to Russia

Why China’s stand on Russia and Ukraine is raising concerns


Raising concerns was months ago!!. The alarm bells are sounding and red lights flashing.Wake up media, Americans and world.... WW-3 has started and nobody is talking negotiations. It's just pure war propaganda to get us to support the battle until it's won coming from......BOTH SIDES.

China hits back at U.S. allegations it is providing Russia help in its war in Ukraine

China may be providing nonlethal military assistance, U.S. officials familiar with the matter say, and the administration worries China is considering sending lethal aid.

A year after Ukraine invasion, Russia's reliance on China deepens

Ukraine war: What support is China giving Russia?

By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 12:43 p.m.
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The response for the last year by the MSM and government is to continually sell us on fake news that we are winning and our strategies are working.

Sanctions on Russian oil are having the ‘intended effect,’ IEA says

China, India and Turkey in particular have ramped up purchases to partially offset a fall in Russian crude exports to Europe of 400,000 barrels a day in January.


The one good thing about this is the fact that it's caused Biden to change his tune about fossil fuels. In his address last January, we should note that he stated we will need fossil fuels for the next decade and beyond and is authorizing new drilling for oil in Alaska.

The media is not telling us that.

Not only is the fake green energy greatly under performing catastrophically compared to promises and being exposed.......but energy independance makes us stronger against Russia/Middle East/adversaries.......besides having nothing but benefits.

He got disrespected and embarrassed on his trip to the Middle East before the 2022 elections, when he begged OPEC to increase oil production to help him out. 

Imagine that. Somebody being elected, campaigning on eliminating fossil fuels not being well liked by the countries that have only 1 product that keeps them from being 3rd world/destitute..........fossil fuels and he is the leader of the most powerful country in the world that wants to take that away from them.

That helped with the wake up call.

But the Middle East is solidly on Russia's side because of this.

This means that the side Biden is fighting, will have an overabundance of cheap, reliable and power packed fossil fuels that are the life blood of every developed countries economy. That fuel their military equipment. 

We don't hear that part of it.

Fossil fuels are the Achilles’ heel of warfare. Just ask Russia.

By 12345 - Feb. 21, 2023, 1:10 p.m.
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By 12345 - Feb. 21, 2023, 1:18 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 1:55 p.m.
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Thanks Jean!

DeSantis downplays Russia threat after Biden visit

"The fear of Russia going into NATO countries and all that and steamrolling, you know, that has not even come close to happening," said the Republican governor of Florida, a possible presidential contender.

"Russia tried to freeze Europe by curtailing gas supplies this winter, though the continent has so far managed to get through the season with a combination of planning and luck, POLITICO previously reported."


Right, and the US blowing  up the Nordstream 2 pipeline that supplied natural gas to Europe. a state sponsored terrorist attack was perfectly ok/justified.

By 12345 - Feb. 21, 2023, 2:19 p.m.
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Ukraine's Year Of Pain, Death —And Also Nation-Building

By cutworm - Feb. 21, 2023, 3:46 p.m.
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Kinda makes you wish we had the Trumpian type foreign policies that brought about the Abraham accords.

The Abraham Accords are a series of joint normalization statements initially between Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and Bahrain, effective since September 15, 2020.[1] Mediated by the United States,......Mediated by the United States, the initial announcement of August 13, 2020, concerned only Israel and the United Arab Emirates before the announcement of a follow-up agreement between Israel and Bahrain on September 11, 2020....

Abraham Accords - Wikipedia  

By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 6:12 p.m.
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Thanks cutworm!

Iran boosts military ties with Russia in part to counteract Abraham Accords

Although they preceded the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Abraham Accords were a factor in Iran’s decision to boost its military relationship with Moscow

By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 7:16 p.m.
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Treasury deputy: Russia sanctions are degrading its military


Reality translation: This means the Russians will continue to win the war at a slower pace than without these actions. Taking longer to kill the same amount of Ukrainians(and have Russians killed) and obliterate the country of Ukraine at a slower pace than without the sanctions while forcing them to strengthen ties with India, China, Iran and others.

Great plan and so much better than having peace by giving up on Ukraine becoming a NATO country.

Ukraine MUST have the right to become part of NATO, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die and millions leave the country, hundreds of billions in damage.

Being part of NATO means everything............NOT!

NATO has totally brought this war on the last 3 decades. Don't let the propaganda from the US and NATO fool you!

The Costs and Dangers of NATO Expansion

 With the end of the cold war and the demise of the Soviet threat, NATO must find new rationales for its existence.

 November 1, 1996

Problems with Current U.S. Policy

Key Problems

  •  NATO expansion needlessly provokes Russia.
  •  Expansion promotes divisions in an already divided region.
  •  Expansion halts the demilitarization of East-Central Europe and costs alliance members a great deal of money.


NATO did such a wonderful job in Afghanistan............NOT!  But they will spin a story that states otherwise.

NATO and Afghanistan


NATO is supposed to be about peace but instead, it's been just the opposite in several instances. And extremely costly......many trillions to support the NATO war in Afghanistan and now this one in Ukraine..........and guess what country foots most of the bill? And had thousands of brave soldiers die there? 

If Ukraine was part of NATO, the US would be legally obligated to send our soldiers over there. 

Most US citizens have been perfectly ok if hundreds of thousands of NON US soldiers are dying in a war. NATO, including Biden want Ukraine so that OUR soldiers can give up their lives in a dumb war, because NATO won't give anything to Putin. 

Who really thinks the US/NATO sanctioned war in Afghanistan was worth it to our country?

Other than the military industrial complex making trillions of dollars from it and government/politicians using propaganda to spin.

The same people/groups see profits from this war in Ukraine!

By 12345 - Feb. 21, 2023, 8:11 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 10:16 p.m.
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United States military casualties in the War in Afghanistan

Coalition(mostly NATO) casualties in Afghanistan

The US had far more deaths than all the other countries combined but these were just soldiers and a small fraction of the dead.

Number of foreign soldiers killed in Afghanistan

 USA: 2,461*
 UK: 457
 Canada: 159*
 France: 90
 Germany: 62
 Italy: 53
 Poland: 44[2]
 Denmark: 43
 Australia: 41
 Spain: 35*
 Georgia: 32
 Romania: 27
 Netherlands: 25
 Turkey: 15
 Czech Republic: 14
 New Zealand: 10
 Norway: 10
 Estonia: 9
 Hungary: 7
 Sweden: 5
 Latvia: 4
 Slovakia: 3
 Finland: 2
 Jordan: 2
 Portugal: 2
 South Korea: 2
 Albania: 1
 Belgium: 1

 Bulgaria: 1
 Croatia: 1
 Lithuania: 1
 Montenegro: 1

TOTAL: 3,612



American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.

U.S. contractors: 3,846.

Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

Afghan civilians: 47,245.

Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.

Aid workers: 444.

Journalists: 72.


Estimated amount of direct Afghanistan and Iraq war costs that the United States has debt-financed as of 2020: $2 trillion.

Estimated interest costs by 2050:  Up to $6.5 trillion.


Amount Bilmes estimates the United States has committed to pay in health care, disability, burial and other costs for roughly 4 million Afghanistan and Iraq veterans: more than $2 trillion.

Period those costs will peak: after 2048.


Let's not forget that it will cost at least $500 billion to REBUILD Ukraine(more every day that the war intentionally  drags on). The US will be footing much of that bill!

Cost of war in Afghanistan for US

By metmike - Feb. 21, 2023, 11:01 p.m.
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The total number of people killed in Ukraine in just 1 year in the war is almost as many as the total number killed in Afghantistan in 20 years. 

But that's ok, because Ukrainians are fighting for their freedom and democracy and Putin is trying to take that away we hear/read. And it's ok for people to die, as long as they aren't Americans.

That's just propaganda.  That's not what this is about. What they are fighting for is the right to join NATO. Putin is trying to prevent them from joining NATO!

Zelensky betrayed his people and campaign promise to negotiate peace with Russia as NATO bought him out and hijacked his thinking.

If you're getting tired of reading me state this repeatedly, it's because 98% of what you read is propaganda and lies.

If I don't state the truth won't get it!!!

By 12345 - Feb. 22, 2023, 10:58 p.m.
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By metmike - Feb. 23, 2023, 7:21 a.m.
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If we think the price tag of taxpayer money from the US going to Ukraine so far is high, at 100 billion…..just wait until it’s time to rebuild Ukraine!!

latest estimates exceed 1 trillion dollars. Guess which foreign country will pay the most?

and that would be if the war ended today/unrealistically good situation.

the question is not will it get worse but how much worse and how bad will it get?

the potential downside has no limits. But we continue to be oblivious to what’s really going on, believing the war propaganda and getting more Ukrainians  killed as ithey’re just NATO pawns  being used in a war game strategy.

why is this not extremely obvious?


convincing people that care about ukrainians that killing them and obliterating their country is the best thing for them, not negotiating.

their leader is a corrupt madman doing NATOs bidding  For personal fame and glory after betraying his campaign promise that helped get him elected. Negotiating with  Russia and bringing  peace to Ukraine.

why is nobody telling the truth about this?