Republican Debate 8-23-23
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Started by metmike - Aug. 23, 2023, 4:33 p.m.

6 things to watch for in the first 2024 Republican presidential primary debate


Tucker Carlson teases Trump interview ahead of GOP debate


It would be interesting to read what the history books state about this time frame in 100 years.

1. Trump's ordeal/fake election steal/cult

2. Fake Climate Crisis-destruction of energy delivery-wrecking the planet to save it

3. Killing 500,000 people in Ukraine for nothing

4a. Biden's blatant  corruption-cover up by DOJ-MSM-Dems

4b. Biden's severe cognitive deterioration and loss of basic presidential cerebral qualifications......but still the front runner for president for another 5+ years.

5. Extreme divisiveness

History will not be kind and all those realms are getting worse right now.

Regardless, we are living in a unique time frame of American history that, unlike Hurricane Hilary is very, very unprecedented.

We have no control over this and should view it as a spectator and separate it from our personal lives and relationships, which can be tremendously rewarding using the wonderful tools in the best age of human technology.

By metmike - Aug. 23, 2023, 5:05 p.m.
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RNC confirms the first debate field — without Trump

Miami Mayor Francis Suarez, former Rep. Will Hurd, businessperson Perry Johnson and radio host Larry Elder were left out of the first debate.

The Republican National Committee announced late Monday evening the eight candidates who were officially invited to participate in the first GOP presidential primary debate: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, businessperson Vivek Ramaswamy, former Vice President Mike Pence, former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley, Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson.

By metmike - Aug. 24, 2023, 3:21 p.m.
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I watched most of the debate with my son in law.

To me, this was just another example of  why debates, while important in establishing how people handle themselves can be very misleading. Charlatans with charismatic personalities and well prepared, convincing sounding propaganda and lies can crush the truth.

This exchange between Vivek and Haley on Ukraine was the quintessential example last night:

Nikki Haley Swings at Vivek on Ukraine: ‘No Foreign Policy Experience!’

A fact check, shows that while she destroyed him in that exchange, he was correct.

In that exchange, we see how she's an effective mouthpiece for the dark money that has been funding her the past decade as she parrots the position that has made rich, the only source benefiting from this horrible war.......the frickin, diabolical military industrial complex.

My fact check this morning, confirms why she has this position and her background shows its even worse than suspected from just her rhetoric last night.

She's out for me!

Vivek Ramaswamy: Nikki Haley’s Ukraine Rhetoric Would Put Her on Board of Defense Contracting Companies

“I wish you well in your future career on the board of Lockheed & Raytheon,” Ramaswamy said.

Haley then exclaimed, “I’m not on the boards of Lockheed and Raytheon!”

Breitbart News’s John Binder reported that former United Nations Ambassador Haley raked in more than $256,000 as a member of Boeing’s Board of Directors during her tenure.

Boeing has long been a recipient of corporate welfare and is at the center of the military-industrial complex.

Binder noted:

Boeing is already the second-largest beneficiary of Defense Department contracts. In 2017, Boeing noted that about 79 percent of its profits came from government contracts with the U.S. federal government. Likewise, Boeing saved about $1.1 billion thanks to tax cuts while simultaneously laying off 6,000 American workers in Washington state alone.


Nikki Haley slams foreign lobbyists while accepting funds from them

The 2024 hopeful has raised tens of thousands of dollars from foreign lobbyists.

Nikki Haley launches 2024 presidential campaign after years of raising big money

Nikki Haley Revs Up: ‘We’re in the Money’

By metmike - Aug. 24, 2023, 3:32 p.m.
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I commented on Vivek here:

                Vivek Ramaswamy            

                            Started by metmike - Aug. 13, 2023, 7:40 p.m.    

This guy has some policies that I love (Ukraine disaster/fake climate crisis) but also a vote stopper position, he will pardon Donald Trump and claims that Trump was the greatest president ever (despite what he did after the 2020 election).

Vivek Ramaswamy calls climate change agenda a ‘hoax’ during debate

“More people are dying of bad climate change policies than they are of actual climate change,” he said.

“I’m the only candidate on stage who isn’t bought and paid for, so I can say this — the climate change agenda is a hoax,” he said.


He nails this one better than any politician in our country. He also makes a good point about typical politicians being bought and paid for as shown about Nikki Haley on the previous page.

However, on Vivek's personality, he seems very smug and you get the impression that he's a snake oil salesman. 

I think that his personality would be detrimental for trying to bring our country together and again, if he can't recognize the threat to our democracy that Trump's actions continue to represent right now on August 24, 2023 thru this next election, at the very least,  then his massive blind spot on this is a problem for me.


The fake climate crisis is a far bigger scam because it's global and involves hundreds of trillions of dollars, crony capitalism, political agenda, corrupted/hijacked science and dishonest/misled media and environmentalists.

However, the much more immediate and dangerous threat to the United States of America is the control a deranged, diluted psychopath has over 25 million people in our country, which includes convincing them the 2020 election was stolen. Not to trust elections and to FIGHT for their country which is code to unstable people to justify using  violence against those who oppose him/outsiders.

If you live in Ukraine, for instance, do you really care about the climate crisis???

You just want the war to end ASAP, even though Biden's war with Russia, USING Ukraine has killed 500,000 brave soldiers from both sides that were only doing their patriotic duty (make no mistake, Russian soldiers are human beings too and didn't choose where they were born) and obliterated their country. NOT ONE candidate last night discussed plans on how the US should push harder for peace in Ukraine(other than Vivek's position).

By metmike - Aug. 24, 2023, 5:09 p.m.
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Vivek Ramaswamy Is a Scam

Vivek Ramaswamy comes across as a fast-talking charlatan who is highly skilled at sprinkling Republican voters desperate for the genuine thing with just enough glitter to distract them from the fact that they are merely being given the political equivalent of chickenfeed.

By metmike - Aug. 25, 2023, 9:24 a.m.
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Climate Change Is Still a Huge Electoral Problem for Republicans

With Vivek Ramaswamy still calling it a “hoax,” how can the other GOP candidates gain credibility on an issue Americans care about?

About 20 minutes into Wednesday’s Republican presidential nominee debate, the Fox News anchors turned things over to a college student with a pertinent question. “Polls consistently show that young people’s No. 1 issue is climate change,” said Alexander Diaz, chair of Young Americans for Freedom at the Catholic University of America. “How will you, as both president of the United States and leader of the Republican Party, calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn’t care about climate change?”

It was, honestly, a remarkable moment. Fox News itself has been no slouch in the decades-spanning right-wing mission to downplay the effects of climate change, disputing the near-universal global agreement that human overdependence on fossil fuels is to blame. Yet, just before Diaz’s question, moderators Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum pointed to the historic weather disasters unfolding across the country—Maui’s wildfires, Tropical Storm Hilary, the Florida coast’s “hot tub” ocean temperatures, the record-breaking Southwestern heat waves—and noted their links to human impacts.


I love moments like this.............when I can show PROOF  that the climate CRISIS IS A HOAX using THEIR examples!

THEY are the problem, not the climate. They take natural variation events, like those noted above  this Summer and use them as examples of a climate crisis that doesn’t exist in the real world (except on busted global climate models and manufactured realities).

Climate change contributing +2 deg. F and 7% more moisture to natural variation in a world where most life would prefer it even warmer and wetter than this is NOT a crisis.

The increase of 130 parts per million of  beneficial CO2 that's greening up the planet still only brings us to half of the optimal level for most life!

                Hurricane Hilary 8-18-23            

                            23 responses |       

                Started by metmike - Aug. 18, 2023, 3:04 p.m.   


                Hawaii wildfire at Lahaina (on Maui): CC blamed as a factor             

                            42 responses | 

                Started by WxFollower - Aug. 10, 2023, 11:46 a.m.    

                Part 2, Hawaii wildfire: CC/drought 8-17-23            

                            8 responses |         

                Started by metmike - Aug. 17, 2023, 7:23 a.m.  

                Record warmest water temp......NOT!            

                            27 responses |     

                Started by metmike - July 26, 2023, 12:38 p.m.    


                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 600 dm-500 mb heights 8-23-23-Wow!                     

                            By metmike - Aug. 24, 2023, 2:52 p.m.    

This isn't from the planet "being on fire" because of a climate crisis.

 Probably 2 deg. F of the heat can be blamed on climate change. The rest is from natural variation. Since it's occurring over the huge cornfields of the Midwest, the impact from an increase in CO2 is being muted from evapotranspiration and the massive, 26%  increase in vegetation BECAUSE OF the climate optimum!

The map below shows 850 mb temperatures for the entire northern hemisphere. 

There is nothing extremely unusual with numerous hot spots and numerous cool spots as we ALWAYS see around the planet. 

In the Summer ALL the reporters go to the hot spots to report the weather.  Right now, the biggest one is on top the entire Midwest. This is is only our 2nd heat wave of the entire Summer, here in Indiana. The temp had been below normal overall this Summer……very pleasant,  until the last few days which will last thru this week. 

 You remember when all the reporters went to Phoenix in July to report on their record heat from natural variation?

Outside of that heat wave, the Summer in Phoenix has been COOLER THAN AVERAGE!


The reason that young people care so much about the fake climate crisis is that they've been indoctrinated  into climate religion!!!

How could they possibly know anything different?

If you had a kid and kept them at home their entire life and taught them that a cat is called "dog"  and a dog is called "cat" and only showed them information that told them the same thing..........the kid would be convinced to think that dogs go "meow" and cats go "woof woof"

But its MUCH worse than that.

The name of animals is a different word in each language and those are just words.

What we have done is a crime to humanity and our children. We have stolen their intelligence and taught them junk science and lies about the beneficial CO2 and the current climate optimum for most life on this massively greening planet with its booming biosphere.

Warmest temperature in..........1,000 years, since the Medieval Warm Period NOT hottest in 125,000 years.

Plant growth and food production +26% just from the added CO2.

                Poisoning the minds of young people            

                          Started by metmike - Aug. 14, 2023, 8:45 p.m.    

Wonderful CLIMATE OPTIMUM For Growing Crops!!


Agree but the problem is that almost EVERY message exaggerates and climate science isn't even science any more.

This includes almost all messages by the media. Almost all messages from mainstream climate scientist's. All messages from one political side and most governments.

The climate science bible which defines mainstream climate science are the junk science IPCC reports.

The UN used the IPCC(INTERGOVERNMENTAL Panel on Climate Change) to hijack climate science:

 Those reports aren't designed to tell us about natural variation and cycles or to tell us 1 benefit from CO2. That would be objective, HONEST science. Their sole purpose is to show the human fingerprint and tell governments what actions need to be taken using money. That is NOT science, it's corrupt politics!

By metmike - Aug. 26, 2023, 12:33 p.m.
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I liked this R based on only knowing a few things about her position and not looking closer. During the debate, her speech about Ukraine was a wake up call. "Putin is a thug and the US is the world's police and we need to take him out,  no matter the cost" bs war propaganda.

Willing to sacrifice 500,000+ human beings (and counting, with no serious discussion to stress negotiations/peace) and a country in order to do it, while absurdly pretending that we are doing it for that country. Does this make sense???

They want to destroy Russia/Putin NOT help Ukraine. They are absolutely USING Ukraine to accomplish their objective, with the US military industrial complex sponsoring and getting rich off of it.

They are using Ukraine as long as they can, exhausting the Ukraine army, which is getting killed off to weaken the Russian army. They are using the war to vilify Putin, impose sanctions and try to get the world to alienate him. This has backfired badly as numerous countries in the world, see what we're up to and are BACKING Putin, including China.

We've forced a strengthening Russian+ China alliance. We've caused the Middle East to make oil cuts to support Putin. We've caused global inflation, which is absolutely crushing the world's poor, especially Africa.

How ironic, that Haley told Vivek during the noteworthy foreign policy exchange where she looked strong and him weak, that he didn't understand anything about foreign policy.

For Ukraine, who needs enemies when you have so called friends that do this to you because of their political agenda.


As Nikki Haley Resigns, Critics Forced to Clarify That "Pro-War, Pro-Imperialist" Sycophant for Trump Is No "Moderate"

  Oct 09, 2018

By metmike - Aug. 27, 2023, 10:51 a.m.
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Some Concerns about the Recent Republican Debate



                Reply to             John the Econ        

        August 26, 2023 8:41 pm


Same. His foreign policy is radical. But Ukraine seems to be holding its own against Russia. I want to see this end. I want to see Dessler and Mann cry in desperation on Twitter as their grant money disappears and actual science returns. This has gone on too long. Vivek could be our last shot. Trump would’ve been a good choice, but he shot himself in the foot with the January 6 insurrection.

    Pat Frank              


                Reply to             Walter        

        August 26, 2023 9:08 pm


the January 6 insurrection.

Talk about propaganda kool-aid.


    Mike Maguire

                                Reply to             Pat Frank        

        August 27, 2023 7:45 am


People will believe messages that line up with what they want to believe.

The planet is PROVEN to be  greening up from the role of a beneficial gas in the indisputable law of photosynthesis and people want to believe in messages that tell them how to think if we have any chance to save the planet.
Who could be against saving the planet?

For 2 months, Trump tried to overturn the most PROVEN secure presidential election in history, including the use of diabolical, illegal schemes.
A clear violation of the Constitution and treasonous by all objective standards. Regardless of whether they can get a conviction, anybody that denies the blatantly clear evidence is just denying it because of what they “want to believe”.

I supported most of Trump’s agenda, especially with regards to energy/climate.

However, sincerely applying the scientific method in ALL realms, means letting the objective facts determine conclusions. Not the ones that tell us what we want to be true.
It means NOT being part of a tribe or ideology that has a belief system based on politics.
It means using critical thinking ALL the time, not just vetting and scrutinizing news items that we DON’T want to believe and giving a free pass to items that we want to believe or that define our tribe’s ideology.

It means having the humility to see flaws in information that tells us what we want to believe and enough honestly to adjust our thinking so that it lines up with authentic truths.
ALL the time, not just when it serves a purpose!


After getting bashed from the Trump cult at this site:

    Mike Maguire           

                Reply to             Mike Maguire        

        August 27, 2023 12:49 pm


I figured that post would not be well received.

With respect to the facts, unlike using ONLY those that you get from tuning into the sources that tell you the news that you WANT to hear/read, I did my own objective, comprehensive, INDEPENDENT search, using many hundreds of hours of time and communicated at these 3 dozen threads(just a partial list) at my forum. This compilation doesn’t even include much on his most diabolical scheme to use fake electors.

Election night fraud

Despite wanting Trump to win and be innocent, every authentic fact shows otherwise.

I did the same thing to determine authentic science about the COVID vaccination (being a scientist was helpful):

 COVID vaxx DISinformation/information compilation

In case you think I affiliate with 1 political side and am biased, I did the same thing to bust the blatantly  corrupt Mueller investigation which was truly a “Witch Hunt” exactly as President Trump claimed which included collusion by the DOJ, MSM and Dems to destroy the legitimacy of Trump’s 2016 election win and to  destroy Donald Trump.

Re: Re: Durham’s final report

On all of those topics above as well as most others, people have already decided what they want to believe and only go to sources that interpret the world to line up with our confirmation bias.

This is actually my FAVORITE site because it represents more authentic truth/science on the fake climate crisis than any other X 10.

However, it’s not always easy for me to intentionally go to numerous other sites/sources that state things that disagree with me (as a meteorologist for over 4 decades) to try to understand where they are coming from.

But you have to do it to:

  1. Truly understand what their position is and why they have it. Some of them are brilliant people. Some of them have good points.
  2. Be able to understand better why you are right and they are wrong but most importantly, why they might be right about something(s), which mean you might be wrong.
  3. Most importantly, to gain objective discernment that incorporates sincere adjustments to IMPROVE on your position. If the science really is not settled, then this mentality is the key to learning what is not known today.
  4. What are the chances that what you think that you know today is 100% indisputable truth and authentic fact?  Whatever portion of that which is wrong, will be wrong forever if you’ve decided it is right and intentionally, only go to sources that tell you it’s right.
By metmike - Aug. 27, 2023, 11:18 p.m.
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Ron DeSantis, governor of FL,  just took a lead for my vote in the next election.  I actually like Vivek for a similar reason along with him seeing the truth about the war in Ukraine but his claim that Donald Trump was the greatest president in history and he will pardon him on day 1 is almost impossible for me to get past.....but there will never be a perfect candidate.

I'm really not voting for the candidate that matches my personal views as much as the one that will be best for our country and our world.

1. Preserving our democracy.

2. Ending the unjustifiable war in Ukraine ASAP!

3. Preserving the wonderful energy delivery system which is the lifeblood for almost every developed country. Fake green energy will KILL the U.S. economy, the same way that it's killing economies like in Germany. 

4. Educating our children/adults with the truth, whether its about climate science, energy, COVID (vaccinations),  elections or other realms.

5. Revamping the DOJ to get rid of blatant corruption which defines them

6. Aggressively reducing wasteful government spending in hopes that it's not too late.

7. Not vote for either Trump or Biden if  either one of them are on the ticket. The 2 people that represent the worst presidents in history by an extremely wide margin but are both leading their party for 2024. That shows how bad it is and things may  get worse between now and Nov. 2024 with the exception of the likelihood that both of these people will be replaced. Biden because he can't do it mentally even with his horrible agenda. Trump because he can't do it legally. However they may be setting a trap by intentionally not having the trials until AFTER the election(knowing Trump can delay them) which guarantees NOT Donald Trump will win the presidential election for the 2nd time in a row.

I'll move this to the thread discussion on the R debate.


By metmike - Sept. 28, 2023, 7:32 a.m.
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Any comments on last night's 2nd R debate?

6 key takeaways from the second Republican debate of 2023

Trump's chief rival, Ron DeSantis, took the "missing in action" former president to task for skipping another debate and for attacking Florida's six-week abortion ban.

The 5 biggest moments from the second Republican debate

Nikki Haley went on offense against several rivals, including Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswamy. And DeSantis and Chris Christie repeatedly went after Trump.      


      Takeaways from the second Republican presidential debate