The Big Lie
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Started by joj - Sept. 9, 2023, 10:06 a.m.

There is so much rich content in this long article.

"Belief is always predicated on usefulness.  And useless beliefs do not survive".

"It was easier to dislodge untruths before social media.  In social media, people tend to take public positions. When that position turns out to be wrong, it's embarrassing. And backing down is typically seen as a weakness. So they double-down on untrue claims to save face and personal credibility."

"We are way too emotionally attached to being right. It would be better for our culture as a whole to value uncertainty, intellectual humility, and curiosity. Those values help us ask questions without the expectation of permanent answers."

The life of a big lie requires repetition.

Hitler's big lie was that the German military didn't actually lose the war.  (They did).   

Much more.....

Re: The Big Lie
By mcfarm - Sept. 9, 2023, 11:16 a.m.
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uncertainity,,,,,Russia, Russia Russia...The FBI the DOJ Fauci WHo Wuhan..The fisa court, Barissma The boarder Comey struck page "51 national security experts"   wow where in the heck was the humility, the open discussion. They were so certain they actually colluded to shut down first amendment rights with social media weekly meetings and yet the dark ness still clouds

Re: The Big Lie
By metmike - Sept. 9, 2023, 11:17 a.m.
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Another wonderful, insightful post/article worth "post of the week" on MarketForum.

I will stress 2 things to those already mentioned in the article that relate to The Big Lie about the 2020 election.

1. The lie must always be something that believers want to be true

2. A huge key to making The Big Lie believable was the completely corrupt Mueller investigation that was entirely intended to discredit Trump and his win in 2016. That really happened and Rs know it as well as people who aren't Rs but instead,  objective using facts. 

The Mueller Witch Hunt, totally set the mentality for Trump to exploit his victim status by claiming his crimes were just the same sources, doing what we know they did before. This really does make it very plausible because if something happened before, why can't it happen again from the same people? 

So the DOJ is very much part of the problem here.

Throw in them protecting the Biden's, which we know with certainty happened and it makes them look even more guilty of playing biased politics in the way they handle Trump compared to the Biden's.

So, if you are an R that knows the DOJ did this stuff, who will you believe?

The DOJ?

That makes it easy to believe Trump, who exploits this dynamic to twist his crimes using absurd rational of being protected by the First Amendment.

It boils down to who do you want to believe as an R?

The blatantly corrupt and biased DOJ?

Or the guy telling you everything that you want to hear?

By metmike - Sept. 9, 2023, 11:40 a.m.
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Thanks, mcfarm!

I was finishing typing when you confirmed the #2 in my post exactly.

Most people don't selectively pick what they think is good from the 2 parties and reject what they think is bad. 

If you belong to a party, you are in a tribe that accepts most of the ideology and the people in that party using you for their agenda.

That's just the way it is with these polarized, toxic politics. 

Ds and objective people that use facts about the Big Lie can clearly see how crazy it is to believe anything so outrageous that completely contradicts ALL the compelling evidence.

However, Ds also believe the absurd BS from Mueller and that Witch Hunt.

If their eyes were opened to see all that blatant corruption used to try to destroy Trump, they might be able to understand the R mindset.

Sadly, the Rs are a lost cause on Trump.  Their brains had already been captured BEFORE the Mueller Witch Hunt and those 2.5 years of DOJ hogwash to get Trump were just powerful evidence to reinforce the brainwash so that it applies in this the most extremely absurd circumstances........and here we are )-:

Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters