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Started by metmike - Sept. 15, 2023, 10:35 p.m.

We should not choose to fight a war with China if they invade Taiwan

Others argue we must fight, even if we don’t want to, because the catastrophic cost to the global economy if China attacks (especially in terms of semiconductors) would devastate the U.S. economy. What those advocates fail to recognize, however, is that the impact to the world economy is baked in when the first Chinese missile strikes the island or the first Chinese soldier invades. From that point forward, there will be no changing the harmful economic impact. What we must avoid at all costs, however, is deeply compounding that cost to America by also choosing to engage in a war that would cripple our Air Force and Navy.

 By refusing to be drawn into a war with China in an otherwise horrible situation, the United States would have an enormous power advantage over China. The American military would still be unharmed and at full strength, while the People’s Liberation Army would be severely degraded by any attempt to penetrate Taiwan’s defenses. It could take China more than a decade to recover from its losses. We would have the unchallenged upper hand, both regionally as well as globally. Our national security would remain fully within our ability to guarantee. 

Choosing to allow righteous anger to drive our response — which many Americans would understandably feel if China attacked Taiwan — could plunge us into a war that would, in the best case, severely diminish our ability to defend our country. In the worst case, it could lead to a nuclear exchange in which entire American cities could be wiped out. 

As much as we would hate to see China capture Taiwan, nothing on that island is worth risking America’s entire national security. 

Daniel L. Davis is a Senior Fellow for Defense Priorities and a former Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army who deployed into combat zones four times. He is the author of “The Eleventh Hour in 2020 America.” Follow him @DanielLDavis1.


I agree strongly with these views! The risk/reward is extremely distorted to the risk side But not just risk. The REALITY   of the consequences that would happen for sure outweigh all potential benefits by a wide margin.

However, the Military/Industrial complex has been controlling our extremely bad foreign policy decisions for decades and the our war with Russia, using Ukraine is just another example of how everything goes wrong and nothing right when that happens. We've already driven North Korea and China to align with Russia (as well as numerous other countries leaning that way) because of the worst foreign policy in history. An additional war with China would be  political and economic suicide and could be the permanent demise of the United States from its position of global power in several categories.

By metmike - Sept. 15, 2023, 10:46 p.m.
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China Proposes Fantasy Alternative to Major War With Taiwan


The newly unveiled plan, aimed at achieving “complete reunification” with Taiwan, has already been slammed as “ridiculous.”


Regardless of how absurd this might be to many or what WE want, using our military to get into, yet another quagmire on the other side of the planet would be idiotic and  show we've  still not learned a thing, even with a dozen MAJOR lessons teaching us to STOP doing this.

American imperialism

Enlargement of NATO-below


American Imperialism and the Crisis in Ukraine

By metmike - Sept. 15, 2023, 11:03 p.m.
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This bs has got to stop!

Mapping U.S. Imperialism

U.S. imperialism is the greatest threat to life on the planet, a force of ecological devastation and disaster impacting not only human beings, but also our non-human relatives. How can we organize to dismantle the vast and complicated network of U.S. imperialism which includes U.S. war and militarism, CIA intervention, U.S. weapons/technology/surveillance corporations, political and economic support for dictatorships, military juntas, death squads and U.S. trained global police forces favorable to U.S. geopolitical interests, U.S. imposed sanctions, so-called “humanitarian interventions,” genetically modified grassroots organizations, corporate media’s manipulation of spontaneous protest, and U.S. corporate sponsorship of political repression and regime change favorable to U.S. corporate interests?

This article deals with U.S. imperialism since World War 2. It is critical to acknowledge that U.S. imperialism emanates both ideologically and materially from the crime of colonialism on this continent which has killed over 100 million indigenous people and approximately 150 million African people over the past 500 years.

The exact death toll of U.S. imperialism is both staggering and impossible to know. What we do know is that since World War 2, U.S. imperialism has killed at least 36 million people globally in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, the Congo, Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, Chad, Libya, East Timor, Grenada, Honduras, Iran, Pakistan, Panama, the Philippines, Sudan, Greece, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo, Somalia, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Palestine (see Appendix).

This list does not include other aspects of U.S. imperialist aggression which have had a devastating and lasting impact on communities worldwide, including torture, imprisonment, rape, and the ecological devastation wrought by the U.S. military through atomic bombs, toxic waste and untreated sewage dumping by over 750 military bases in over 80 countries. The U.S. Department of Defense consumes more petroleum than any institution in the world. In the year of 2017 alone, the U.S. military emitted 59 million metric tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, a carbon footprint greater than that of most nations worldwide. This list also does not include the impact of U.S. fossil fuel consumption and U.S. corporate fossil fuel extraction, fracking, agribusiness, mining, and mono-cropping, all of which are part and parcel of the extractive economy of U.S. imperialism.

Appendix: The Death Toll of U.S. Imperialism Since World War 2

  • Afghanistan: at least 176,000 people
  • Bosnia: 20,000 to 30,000 people
  • Bosnia and Krajina: 250,000 people
  • Cambodia: 2-3 million people
  • Chad: 40,000 people and as many as 200,000 tortured
  • Chile: 10,000 people (the U.S. sponsored Pinochet coup in Chile)
  • Colombia: 60,000 people
  • Congo: 10 million people (Belgian imperialism supported by U.S. corporations and the U.S. sponsored assassination of Patrice Lumumba)
  • Croatia: 15,000 people
  • Cuba: 1,800 people
  • Dominican Republic: at least 3,000 people
  • East Timor: 200,000 people
  • El Salvador: More than 75,000 people (U.S. support of the Salvadoran oligarchy and death squads)
  • Greece: More than 50,000 people
  • Grenada: 277 people
  • Guatemala: 140,000 to 200,000 people killed or forcefully disappeared (U.S. support of the Guatemalan junta)
  • Haiti: 100,000 people
  • Honduras: hundreds of people (CIA supported Battalion kidnapped, tortured and killed at least 316 people)
  • Indonesia: Estimates of 500,000 to 3 million people
  • Iran: 262,000 people
  • Iraq: 2.4 million people in Iraq war, 576, 000 Iraqi children by U.S. sanctions, and over 100,000 people in Gulf War
  • Japan: 2.6-3.1 million people
  • Korea: 5 million people
  • Kosovo: 500 to 5,000
  • Laos: 50,000 people
  • Libya: at least 2500 people
  • Nicaragua: at least 30,000 people (U.S. backed Contras’ destabilization of the Sandinista government in Nicaragua)
  • Operation Condor: at least 10,000 people (By governments of Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Brazil, Ecuador, and Peru. U.S. govt/CIA coordinated training on torture, technical support, and supplied military aid to the Juntas)
  • Pakistan: at least 1.5 million people
  • Palestine: estimated more than 200,000 people killed by military but this does not include death from blockade/siege/settler violence
  • Panama: between 500 and 4000 people
  • Philippines: over 100,000 people executed or disappeared
  • Puerto Rico: 4,645-8,000 people
  • Somalia: at least 2,000 people
  • Sudan: 2 million people
  • Syria: at least 350,000 people
  • Vietnam: 3 million people
  • Yemen: over 377,000 people
  • Yugoslavia: 107,000 people


This doesn't even count the 500,000+ dead in Ukraine because of our war with Russia, using Ukrainians to fight it.

You might wonder how in tarnation Americans put up with the decades of American sponsored atrocities around the world??? Our tax dollars and the U.S. Military- Industrial complex is responsible for most of this.

WAR PROPAGANDA! DISinformation about all these situations to justify our relentless Imperialism! Ukraine is just the latest one.

Tawian cannot be the next one.

By metmike - Sept. 15, 2023, 11:15 p.m.
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China sees ‘Cold War mentality’ in US-Vietnam pact, Vietnamese disagree

Pulled in opposite directions by Washington and Beijing, everyday Vietnamese people say staying neutral is best

By metmike - Sept. 16, 2023, 8:58 p.m.
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Analysis-Upheavals in Xi's World Spread Concern About China's Diplomacy

September 16, 2023

As Xi, China's commander-in-chief has focused inward, he caused concern among foreign diplomats this month by missing a Group of 20 summit in India, the first time he has skipped the global leaders' gathering in his decade in power.  Faced with the growing uncertainties, some diplomats and analysts are calling for a hard look at the true nature of Xi's regime.


China, India set to snub Cop27 leaders’ climate summit

Missing those meetings was an extremely profound BAD signal coming from China. Their objectives are going in the opposite direction of ours. The jaw dropping ignorant foreign policy of the United States has forced Russia, China, North Korea, all adversaries (and others) to bond together.

But the main problem is China by a huge margin.

I'm not making a case below, that China's massively increasing CO2 emissions are harming the planet. Just the opposite because CO2 is a beneficial gas.

The profound point is that China KNOWS that  we are full of shist and is totally ignoring it for the best interest of their country. Their leader is not fooled like Americans about the fake climate crisis or war in Ukraine. He sees our government bamboozling Americans and West with completely fraudulent principles based on junk science and propaganda. .....because that's exactly what we are doing in OUR VERY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT(POLITICIANS). While at the same time, our propaganda vilifies China for their atrocities.

This is the recipe for creating an adversary, NOT creating a mutually respectful friendship/agreements. It's the United States causing most of this NOT China!

Specifically, its the catastrophically, worst foreign policy in the history of our country with this current administration which is responsible for most of this.

Including the fact that before Biden took over, the chance of nuclear war was near 0. Now, we have elevated, significant odds of nuclear war that could even start by accident and a president that refuses to consider negotiating. Only an endless ground war, using Ukrainians/Ukraine and our weapons to weaken Putin......all he cares about.  

We are struggling with our war with Russia on the other side of the world. What will happen if China does what looks increasingly likely……on the other side of the world??

 We've just gifted China with  the perfect opportunity to take control of Tawian because of our blunderous foreign policy(s) and zero credibility/respect earned from China.

I‘m not pro Russia or pro China. Their leaders and government are horrible. But we can’t control the entire world.

We should, instead focus our attention on cleaning up our own blatant corruption and extremely flawed leadership and stop with the audacity  and hypocrisy of  trying to impose our bs on other countries.

China’s new coal power spree continues as more provinces jump on the bandwagon

"joe Biden did nothing wrong, the Rs are just being political"

"joe Biden did nothing wrong, the Rs are just being political"

By metmike - Sept. 25, 2023, 7:40 a.m.
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The Pentagon Is Freaking Out About a Potential War With China

(Because America might lose.)

Michael Hirsh is the former foreign editor and chief diplomatic correspondent for Newsweek, and the former national editor for Politico Magazine.


Though I strongly disagree with the mentality of ramping up the Military-Industrial complex even more, there are some solid points in this article.

1. We've tapped out a lot of our military weapons capability with our lost war in Russia, using Ukraine and Ukrainians to fight it......intended to weaken Russia but also weakening the United States. 

2. Now, the United States is less capable of defending itself for a LEGIT reason.  The military-industrial complex had been making weapons FOR UKRAINE, that has included draining our stockpiles for defense or for other reasons.

3. Let's be brutally honest here. The US cannot win a war with China. China knows this. Looks at the logistics/geography and military size. It's on THEIR side of the planet and they have the strong historically motivated, regional reason to fight the war which makes them greatly inspired to use the massive Chines army with causulties.  

4. China has 3 times as many people and a much larger military. In fact, North Korea's military is almost the size of ours. China's military is 10 times the size of Taiwan's.

5. What country will be more willing to support using it's soldiers and having casualties to fight in a direct conflict between the U.S. and China?  The choices are: 1. China and 2. NOT the United States.  What sort of propaganda do you think they could drum up for a country getting extremely tired of our losing war in Ukraine, WITHOUT our generate support of another war, this time with our soldiers.

6. We lost the war in Ukraine, even though 500,000 human beings have died in that war already, the propaganda trying to hold on to support for the lost war, just won't die. With Biden making loose cannon, loser decisions every step of the way, including flushing billions more down the toilet in the last few days, China KNOWS that they will be far superior in war strategies because it just witnessed the worst war strategy in history by the United States and NATO.

7. The propaganda tells us that our war in Ukraine to weaken Russia is a deterrent for China because they will fear the same thing will happen them in Taiwan. What? That the US will also blunder catastrophically with judgment challenged leaders over there too?  The war in Uraine DID weaken Russia as intended but it also greatly weakened the United States.  Not just weapons weakening. Our citizens are quickly shifting their support for the LOSING war in Ukraine. In what future world, could this possibly provide new propaganda to support a new war in Taiwan? 

8. China's smart leader is watching our support for the war in Ukraine get lower and lower and lower. The lower it goes, the stronger his position is to take over Taiwan. Most people  in our country will not, suddenly reverse course to support  a new war on the other side of the planet for the exact same reasoning as the current quagmire that has no end.......and people shouting louder about negotiating peace. 

9. Note below on the map, that 3 of our biggest military adversaries, Russia, China and North Korea have been forced into forming pacts BECAUSE OF our completely thoughtless, war in Ukraine, That war has resulted in 1 million times the negative consequences compared to what could have been gained if we had the chance to win(Ukraine joining NATO). Make that 1 billion+ times more losses compared to just negotiating from the get go and telling Russia that Ukraine will not join NATO.  1.5 years too late for that now. This was entirely preventable BEFORE Russia invaded, then early on in the invasion. The U.S. military leaders in cahoots with psychopath Zelensky are making buffoons out of themselves. Only the war propaganda is tricking you to think otherwise. China knows that he is dealing with buffoons. Make no mistake, buffoons with superior weapons(that they are idiotically drawing down) and convincing propagda but leaders that he KNOWS he can out strategize on the battle field. 

10. The question much longer for negotiating for peace(just a matter of time as Ukraine's army is half killed or permamently disabled) and how much land will Ukraine need to give up (which it didn't need to give up before Biden cut off negotiations before the war)

Military Size by Country

Taiwan Is Extending Conscription. Here’s How Its Military Compares to Other Countries


Active personnel: 169,000
Reservists: around 1,660,000
Combat-capable aircraft: 474
Most recently available defense budget: $19 billion (2023)                  


Active personnel: 2,035,000
Reservists: around 510,000
Combat-capable aircraft: 2,921
Defense budget: $230 billion (2022)                  

Considered the biggest threat to Taiwan, China’s opaque People’s Liberation Army (PLA) underwent a major restructuring in 2015 and is on its way to meet self-imposed modernization goals by 2035. A 1984 law requires males over 18 years old to register for two-year military service, but conscription has never been enforced due to high volunteerism.  

By metmike - Sept. 25, 2023, 8:25 a.m.
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I'm not saying that China will invade Taiwan. Maybe they won't but probably they will as their chances for success continue to go up. 

I am saying, however with 99% certainty that the U.S. cannot win a war with China in/over Taiwan.

I am saying with 99.99% certainty that China will not take over Taiwan unless President XI is absolutely convinced that he will prevail. Almost every dynamic supports China winning.

Does he want to suffer the negatives?

Are they worth the positives he hopes to achieve by winning a war in Taiwan?

A war in Taiwan has almost all negatives for the United States, some potentially cataclysmic, especially with current leadership unable to war strategize their way out of a paper bag when it comes to judgment )-:

Chinese President Xi outlines vision for his nation’s role in the world

    Xi Jinping (through translator):           
    Resolving the Taiwan issue is a matter for the Chinese, a matter that must be resolved by us Chinese people. We will continue to strive for a peaceful reunification with the greatest sincerity and the utmost effort.
    But we will never promise to renounce the use of force. And we reserve the option of taking all measures necessary. This is directed only at interference by outside forces and the few separatists who seek Taiwan independence with their separatist activities.                  

Chinese Military Reforms in the Age of Xi Jinping:
Drivers, Challenges, and Implications

By metmike - Oct. 16, 2023, midnight
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The Biden administration's energy(fake climate crisis), southern border and foreign policy moves have been catastrophic for the United States!!!

Our extremely counter productive war with Russia, using Ukraine/Ukrainians has driven adversaries to form alliances with each other AGAINST the U.S.

Instead of seeking peace and mutual agreements with them that would benefit both countries, we've done the 100% opposite.

In addition to global inflation from energy and food supply disruptions, 500,000 dead and 9 million displaced. Ironically gushing out massive CO2 emissions that Biden claims are killing the planet.

His anti environmental wind and solar power, forced on the markets by his inflation CAUSING act are what's wrecking/killing the planet even as he kills real human beings in Ukraine. 

Catastrophic blunders one after the other.

Putin to Visit China to Deepen 'No Limits' Partnership With Xi

And this guy is running for reelection???

The myth of affordable green energy is over 

By metmike - Oct. 16, 2023, 12:18 a.m.
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    The China-Russia Axis Takes Shape

The bond has been decades in the making, but Russia’s war in Ukraine has tightened their embrace.

Russia, China sign new agreements, defying Western criticism

North Korea, Russia and China: The Developing Trilateral Imperialist Partnership

The Perils of a Renewed North Korea-Russia Relationship

Alone together: How the war in Ukraine shapes the Russian-Iranian relationship

  • The war in Ukraine has led to unprecedented levels of Russian-Iranian cooperation in the military, economic, and political spheres.
  • The rise of anti-Western hardliners in both Moscow and Tehran mean that this cooperation is likely to continue and intensify, despite the differences between them.
  • The new relationship between Russia and Iran is a direct threat to the EU and European countries. Russian-Iranian cooperation could prolong the war in Ukraine, increase Iranian capacity to advance its nuclear programme, de-stabilise the Middle East, and undermine Western influence in institutions of global governance.
  • ++++++++++++

Syrian-Russian Alliance Forces Have Committed Violations that Constitute Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Through Unlawful Attacks Against Northwestern Syria

Syria, a close Russia ally, breaks diplomatic ties with Ukraine

The Syrian foreign ministry says its decision to break with Kyiv was in accordance to the ‘principle of reciprocity’.

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For now, the immediate future of Russia-India relations looks highly promising

By 12345 - Oct. 16, 2023, 1:02 a.m.
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By metmike - Oct. 16, 2023, 9:54 a.m.
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It's unfolding before our eyes, while the propaganda tries to convince us of manufactured realities!

By metmike - Oct. 17, 2023, 8:24 a.m.
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The United State is entirely responsible for driving this coalition of our adversaries.

The same thing has already existed in the Middle East for a century with Israels enemies. 

We should support Israel for several good reasons but are already over extended because of the most blunderous foreign policies in US history. 

Israel support =YES

Ukraine =GET the !@@## out of there and agree with Russia that Ukraine will not become part of NATO!!!

What will happen when China exercises an increasing control over Taiwan?

US can ‘certainly’ afford to provide military aid to Israel, Ukraine: Yellen


Words from the worst Treasuring Secretary in US history.

What happens when Taiwan needs support too?

100+ billion flushed down the toilet in Ukraine(to kill half a million people and decimate Ukraine, unite our adversaries against us, cause global inflation and destabilize the world with a risk of nuclear weapons too)

Also  to draw down our weapons and support,  wasted that could have been spent on PRODUCTIVE endeavors or to DESERVING allies, like Israel(Ukraine and Zelensky are extremely corrupt) and the Biden family being enriched by millions of corrupt Ukraine money has absolutely influenced his catastrophically horrible decisions there.

By metmike - Oct. 24, 2023, 1:39 a.m.
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We now have Russia, China, North Korea, possibly Brazil and many of  the Arab countries in the Middle East taking sides against us.

Guess what side India will take?

The other Muslim countries?

The world Muslim population, currently is up to 2,000,000,000


Countries With The Largest Muslim Populations


 2015 Muslim Population% of Country that is Muslim% of World's Muslim Population

Russia, China, Brazil and the Middle East  are all trying get a cease fire and resumption of basic supplies to Gaza which have been cut off by Israel for over 2 weeks.

Guess what the U.S. did?

They blocked the UN resolution calling for helping Gaza, then introduced their own resolution to give the stamp of approval to Israel for committing these horrible war crimes on 2 million people, half being children. Calling this  ISRAEL DEFENDING ITSELF!

Who is good and who is evil right now?

The opposite of what we've been led to believe.